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Topic Title: Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach
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Created On: 09/30/2018 06:55 AM
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 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - 3rdworldlover - 09/30/2018 06:55 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 09/30/2018 09:15 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - jdbman - 10/01/2018 03:28 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - scombrid - 09/30/2018 01:08 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - ww - 09/30/2018 03:36 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - surfsail - 09/30/2018 08:12 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - 3rdworldlover - 09/30/2018 09:04 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 10/01/2018 06:19 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Greensleeves - 10/01/2018 08:11 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - tom - 10/01/2018 08:53 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - surfrc - 10/01/2018 09:11 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - tom - 10/01/2018 09:18 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - PUNCH22 - 10/01/2018 11:54 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - ww - 10/01/2018 12:10 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - scombrid - 10/02/2018 06:14 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Central Floridave - 10/01/2018 02:02 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - ww - 10/01/2018 03:22 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - waterlizard25 - 10/02/2018 05:31 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 10/02/2018 06:25 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - scombrid - 10/02/2018 06:40 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - PUNCH22 - 10/02/2018 07:12 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 10/03/2018 06:28 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - PUNCH22 - 10/03/2018 06:58 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Cole - 10/03/2018 07:53 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - PUNCH22 - 10/03/2018 11:38 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - ww - 10/03/2018 11:38 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Waverider969 - 10/03/2018 12:35 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - SurfCaster - 10/03/2018 03:04 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - ww - 10/03/2018 04:06 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 10/02/2018 06:59 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - scombrid - 10/02/2018 07:17 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - PUNCH22 - 10/02/2018 07:22 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/02/2018 07:37 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Plan B - 10/03/2018 05:59 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - 3rdworldlover - 10/04/2018 05:26 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - johnnyboy - 10/04/2018 06:43 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - 3rdworldlover - 10/04/2018 07:10 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - ww - 10/04/2018 08:04 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - CERTON - 10/04/2018 08:09 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - ww - 10/04/2018 12:53 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - johnnyboy - 10/04/2018 10:48 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - surfysurfy - 10/16/2018 09:52 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Greensleeves - 10/04/2018 11:20 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - SurferMic - 10/04/2018 12:45 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - 3rdworldlover - 10/05/2018 10:37 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - boardheads - 10/15/2018 05:10 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Central Floridave - 10/15/2018 06:01 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Cole - 10/16/2018 05:41 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 10/15/2018 06:23 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/16/2018 04:06 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - palmtreeg - 10/16/2018 05:54 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - tom - 10/16/2018 06:04 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/16/2018 06:13 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Plan B - 10/16/2018 06:36 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - hodad66 - 10/16/2018 06:52 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - equipeola - 10/16/2018 08:07 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Plan B - 10/16/2018 08:11 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - palmtreeg - 10/16/2018 08:12 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Greensleeves - 10/16/2018 08:35 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Plan B - 10/16/2018 09:23 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - SpinK - 10/16/2018 04:29 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - dingpatch - 10/16/2018 06:26 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - harrietdubman - 10/17/2018 05:12 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Cole - 10/17/2018 05:57 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/17/2018 05:30 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/17/2018 05:32 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 10/17/2018 06:14 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/17/2018 06:31 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - hodad66 - 10/17/2018 06:40 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/17/2018 06:53 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Big John - 10/17/2018 09:06 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - LaJune - 10/17/2018 09:30 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - tom - 10/17/2018 09:32 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - SurferMic - 10/17/2018 09:55 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 10/17/2018 11:35 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Greensleeves - 10/17/2018 07:09 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Plan B - 10/17/2018 07:37 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - daner - 10/17/2018 09:42 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/17/2018 10:32 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - 426Blue - 10/17/2018 11:34 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/17/2018 11:39 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - seaspray - 10/17/2018 03:42 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Plan B - 10/17/2018 12:00 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/17/2018 03:58 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/17/2018 03:59 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Central Floridave - 10/17/2018 04:04 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - surfmcc32 - 10/17/2018 05:02 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - scombrid - 10/17/2018 05:09 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - rc - 10/17/2018 06:16 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - SoHiGH - 10/17/2018 10:08 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - worksuxgetsponsered - 10/18/2018 09:23 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Quadro - 10/18/2018 10:14 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - scombrid - 10/18/2018 10:24 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - worksuxgetsponsered - 10/18/2018 10:29 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - scombrid - 10/18/2018 10:33 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - SurferMic - 10/18/2018 01:55 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - scombrid - 10/18/2018 10:29 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/18/2018 04:12 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - worksuxgetsponsered - 10/18/2018 06:25 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Greensleeves - 10/19/2018 07:06 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/19/2018 07:15 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Plan B - 10/19/2018 07:19 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/19/2018 08:31 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Greensleeves - 10/19/2018 10:15 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/19/2018 10:23 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - worksuxgetsponsered - 10/19/2018 10:40 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Plan B - 10/19/2018 11:48 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - ww - 10/19/2018 12:34 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - RiddleMe - 10/19/2018 01:15 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/19/2018 10:49 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - Greensleeves - 10/19/2018 11:09 AM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - miker - 10/19/2018 02:07 PM  
 Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach   - equipeola - 10/19/2018 07:50 PM  
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This is a first in my 20+ years of surfing, diving and fishing these waters.

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That is totally fked.

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seaweed + runoff= bad news

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Curious to see if it is actually Karenia brevis. Pictures and video that I have seen so far show water color that is not indicative of red tide. Looks like tons and tons of sargassum rafting in and that stuff stinks when it rots but it isn't red tide toxin. The sargassum plague is another problem that has gotten progressively worse over the last few years and it is probably due to extra carbon dioxide and nitrogen what should be oligotrophic water fueling extra growth. Ocean circulation patterns are probably causing it to pile up in places where it previously did not as well. But it isn't red tide.

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This June story in Science (metered paywall) covers the Caribbean sargassum explosion. Experts are Chuanmin Hu at USF-St Petersburg and Amy Siuda at Eckerd College, also in St Pete.
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Heard from relatives its apparently our of control in the some of Caribbean. .. Saw a pic of a spot we went to a few years ago with it piled up solid at least a few feet high on the beach.. None a few years ago... Made the outbreaks we have been getting lately in brevard look like nothing in comparison.. It's really restricting surfing, esp on the eastern facing beaches... Hopefully it's not coming up our way.. If so - Bad news!

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Seems to be sargassum. It started coming in really thick last weekend. Super thick in Lake Worth today.
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I'm not sure what rock those scientists have been living under but I recall a fair number of times that sargassum has inundated our beaches here on the Treasure Coast. It isn't some new horror produced by our extravagances. Red Tide would be different. I hope I never see that here.

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Well we all remember our bout of red tide here in Brevard. 10 Years ago maybe? Nasty nasty
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Yep. Data from December '07

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We have had red tide in CB sometime in the last 7-8 years.
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My memory tells me there was another bad one in '98-'99 but the record doesn't go that far (starts 2000). Here's a bit from an '02 red tide fish kill news article, New Symrna:
Volusia County Beach Patrol officials said they have not received any reports of health problems to people like they did in 1999, when a red tide bloom around Canaveral National Seashore and Bethune Beach gave swimmers puffy eyes and skin rashes.


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I'm genuinely curious about the skepticism to this being Red Tide. It looks like that skepticism has popped up in this thread as well. In the paper today, the PB lifeguard was writing in marker "possible" between the printed words "BEACH CLOSED" and "RED TIDE." Does it matter if it's really "Red Tide" if it's bad enough to close the beaches and people are getting sick with symptoms consistent with red tide. I know I went out in Jupiter a week ago and I just thought I was out of shape or catching a cold but I never got really sick. Just headaches and coughing for a week+. If it's rotting Sargasso seaweed or injection-well bacteria bubbling up, is that lifeguard going to write on the posted paper "it's actually not Red Tide, its this or that." What's with the doubt? The symptoms are real
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I think some test results might be available late today or tomorrow. Here's where they'll be posted: Florida DEP
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Originally posted by: PUNCH22 I'm genuinely curious about the skepticism to this being Red Tide. It looks like that skepticism has popped up in this thread as well. In the paper today, the PB lifeguard was writing in marker "possible" between the printed words "BEACH CLOSED" and "RED TIDE." Does it matter if it's really "Red Tide" if it's bad enough to close the beaches and people are getting sick with symptoms consistent with red tide. I know I went out in Jupiter a week ago and I just thought I was out of shape or catching a cold but I never got really sick. Just headaches and coughing for a week+. If it's rotting Sargasso seaweed or injection-well bacteria bubbling up, is that lifeguard going to write on the posted paper "it's actually not Red Tide, its this or that." What's with the doubt? The symptoms are real
It matters because different things have different impacts and necessary precautions. As it is, it is red tide according to the tests. The choppy water from all this onshore wind is going to make the aerosols from that crap way worse than when the water is flat calm. Onshore wind plus red tide is a nasty combo.

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If you do a forum search red tide looked pretty bad here in 2007. That stuff does suck.
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FWC press release. Red tide. Low to medium concentrations. The state will take more samples in St. Lucie County.

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I remember October 2007 being at the pier before sunset and the red tide was so thick in the air you could see it and I could not make it down to the water. Eyes on fire and lungs filled with what felt like bugspray(OFF) That shit lingered around for I wanna say a week or two. Havent seen it like that since. A combo of human greed (septic fertilizer lake o runoff) and what I believe to be a natural toxin like this is a recipe for disaster.
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It also matters because red tide is most likely the canary in the cage saying we are adding to much pollution to the ocean. The sargasso seaweed not so much. At least locally.

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The proliferation of sargassum in the carribean and tropical Atlantic since 2011 is unprecedented in the historical record. It is a harbinger of chemical changes too. Kind of like red tide having been around forever but the frequency and duration of blooms increasing.

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Originally posted by: daner It also matters because red tide is most likely the canary in the cage saying we are adding to much pollution to the ocean. The sargasso seaweed not so much. At least locally.
Skepticism can be healthy but the anti-science/anti-expert sentiment that's infiltrated the surf community is really disheartening. As soon as this conversation turns to pollution and our impact on the environment, the "it's a totally natural and reoccurring event" crowd gets going.
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Originally posted by: PUNCH22

Originally posted by: daner

It also matters because red tide is most likely the canary in the cage saying we are adding to much pollution to the ocean. The sargasso seaweed not so much. At least locally.


Skepticism can be healthy but the anti-science/anti-expert sentiment that's infiltrated the surf community is really disheartening. As soon as this conversation turns to pollution and our impact on the environment, the "it's a totally natural and reoccurring event" crowd gets going.


I hope your not implying I am anti science for I am not. Holding a PhD and published dozens of scientific papers and my name being on a couple of US patents for my work I have a healthy respect for it. But science is also not flawless.



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Originally posted by: daner I hope your not implying I am anti science for I am not. Holding a PhD and published dozens of scientific papers and my name being on a couple of US patents for my work I have a healthy respect for it. But science is also not flawless.
Nope, no implication. My apologies if that seemed aimed at you. It wasn't. "UPDATE All Palm Beach County beaches from Lake Worth Beach north to the Martin County line will remain closed on Wednesday. Lifeguards and staff at Palm Beach County beaches reported continued irritation, according to Palm Beach County Public Affairs Department."
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Changing wind patterns are another symptom of climate change. Sargasso has always been there, perhaps a change in wind flow is the cause of the increase along shorelines.

I saw a crap load of baby Triple Tail clinging to it while surfing the other day.

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Lots of dead fish washing up in PBC!
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Dead fish on the beaches in northern Palm Beach County--WPBF. WFTV has video of dead fish.
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how are the conditions in Brevard county? I'm heading up this weekend. Hopefully cleaner and better surf for the weekend
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If it's in PBC now it will be in Brevard soon...#$&%!

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The Wednesday FWC map is negative for us.
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I'm not sure the sargassum floating in here is unprecedented. I recall it fouling my leash and covering the beaches many times of the past 30 years. But I was saying it's not a local pollution problem indicator because it comes from - well the sargasso sea.

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Yes the Sargassum bloom isn't local, it just drifts in when the currents dictate, as always. But the amount of the stuff that is out there in the tropical Atlantic and Caribbean and southern Gulf is off the charts compared to historical records. There is increasing evidence that the stuff in the deep tropics and Caribbean is not originating in the Sargasso Sea but is actually growing and proliferating in the affected areas. Increases in dissolved CO2, dust from Africa, upwelling from really intense cyclones, are a few suspected sources of nutrients to fuel the growth.

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Originally posted by: scombrid Yes the Sargassum bloom isn't local, it just drifts in when the currents dictate, as always. But the amount of the stuff that is out there in the tropical Atlantic and Caribbean and southern Gulf is off the charts compared to historical records. There is increasing evidence that the stuff in the deep tropics and Caribbean is not originating in the Sargasso Sea but is actually growing and proliferating in the affected areas. Increases in dissolved CO2, dust from Africa, upwelling from really intense cyclones, are a few suspected sources of nutrients to fuel the growth.
That article ww posted was nuts. Mysterious Masses Seaweed Assault Caribbean Islands

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Originally posted by: miker Well someone figured out a use for it
The sarassum wrack line in great for dune development (especuially in out flat beaches up here, but A few years back when we had ALOT wash up in st. augustine. I used a bunch to mulch in my veggie garden with GREAT results (makesure you rinse off th salt first though). (and before the "police" comments....yes, it's usually illegal to harvest in some places.... but I'm such a rebel

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The FAK
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The smell is getting worse. You would think with stiff onshores it would be minimized. Nope.

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Mullet Marshal just said in public hearing that PBC samples are positive for red tide. This is coming from the GOMEX loop current, and very rare but not unprecedented.
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Beaches in northern Miami-Date County are positive and have been closed (Miami Herald)
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All county-operated beach parks in Palm Beach County are closed.
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Red Tide Rick says that Federal Government has had decades to address this and yet here we are. He also said he is probusiness, anti-regulation and that Corporations should police themselves and have immunity from lawsuits.

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Def some in the air in Brevard with onshore winds today.

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Yep confirmed red tide for the rich folk. Floridians did it to ourselves. Never called the politicians out. $hit Scott and DeSantis both have chances to be elected. Crackers don't surf but they vote...
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In Indi the seaweed doubled in quantity last night, dusk session was twice as much seaweed as the day before. Getting real thick in the Shore break. I suspect tonight's session will have double the amount of last night. Soon it will be knee deep on the beaches. Hopefully the Red Tide stays down south but its been up hear before to the point you could not breath very well, happens once every 5-10 years. I suspect this trend will change to it occurring more often.

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We could feel it near Jup Inlet early this morning, burning eyes and irritated lungs.
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Felt the burn this morning in MelBch. Typical eye burn, lips and tongue tingle, watery eyes and nose, tight throat, cough. So yup, it's here.
People coughing all over Public parking lot just now.
Neighbors thought they were getting sick, were on their way to the doctor when I mentioned the red tide. They were relieved.

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Heard from some others in Indialantic. Ugh.
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Originally posted by: Central Floridave

Heard from some others in Indialantic. Ugh.


x 2

That crap is brutal. Let's hope it doesn't coincide with our first north swell of the year.



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Dead fish on Mel Beach. All bait fish so hopefully it isn't too bad.
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Red tide is here in Brevard....

Let's vote Big Sugar out...or are they all on dat tat?

If you're asthmatic beware...

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Still not updated with the latest tests.
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ugggh...... coming cold front can't get here quick enough. C'mon North wind!
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Yep, felt that tickle in my throat this morning when I went to breakfast......

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Did a quick check across the street ystrdy morn and about ---k'in asphixiated(sp)~~!! WhOa- That's ---ked up. Kinda not wanting to hit that again, feels like it's gonna definitely short'n the life span. How we gonna know when it's gone 'round here? -so. beaches- Wonder how far up the IRL? Anyone know if it's anywhere up past the Inlet between there and say the bridges?

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Well, our marine forecast just changed to hard straight East then SE winds.... hopefully its not taking a ride too far north in the stream Man, I remember when it was bad here like 15+ years ago. I couldnt even look at the ocean if the wind was onshore (and I was living very close to the beach at the time) even my dog would sneeze and cough as soon as we walked over the dune line .... and since then several of my friends are now fishing charter captains. It would crush their business in an upcoming slow time. REALLY hope we dont go through that again

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From my recollection I surfed it the last time it was here. The surf was decent during that time and kind of worth it but it is gnarly. 2ndlight had good sandbars then, Cocoa Beach too. By the 6th or seventh week the novelty was wearing off. The day it left it disappeared like it had never happened.

It is a disaster to those with respiratory problems.
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Originally posted by: Greensleeves From my recollection I surfed it the last time it was here. The surf was decent during that time and kind of worth it but it is gnarly. 2ndlight had good sandbars then, Cocoa Beach too. By the 6th or seventh week the novelty was wearing off. The day it left it disappeared like it had never happened. It is a disaster to those with respiratory problems.
Yeah, I remember an extended run of waves when it hapenned (spring time?).... but I also remember saying FUKTHAT! Eyes and nose burned just looking at the ocean at the time. I think it was only a few weeks up here (again it was a long time ago, and I really dont remember all the details)
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My dogs were sneezing & hacking during the after surf check from the boardwalk in the 32937. My throat had a slight tickle, too.

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Well, I honestly have been "out of the loop" for the last 15 months or so but, , , , I understand the Big Sugar/Okeechobee thing but, , , , please clarify the issues in regard to the Army Corps of Engineers and the Feds having control of a lot of the actual drainage, , , ,?

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they build and control the pipes. simple as that. hubris is alive and well still in the first half of the 21st century. maybe it won't kill us too quickly.

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Originally posted by: dingpatch

Well, I honestly have been "out of the loop" for the last 15 months or so but, , , , I understand the Big Sugar/Okeechobee thing but, , , , please clarify the issues in regard to the Army Corps of Engineers and the Feds having control of a lot of the actual drainage, , , ,?


The South Florida Water Management District directs the flow and flow rates. The two you mentioned don't have much to do with day to day operations, but the Corps does dictate when the water for Okeechobee is released.

There has been an explosion of sod farms all along the Kissimmee River floodplain over the last decade and I've never heard of them being factored into the equation. They are far greener than the surrounding landscape, so I imagine a good deal of fertilizer is used somewhere in the process.



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Before dark last night it was pretty bad in IHB and was beginning to show in Satellite.
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The Sebastian Inlet test posted at Level High: > 1,000,000 cells per liter

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Anyone who has a St. Augustine lawn on the barrier island or along the river contributes heavily to the Lagoons decline and fertilizer/pesticide runoff into the ocean.

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Anyone who has a St. Augustine lawn on the barrier island or along the river contributes heavily to the Lagoons decline and fertilizer/pesticide runoff into the ocean.


Wouldn't it be more applicable to say anyone that uses pesticide or fertilizer during raining season where is can run off contribute? Plenty of people doing that without St Augustine lawns, lol.

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Originally posted by: daner


Anyone who has a St. Augustine lawn on the barrier island or along the river contributes heavily to the Lagoons decline and fertilizer/pesticide runoff into the ocean.


Wouldn't it be more applicable to say anyone that uses pesticide or fertilizer during raining season where is can run off contribute? Plenty of people doing that without St Augustine lawns, lol.


That would be adjusted by square footage of area & not much comes close to a big, carpet lawn........



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Well it doesn't much matter what kind of lawn you have if you aren't putting that stuff on the yard during rainy season.
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My assumption is that far more of the pollutants are now coming from developments to the west such as Viera, etc. The populations have exploded along I-95 and all of that runoff goes eventually into the lagoon. Either through direct runoff or from SJWM canal releases.

I think everyone should curb the fertilizer and pesticide application regardless if you live beachside or not.
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For Viera specifically all the runoff goes west into the St. John's river but I'm not sure where it goes from there or how long the lifespan of a pollutant is.

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John is on it. Fertilizer is nitrogen (and phosphorus in some cases) brought into the watershed from "somewhere else". Doesn't belong here. Whether it reaches the Lagoon directly as runoff, or indirectly as the primary productivity (plants) it produces, it gets there. Shi..., um, stuff flows downhill and downhill from anywhere in the watershed is the Lagoon. Once there, it's the source of muck that releases the nitrogen. It's an avalanche of fertilizer and plants built up over 50 years. And it's still flowing. Rhetorical question, how much does it cost you to not fertilize your yard?

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All the houses around me are either perfect st. Aggy or brown beach grass. The ones with the perfect yards which is about 90% of the hood are also the ones who dive, surf, boat, fish BUT still have to have a perfect yard. It is something in their mindset, Green yard = success, Scrub Yard = lazy, loser, etc. ....No one will be able to change their mindset and again these are indiv. who use the waterways???...........what about the millions that live away from the coast or the ones who do not boat/fish/surf, etc and live in Brevard? . My guess is they really do not care about redtide, algae blooms, IRL fish kills...if you took a sample of the population across the state, I do not think it is in their top 10 things to worry about or commit to change... . Heck my surfing/fishing/boating neighbors fertilize & insecticide run their sprinkelers almost every day. But again nice green yard = success, got your life together, doing well, not LAZY, etc. BUT those who conserve water, have natural yards etc. are looked down upon...until this mentality changes green yards forever, Massey signs on freshly sprayed yards. Bloom and Doom.

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Originally posted by: SurferMic

All the houses around me are either perfect st. Aggy or brown beach grass. The ones with the perfect yards which is about 90% of the hood are also the ones who dive, surf, boat, fish BUT still have to have a perfect yard. It is something in their mindset, Green yard = success, Scrub Yard = lazy, loser, etc.
....No one will be able to change their mindset
and again these are indiv. who use the waterways???...........what about the millions that live away from the coast or the ones who do not boat/fish/surf, etc and live in Brevard?
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My guess is they really do not care about redtide, algae blooms, IRL fish kills...if you took a sample of the population across the state, I do not think it is in their top 10 things to worry about or commit to change...
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Heck my surfing/fishing/boating neighbors fertilize & insecticide run their sprinkelers almost every day. But again nice green yard = success, got your life together, doing well, not LAZY, etc. BUT those who conserve water, have natural yards etc. are looked down upon...until this mentality changes green yards forever, Massey signs on freshly sprayed yards. Bloom and Doom.


That is Truth Brother. The mindset needs to change- tax incentives could help do that but education is the key.


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St. auggie lawn here in CB but have been letting it fend for itself for a couple of years. I have several neighbors that have given up on fertilizer and pesticide and it doesn't look terrible. A little vacant lottish but the surroundings are quite nice. I do use the CB reuse water on the lawn and not sure that is great for the situation. Sorry to have been part of the lawn generation. It appears that some of our past societal norms were not great for our society.

Red tide check at second street north last night and couldn't detect it. Wind not great for the next few days.
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Hopefully it's not thick enough, that a few days of hard onshores could just wash it into the dunes
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It would be so easy for local governments to offer property tax breaks to people who take out their St. Augustine grass (I use this because it is the most common culprit and requires intensive maintenance) and put in plantings and ground covers of native flowering plants that don't require that level of care. Reduce the problem is cheaper than putting in retention ponds and the reclamation required to fix the problem. AND at the same time provide flowers to give habitat for bees, butterflies and other species. Win Win

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Would should someone replace St Augustine with that can handle foot traffic and is grass. Some of these alternatives to grass aren'tt going to work for people with small children.
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Miker - Don't replace it with anything. It's called weeds and looks like a lawn from a distance, except during times of drought it gets a little dry looking, but also requires less mowing. My front and back lawn of weeds looks great especially when freshly mowed - seriously. It also feels great beneath bare feet with no sand spurs, and friends' kids that come over do just fine wrestling around in it. There is no excuse or no need to put anything other than rainwater on your property's vegetation, including groundwater. Put up two rainbarrels (even though I've heard it's illegal), and that will suffice for all your plant watering needs. I agree with the irony of the masses relying and playing in the natural environment, yet insist on sucking the high quality aquifers dry (some use reclaimed) and dumping chemicals on their lawn -all for what??
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Miker - Don't replace it with anything. It's called weeds and looks like a lawn from a distance, except during times of drought it gets a little dry looking, but also requires less mowing. My front and back lawn of weeds looks great especially when freshly mowed - seriously. It also feels great beneath bare feet with no sand spurs, and friends' kids that come over do just fine wrestling around in it. There is no excuse or no need to put anything other than rainwater on your property's vegetation, including groundwater. Put up two rainbarrels (even though I've heard it's illegal), and that will suffice for all your plant watering needs. I agree with the irony of the masses relying and playing in the natural environment, yet insist on sucking the high quality aquifers dry (some use reclaimed) and dumping chemicals on their lawn -all for what??


Cool, but that didn't really answer my question. I said it has to be grass.
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Originally posted by: 426Blue Miker - Don't replace it with anything. It's called weeds and looks like a lawn from a distance, except during times of drought it gets a little dry looking, but also requires less mowing. My front and back lawn of weeds looks great especially when freshly mowed - seriously. It also feels great beneath bare feet with no sand spurs, and friends' kids that come over do just fine wrestling around in it. There is no excuse or no need to put anything other than rainwater on your property's vegetation, including groundwater. Put up two rainbarrels (even though I've heard it's illegal), and that will suffice for all your plant watering needs. I agree with the irony of the masses relying and playing in the natural environment, yet insist on sucking the high quality aquifers dry (some use reclaimed) and dumping chemicals on their lawn -all for what??
My parents are lawn freaks. I've been trying to convince them to just quit making it look perfect, leave it alone weeds and whatever, and schedule their mowing at reasonable intervals so it doesn't look neglected. But each Saturday, especially in August, at high noon, they'll be out there, re-sodding and fertilizing.
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Originally posted by: miker Would should someone replace St Augustine with that can handle foot traffic and is grass. Some of these alternatives to grass aren'tt going to work for people with small children.
Bermuda or zoysia?
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My limiting factor is my spouse. It had to be grass, that is why I am asking what the best one to use is for our environment.
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Oh, I just heard Sebastian Inlet is closed due to red tide.
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A friend says it is in S.Cocoa Beach this afternoon. Ugh.
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Lots of dead fish around satellite area had my dogs down there and left pretty quickly because I could feel it in my throat. I'm pretty sensitive for some reason though. Maybe something to do with living on the dune line during the last really bad one.
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Neighbor 2 doors down just put in 0.4 acres of St. Augustine sod yesterday. Immediate neighbor waters 3X per week, fertilizes straight through the wet season, and is currently spraying weed killer on the root shoots around the live oak that leans over our garage. Neighbor across from her has two properties, residence and rental on adjoining lots. He waters 3-4X per week and relentlessly fertilizes. None of them get the clippings or leaf litter out of the street so that all washes down the hill. Nobody wants to shell out the money to fix the problem with septic and antiquated municipal waste water systems. It is kind of an uphill battle to try to get any kind of meaningful movement on controlling eutrophication.

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Neighbor 2 doors down just put in 0.4 acres of St. Augustine sod yesterday. Immediate neighbor waters 3X per week, fertilizes straight through the wet season, and is currently spraying weed killer on the root shoots around the live oak that leans over our garage. Neighbor across from her has two properties, residence and rental on adjoining lots. He waters 3-4X per week and relentlessly fertilizes. None of them get the clippings or leaf litter out of the street so that all washes down the hill. Nobody wants to shell out the money to fix the problem with septic and antiquated municipal waste water systems. It is kind of an uphill battle to try to get any kind of meaningful movement on controlling eutrophication.


Several years back we had a neighbor that watered his lawn ~10 hours straight, so much in fact that I took pictures of ducks bathing in my gutters.

I called the St Johns Water District Management and thought they would have some teeth. They don't. In fact, all they can do is send a letter. Fortunately my numnuts neighbor got scared and backed off from his stupidity. Funny that this guy had a PHd in Computer Science. Dumber than a rock in regards to the Lagoon's problems.

This is what we are dealing with.
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Hopefully, you talked to your neighbor (and educated him) before taking pics and calling the fuzz... Puff puff, pass

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Nobody wants to shell out the money to fix the problem with septic and antiquated municipal waste water systems. It is kind of an uphill battle to try to get any kind of meaningful movement on controlling eutrophication.


It's really expensive for parcel owners that don't fall into a Priority Focus Area. Most counties do have programs that help foot the bill for conversion, but in OC at least, 69% of the neighborhood has to commit financially before a plan can even be drawn up. The average cost to a homeowner for converting from septic to sewer is about 25K-50K. Uphill battle is definitely an understatement.

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Nobody wants to shell out the money to fix the problem with septic and antiquated municipal waste water systems. It is kind of an uphill battle to try to get any kind of meaningful movement on controlling eutrophication.
It's really expensive for parcel owners that don't fall into a Priority Focus Area. Most counties do have programs that help foot the bill for conversion, but in OC at least, 69% of the neighborhood has to commit financially before a plan can even be drawn up. The average cost to a homeowner for converting from septic to sewer is about 25K-50K. Uphill battle is definitely an understatement.
I think the state has a big responsibility to foot a chunk of that bill. State was permitting 1000s and 1000s of units in high density developments with no sewage treatment long after it knew or should have known that the lack or sewage treatment would lead to water quality problems in lakes and lagoons.

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There are other programs, but unless you're in a PFA, they base it on the mean income of the neighborhood. I'm still doing research on the topic, but from what I can tell, most of programs are geared towards PFA's.

By Dec. 3, I'll probably be able to report back a more thorough answer.

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Originally posted by: worksuxgetsponsered There are other programs, but unless you're in a PFA, they base it on the mean income of the neighborhood. I'm still doing research on the topic, but from what I can tell, most of programs are geared towards PFA's. By Dec. 3, I'll probably be able to report back a more thorough answer.
Well, it does make sense to prioritize where to spend the money when trying to carry out the BMAPs to achieve the TMDLs. (we are all paying an extra fee on our water/sewer bill since the BMAP for IRL was adopted a couple of years ago).

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Septic to sewer conversion is really expensive, the Impact fee is $$$$$$$. I do not think many residents will go for it. I guess the possible solution would be to waive all impacts fees to connect to sewer for any home immediately adjacent to the water & and as Daner stated earlier give more Homestead exemption to those who do not have sodded yards but instead have zero-scape or natural scape (whatever it is called). But how would you check and enforce it? . To answer Miker...if you need to have grass maybe this one .....BAHIAGRASS . "BAHIA is a pasture grass but has become a popular, low-maintenance lawn grass that performs well with limited water and fertilizer inputs. Bahia does not require irrigation during the installation and establishment period. It is for this reason that Bahia is widely used for erosion control on roadsides and retention ponds. Bahia forms a deep root system making it a great choice in sandy, infertile soils".

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The lawn thing should be the low hanging fruit on the clean up list but the cultural resistance to anything that doesn't look like astroturf year-round is insane. The guy that just put in the 0.4 acres of sod is a duck hunter. You'd think he'd be conscientious about the causes of the loss of sea grass in the lagoon. For every lawn in our neighborhood that has gone FL Natiive or FL Friendly Non-Native there are two that have been newly sodded with St. Aug. I was on the St. Lucie last week. Those people have some nerve blaming all their water quality problems on Lake O. It was all St. Augustine lawns and zero buffer between lawn and waterway or lawn and street.

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Hmm, wonder if you can just seed in Bahia and let the st Augustine go.... chinch bugs or whatever.
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Brevard is one of the few County's that are stepping up and offering other incentives, as well as most of the county being a PFA.

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miker my neighbor let their lawn convert from St. Auggie when I first moved in to bahia now over a time. Seems like a good idea since it looks OK and is much better for the environment.
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Originally posted by: Greensleeves

miker my neighbor let their lawn convert from St. Auggie when I first moved in to bahia now over a time. Seems like a good idea since it looks OK and is much better for the environment.


Cool. I will just give that a try and start seeding it in this spring.
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Originally posted by: Greensleeves miker my neighbor let their lawn convert from St. Auggie when I first moved in to bahia now over a time. Seems like a good idea since it looks OK and is much better for the environment.
Did they just do it with seed? My neighbor 2 houses down recently purchased their house from snowbirds that had the front yard all graveled. He sodded it all with bahia (two young daughters and a puppy). It took off like a champ and looks like it needs no maintenance. My yard is pretty low (and made wetter due to new surrounding construction ) and have a bunch of oak trees, so I'm not sure how that would take. I have St. Augustine grass, but never water (maybe aside from a few days in MAY if we have a drought) but everytime a patch dies, that area get replaced by plants / trees

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Looks like some strains of Bahia does better in shade than others, but they all still need 6 hours of direct sun. Your oaks and my side yard might be a problem, heh.
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Pretty sure it was seed over time. The St. Auggie gave up like the spoiled grass it is
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Hmm might be a moot point for me now. Just got authorization to telecommute from Costa Rica. Yay me.
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telecommute from Costa Rica.


Sweet! Good luck with that...

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Originally posted by: miker Hmm might be a moot point for me now. Just got authorization to telecommute from Costa Rica. Yay me.
Congrats you lucky bastard!
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Maybe not lucky. Maybe highly valued. I can't think of a better way to encourage an employee.

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congrats bro guess i wont see you down at HT anymore
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Thanks. Still processing that it was actually approved. More than a little shocked.
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Congrats. We'll keep the red tide on lock you go get some clean green. Adventure time.
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Thanks. I still have to figure out if I want to sell my house, rent it, etc. I am leaning towards renting it out since I am so close to the beach.
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