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https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2019/10/30/satellite-beach-hotel-condo-towers-homes-slated-along-state-road-a-1-a/2491888001/



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Satellite Beach hotel, condo towers, homes slated for 27 acres by Hightower Beach park


Nothing new, nothing unexpected.
Forced to move out of Satellite Shores across from Hightower 3 years ago
when it was sold and we were told million dollar condo's were going up.

Hightower Beach Park will eventually become "their private beach"
... maybe not, but ..... yes really.

Impact on Satellite Beach will not be good, but it's all about $$$$$.











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"Woodshire Brevard LLC, is based in Memphis, Tennessee. The company purchased the property for $13.5 million in June 2017" HAHAHAH "WOODSHIRE BREVARD LLC" now that is funny. Old Tennessee Whiskey Money. I know ladies and gentleman, the one sliver of quality surf that we have will be soaked up and trashed by.. "Numerous major employers of Brevard County including SpaceX, Blue Origin, OneWeb, Embraer (and) Harris are sending their Clients and Traveling Executives to the Four & Five Star hotels in Orlando because Brevard lacks a high-end hotel," the developer's memo said. "All of these corporations have indicated that they will support this Four Star Hotel in Satellite Beach," the memo said. Oh I'm sure the corporations are chopping at the teeth to to take a bite out of this shit show. Congrats Brevard your mission is almost complete.. Selling out everything this place once was. Oh don't forget to finish the Virgin Train Circus that we all want SOOOO BADDDDD.

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people are moving to florida, I (for one) am shocked

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You're gonna need a bigger... Parking Lot
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pretty sure the gulf stream steers most storms out of our way see: matthew, dorian, etc...

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The beach there is getting chewed away like the land is fresh baked chocolate chip cookie and the ocean is billions of Cookie Monsters. The ocean doesn't see to care about the amount of dirt they keep dumping.

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"pretty sure the gulf stream steers most storms out of our way see: matthew, dorian, etc... "

??? I question the relevance of that statement, not to mention its veracity.

My prediction - In 15 years Satellite Beach will look like Cocoa Beach does now.

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OK so, screw it. Nobody other than surfers give a rectal leak about RC's, Surfers are just miserable pudknockers who do not contribute anything meaningful to society. Let's move on.

It would now be more productive to argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

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Originally posted by: dkaye people are moving to florida, I (for one) am shocked
Yeah, me too! I thought for sure I'd closed the door behind me up in the panhandle and taken the Melbourne exit signs down on I-95 back in the 80's....
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Seems like a sweetheart deal for 27 acres beachside. Less than 1/2 a mil per acre? Was that an auction, can"t remember the details?

Anyway will be awesome to take walkover right into hotel lobby. Hopefully they will have a bucket for post session nasal drain nearby...

Can't wait to meet the squadrons of tourists hanging out in sacred Brevard surf zones, sure the nesting sea turtles will delight in their arrival as well

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At least it's not development on the east side of A1A for once.
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I thought the EPA or whoever declared Sat. Beach a disaster area from all the dumping back in the 50's? who would buy property there if you were reading the news? I was calling it the love canal 2.0, just another cover-up.
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They're gonna need a bigger poop tank.
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Lifted from Greg CRSURF.com...long read...November 1 at 6:23 PM ·

November 6th(Wednesday) is the City Hall meeting where the city is going to add 222
nits into the 'PUD 3' or 'PCN 3' subdivision in the old South Patrick Housing Area.

What they are proposing is this:

1) Adding 222 units of commercial development on a 27 acre plot of land that is
already allowing 398 residential units. This is despite the fact that our city's land use
regulations call for a MAXIMUM of 6 units per acre in this development. They are adding
density to an already overcrowded plot of land.

2) They are removing the maximum number of stories allowed in the 85' tall towers
that are being proposed for this site. The restriction is currently 7 stories maximum.
They are adding density to an already overcrowded plot of land.

3) The city is not being honest when they say that the point of the meeting is to allow
single family homes. The PUD 3 already allows that.

Here's some additional information:

1) A survey of Florida's Cities found that Satellite falls within the 88th percentile of
most densely populated cities in FL.

2) No Environmental impact study has been conducted to see how this development
will affect the conservation lands next to Hightower Park.

3) The current city administration allowed the two largest buildings EVER built in
Satellite Beach, to be built on the eroding land across from Publix. They replaced what
used to be one large building(The Ramada).

4) The mid-reach shore protection project is a major consideration for the very large
financial interests in their decision to underwrite and finance these developments.

5) The current city administration is considering a height increase along the west side
of A1A next year which will clear the way for large scale development throughout the
city, and they have discussed taking density from properties along South Patrick Drive
to accommodate this development.

6) This is a plan that has developed over the last several years while we have all been
told over and over again that this isn't what is actually happening.

7) The developer who owns the Shearwater Property is a man named Jimmy Winemiller
who has been connected to crimes and investigations throughout the country. These
include White Water(Yes, The Clinton's), fraud involving a catfish farm, a former
business partner who was trafficking young women from Asia for the purpose of
prostitution, corruption and bribery of a public official in Maryland, and more. He is a
major developer here in Brevard County.

8. The people who are advancing this major redevelopment and complete destruction of
our city's character are part of the same group of people who built all the
condominiums on the dunes.

This development will never happen if the people of this town start talking to their
neighbors, and begin organizing to remove the city council members and administration
officials who are working to allow all of this. November 6th is their last opportunity to
show us that they will stand up for the community.

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NBD!

Who are we to stand in the way of "progress"? LOL. LOL. LOL

There are those who would proudly tell you that Brevard is "under" developed. Lots of "expansion" opportunities.

I've shared this here before, , , ,:

Back when the "base closure" thingy was going on, there were more than a few developers who wanted Patrick to be closed. I was at a private party and some of the attendees were the Biggest Developers in the state/South Eastern USA. They already had "plans" and pretty much already had all of the required financial backing.

First, A1A would have to be moved westward from the NCO club to the O'club. Too much prime "beach front" would go to waste if A1A was not moved. It needed to be "condo'd". Or, perhaps use that area for a few very large private "estates". The areas of the base to the south and north could be the "condo" and "resort" corridors.

Then, the rest of the base that was west of A1A would be fenced off and gated.

There was much discussion about whether-or-not the runway should be retained in order to "up the antee" in regard to perhaps attracting the "super" wealthy.

The golf course and marina areas would need to be greatly improved.

There is plenty of room on the river front to put in some very nice "residences".

The expected "value" would be "untold billions".

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426Blue

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This is par for the course for Satellite - the concrete strip mall laden corridor for this County, or Developer's dream municipality declining to enact local ordinances and land use planning adverse to pouring concrete. Looks like Satellite, & IHB for that matter, needs leadership willing or able to analyze beyond property tax revenue, which really should not be the end analysis for land use and building regs.
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Here is a petition to help stop it. I don't think it is approved yet. Even better - show up at 7 p.m. when they do their presentation in Sat. Beach on Nov. 6th.
Petition to stop highrises in Satellite Beach

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Or possibly show up a little before 6pm?

FL Today reports there is a "gathering" sponsored by a "Save The Turtles" group starting at 6pm outside city hall.

FL Today

Also, the city's website lists a CRA meeting Wed 11/6 at 6:00 pm. I thought the CRA (Community Redevelopment Agency) had been dissolved... Anyone know what's up there?

Minor edit: The CRA link on the city web page is separate from the other boards:
http://www.satellitebeach.org/...development_agency.php
but I still thought it had been dissolved. My bad.

CRA minutes and agendas: http://www.satellitebeach.org/...gendas_and_minutes.php

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Anyone go to the meeting?

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Yes, I went.

These meetings are always good for a laugh.

Basically, it goes back to the 2004/2005 time frame.
It was zoned back then for condos and such.

The bottom line is this;

You can have 4 condos and 17 multi level buildings

or

You can have 3 condos and a hotel (check)

or

C. Get sued by developer. They paid $13.5 million for land, and the annual budget for the city happens to be $13.5 million. In the end, the developer would win and the City would be left devastated. It would be in litigation for years and years. Even if the City prevailed, the would basically be bankrupt.

The best point of the night was brought up by a lady from North Satellite Beach.
She mentioned that she didn't want to see chairs and jet skis for rent on the beach.

The City does have total control of this. So at this point, if you want to protest anything, call the city and express your thoughts about rental companies connected to the hotel.




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I don't think the City does have control at this point. You can't deny building that
meets zoning and code. Even if Satellite changed their land use regs. right now, the
developer would have a viable Bert Harris Act claim against the City, since the plans
were so far in motion before the change.


Satellite clearly does not have the stomach to stop the worsening landscape pollution
and oversized structures in their own community. Councilman Montanaro's comment in
Florida Today's article, suggesting Satellite somehow prevented an even worse
scenario, comparing Neptune Beach's "blowing up" with development, is a dishonest
and ignorant comparison. Who is that guy? - Satellite did not do their "homework" on
this issue.

Neptune Beach may have "blown up" recently, but the reason for that is because it's a
great place to live, due to successfully doing what Satellite and a few other beach
communities in this area have failed to do, namely: zoning only allowing single family
or duplexes & a few grandfathered triplexes; no short term rentals; encouraging long
term & permanent residency; 2004 vote passed on height limitations at around 35'
-45'; commercial limited to "Town Center" and portions west of 3rd st.; modifying 1st
street successfully discouraging vehicular traffic - you don't need or want a car in
Neptune Beach; tight restrictions on what can exist in commercial sector (Town Center)
encouraging interesting commercial and artistic ventures; the town appears to work at
improving the lives of permanent or long term residents, unlike Satellite.

At this point, civil disobedience would be the only road to stopping this project, which
has worked in stopping unpopular proposed development.


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I hate to name names, but here goes. Several years ago just when they started the twin towers of hell, I called John Stone, building Director for Sat Bch to inquire about the project.

He told me that the condo was going to deed 25 feet of land on the south end when the final building was CO'd (Certificate of Occupancy). Here we are near that point and I don't see 25 feet there. I see some underground power utility boxes and a narrow strip of land on the south end of the chain link fence. Nowhere near 25 feet.

I see the north Scorpion Court with barriers from storm damage.

He said he was a surfer growing up here.

I guess he's not a surfer anymore.

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Originally posted by: stokedpanda

leukemia lane.....


OMG!

My wife says she will enjoy the addition sewage overflow into the river.

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426, Your post ends with "Edited: 11/07/2019 at 03:11 PM by 2nd Light Forums Moderator" -- is anything important now missing from your original post?

Edited: 11/08/2019 at 08:12 AM by RegularJoe
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Originally posted by: RegularJoe

426, Your post ends with "Edited: 11/07/2019 at 03:11 PM by 2nd Light Forums Moderator" -- is anything important now missing from your original post?




No, nothing missing, nothing removed.
It was "edited" for paragraph spacing to make it more readable.


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The developer (of the condos at RCs) verbally agreed in public to create a public beach access at the south end of his property.

If there are audio recordings of the meetings going back that far, it should be in the archives. I was at the meeting where it happened.
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A verbal for 25 precious feet of ocean front property? Thanks for nothing Sat Bch.

Also, just drove by that area and the former LungRx is now for sale, and one of the realtor signs is planted in front of the worm hole trail surfers have been walking through.

Put a fork in it, we're done.

The final nail in the proverbial coffin will be parking enforcement in the Publix parking lot.

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There are two 6' pedestrian walkways at the condos across from Publix

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Tried to attach other file but this forum doesn't let me.

There were supposed to be two 6' easements. Looks like only one was recorded.???

6' easement at south end of property is recorded here;

https://vaclmweb1.brevardclerk.us/AcclaimWeb/search/SearchTypeName


Record Date:
7/31/2018

Book Type:
OR - Official Records
Book / Page:
8226/1420
Clerk File Number:
2018171376


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Apparently there is a rally scheduled for this Saturday to protest the condos.

From Surfrider: And finally, if you haven't heard about the proposed condo & hotel development in Satellite Beach, please get involved. We need the City of Satellite Beach to stand by the original zoning for this property across A1A from Hightower Park. Besides being adjacent to a critical turtle nesting habitat, do we really need Satellite Beach to become the next Miami? There is a rally planned for this Sat. 11/16 at Hightower Park, Shearwater Pkwy & A1A, starting at noon. Details here: No More Condo Towers in Satellite Beach.. There will be a second, and final, vote on this project at next Wednesday's City Council meeting:

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Unfortunately, we can protest all we want. It won't do any good. They are allowed 4 condos and 17 multi-level buildings by law. They just spent $13.5 million on the land and another $1 million to clear it. It is going to be developed.

It's the people in 2004/2005 that zoned it this way that are the problem, sell outs.
Yes, there will be condos from Key West to Jacksonville. It's inevitable.

The vote is not "to do the project" or "not to do the project."
The vote is whether there will be "three condos and a hotel" or "four condos and 17 multi story buildings."




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Originally posted by: Palm_Grower



Yes, there will be condos from Key West to Jacksonville. It's inevitable.



Not in flagler beach!



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Agreed- there's loads of beach towns that have not succumbed to anything close to what Satellite allows. One other alternative is for the city to buy back the property. Population of Satellite - around 15,000, around $1,000.00 per resident, or funded through increases in taxes elsewhere based on tourism or whatever else the city can determine is taxable?? No one over blinks an eye at tourist, sales, gas, "impact" taxes etc. And of course - get rid of the leadership, as they are doing no favors to residents. The people certainly had, and maybe still have the power to fix this.
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Palm_Grower

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Why not in Flagler?

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Another meeting coming up this week...
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Not sure what the problem is here. A company wants to develop land that was previously base housing - so what? They are building across the street, not beachfront. The only argument here is the old zoning vs the revamped zoning - which appears to be a much better use of the land than what was agreed to back in 2004.

I have met many of the folks on the Sat Bch council - these are good people, many who grew up in the town, and IMO they without question want to do what is best for the city.

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Palm_Grower

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Here's one to protest;

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/environment/2019/11/18/emerald-lakes-fill-more-than-100-acres-wetlands-palm-bay/4227468002/

http://www.floridatoday.com/st...-palm-bay/4227468002/

Comment here;

https://www.saj.usace.army.mil/Missions/Regulatory/Public-Notices/Article/2005263/saj-2018-02833-sp-jcp/

http://www.saj.usace.army.mil/...aj-2018-02833-sp-jcp/

You can send e-mail comments to Mr. John Palmer at

John.Palmer@usace.army.mil

Subject: SAJ-2018-02833 (SP-JCP)

Take 2 minutes and send a simple note!

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fyi, Take the 's' out of the https and it should hyper link automatically. or use the icon in the reply box for https.
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Wow, you are amazing!

the Florida Today link works!

the other link doesn't.
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