He met with a foreign national for opposition research in clear violation of the law with knowledge beforehand. Sounds like someone is about to get a pardon.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Are you referring to his meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya? Yep, illegal as hell. The dude is another Hitler, traitor, racist and Stalin. But, I am guessing he beats the rap. But, then again, maybe Flynn is still squealing and something will come of this.

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Everyone knows that the whole trump crew is guilty.

Trump fans just don't care.

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Cole they do care they just lie as first nature right now like their ignorant leader

The reality is that we don't care what progs and their agents say. Let's face it, you guys haven't exactly been proven the beacons of truth lately. You guys and many others have been predicting bad things since November 9, 2017. none of it has happened. Krugman predicted that the stock market would tank and never recover. Needless to say, the opposite happened. All sorts of people predicted nuclear war with N. Korea. Must have missed that. Impeachment? Ha, not even close. Our very own Hapdigital confidently proclaimed in May of 2017 that Flynn was squealing and that a grand jury had made Trump the main suspect. "Trump was going down." Remember that? No, can't say we have any reason to believe anything you fellows say. Y'all might acquaint yourselves with the story of the boy who cried wolf.

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LOL yeah it should take 6 months.. no wonder you're in maritime law

Shoot as many old man loads as you can now.. the Trumpgasm is coming to a close



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One thing hasn't changed and that's the trump defense: Trump is either too stupid to know that what he did was a crime or its someone else's fault. Donnie Jr. is now checking off all of the boxes for the elements of a criminal violation. His daddy thinks his wonderful son should be excused for his "opposition research" because everyone does it and his non politician son simply didn't intend to break the law he broke because he's not used to reading laws or understanding them.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Huh, Cohen said Trump knew all about the Russian meeting and even has concerns that his son might have broken the law. So Trumpablo, you appear to be wrong again.

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You are a criminal lawyer and, therefore, the forum expert on this matter. Give us a cite to the law he broke by virtue of meeting with a Russian who said she was going to provide dirt on Clinton.

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Edited: 08/10/2018 at 06:41 AM by tpapablo

Here you are

1 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).
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§ 110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals ( 52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).
(a)Definitions. For purposes of this section, the following definitions apply:
(1)Disbursement has the same meaning as in 11 CFR 300.2(d).
(2)Donation has the same meaning as in 11 CFR 300.2(e).
(3)Foreign national means -
(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or
(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,
(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).
(4)Knowingly means that a person must:
(i) Have actual knowledge that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national;
(ii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that there is a substantial probability that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national; or
(iii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national, but the person failed to conduct a reasonable inquiry.
(5) For purposes of paragraph (a)(4) of this section, pertinent facts include, but are not limited to:
(i) The contributor or donor uses a foreign passport or passport number for identification purposes;
(ii) The contributor or donor provides a foreign address;
(iii) The contributor or donor makes a contribution or donation by means of a check or other written instrument drawn on a foreign bank or by a wire transfer from a foreign bank; or
(iv) The contributor or donor resides abroad.
(6)Solicit has the same meaning as in 11 CFR 300.2(m).
(7)Safe Harbor. For purposes of paragraph (a)(4)(iii) of this section, a person shall be deemed to have conducted a reasonable inquiry if he or she seeks and obtains copies of current and valid U.S. passport papers for U.S. citizens who are contributors or donors described in paragraphs (a)(5)(i) through (iv) of this section. No person may rely on this safe harbor if he or she has actual knowledge that the source of the funds solicited, accepted, or received is a foreign national.
(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
(c)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals to political committees and organizations of political parties. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or donation to:
(1) A political committee of a political party, including a national party committee, a national congressional campaign committee, or a State, district, or local party committee, including a non-Federal account of a State, district, or local party committee, or
(2) An organization of a political party whether or not the organization is a political committee under 11 CFR 100.5.
(d)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals for office buildings. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party for the purchase or construction of an office building. See 11 CFR 300.10 and 300.35.
(e)Disbursements by foreign nationals for electioneering communications. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make any disbursement for an electioneering communication as defined in 11 CFR 100.29.
(f)Expenditures, independent expenditures, or disbursements by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.
(h)Providing substantial assistance.
(1) No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance, or receipt of a contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d), and (g) of this section.
(2) No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making of an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement prohibited by paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section.
(i)Participation by foreign nationals in decisions involving election-related activities. A foreign national shall not direct, dictate, control, or directly or indirectly participate in the decision-making process of any person, such as a corporation, labor organization, political committee, or political organization with regard to such person's Federal or non-Federal election-related activities, such as decisions concerning the making of contributions, donations, expenditures, or disbursements in connection with elections for any Federal, State, or local office or decisions concerning the administration of a political committee.
(j)Donations by foreign nationals to inaugural committees. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a donation to an inaugural committee, as defined in 11 CFR 104.21(a)(1). No person shall knowingly accept from a foreign national any donation to an inaugural committee.

It would seem that the Donnie Jr, by his own words "if what you say is true I love it" combined with the email it was from a Russian, you have the elements of a prima facie case.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

So you are contending that 'contributions" or "a thing of value" would include information? Johnnyboy, though I don't do much on the criminal side, I would would whip your ass seven ways from Sunday in a trial on that case. I doubt, however, any prosecutor would subject him or herself to the embarrassment of bringing a obviously ridiculous charge like that. Once again, fellows, you are out of luck. Trump is staying put for at least another 2 years. Better go back to fantasizing about the 25th Amendment.

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They need to drag Donnie Jr's stuff out till Trump leaves office.

I don't mind waiting until Trump can't pardon anymore.

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This is more PDSpablo's area of expertise, but longtime Trump lawyer Barry Zuckerkorn had advised Donny Jr to "take to the seas" and that would absolve him of all wrongdoing.

Another Trump lawyer, Bob Loblaw, concurred.

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What about perjury? I heard that is not a good thing to do in court. I hate to apply things from one case to life but the Trump Gang seems to believe that it is very common for politicians to get dirt on thier opponents and that going to a hostile foreign government for information is acceptable. Would you think it was plausible that Ronald Reagan went to Idi Amin or Mikhail Gorbachev to get dirt on Walter Mondale?

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Would you think it was plausible that Ronald Reagan went to Idi Amin or Mikhail Gorbachev to get dirt on Walter Mondale?

Very good question! Anyone are to answer?


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Okay...I am truly sorry for asking such hard questions straight out of the gate. Applying logical thinking can be tough for some...even lawyers. So...Let us lower the bar. I am sure you believe that Donald Trump is draining the swamp and putting in qualified lobbyists and reality TV stars and giving them admittance to the most top secret areas of our government. Areas that should be secure from hostile governments who would spy on us. So... What are your thoughts that Omarosa could tape people...even in the situation room. Does this paint a picture of competence? If yes...Give me a few reasons.

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And speaking of security clearance, or lack there of, where are Kushner and Ivanka? Aren't they both lead White House staff?

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If you think opposition research intelligence is not a thing of value, you disagree with the shithead that said "if its what you say, I love it." He knew it came from Russians and he knew it was dirty, which is why he lied for as long as he could. His lies were only stopped when he was forced to admit the incriminating email. That's when Ghoulianni entered and changed the strategy from lying to explaining and claiming either he didn't have intent, he didn't know, its not that big of a deal or nobody cares.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

That's the other aspect of why this is not a criminal offense. By all accounts, no one gave any dirt to anyone at that meeting. And, nobody does care save for a handful of lunatics.

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