Why exactly? My wife and I were asked to leave a busy cafe while on vacation until the rest of our party showed up to make room for other customers. We stepped outside as asked and waited for her parents and brother to show up. Nobody got arrested.

So two guys waiting for someone get asked to leave because they weren't ordering anything in a busy Starbucks. Rather than doing what they were asked to do, they decided to be assholes and refused. They were then escorted off the premises for trespassing by police.

So what exactly the problem? Having extra melanin content is now an excuse to be an asshole?


Edit: To be fair, I usually step outside *anyways* unless it is raining if I am waiting for someone is a business is crowded. I guess common courtesy isn't so common.

Edited: 04/17/2018 at 08:23 AM by miker

It wasn't a busy cafe. They came for a real estate conference. A lady commented that she had been sitting there for hours without purchasing before. But she was white.

It wasn't a busy cafe. They came for a real estate conference. A lady commented that she had been sitting there for hours without purchasing before. But she was white.

It wasn't a busy cafe. They came for a real estate conference. A lady commented that she had been sitting there for hours without purchasing before. But she was white.

Battery in my ancient car died at the Starbucks in Vierra. I wasn't exactly dressed nice. They didn't ask me to leave. I was still there long after I had finished my coffee waiting for Mrs. Scombrid to come pick me up to take me to buy a new battery; a battery which I then swapped out right in their parking lot.

I can't remember ever being in a Starbucks where seating was at limited. It is 90% carry out and a handful of people camped out for who the hell knows how long pretending like it is their personal office.

I can understand a business not wanting non-paying customers taking up space. But Starbucks as a rule doesn't seem to be in the business of trying to shuffle people off.

So the question is what was special about these guys.

It also makes a difference whether or not it was busy and loiterers were being asked to leave in general.

 

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Ive never been asked to leave or told to leave any establishment unless they were closing. I also frequent Starbucks all over the US and sometimes hang out for long periods of time. Not once have I been "removed."

Come to my house and I'll show you what it's like.

I avoid starbucks like the clap, because I'm cheap and view anybody willing to pay that much for coffee with disdain; but I thought they were supposed to be the epitome of progressive...I guess not.

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Starbucks: makes cups that aren't "Christmas-y" enough...

Conservatives: BOYCOTT STARBUCKS!

Starbucks: calls 911 and has two African American guys taken away in handcuffs who were waiting for a friend.

Conservatives: yeah, I'm ok with that... it's their fault for not ordering anything

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Hahahaha. Yeah, the irony is real.

FWIW - I made fun of the conservatives about the cups.

Shocking video of white male being repressed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ukak8P2vY

 

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Miker seriously? Yes the anger is misguided in that it is toward Starbucks and not the dreadful individual that caused this. But are you in denial that black people in this country get an f-ed up deal just because of their skin color? There is a lot of pent up anger there.

Pent up anger so they march now and then:

Women
Young people
Black people


How often do the oppressed white dudes march? They don't because they aren't.

Not at all. I agree with you that there is still bias and racism in this country.

However, it is a place of business and they weren't doing business there. Whatever reason they were asked to leave is irrelevant at that point. What proof do you or anyone else for that matter have that racism was involved in this incident outside of a bunch of other angry people that 'say' it is?

For fucks sake, I don't even use a gas station bathroom on a road trip without buying something from the store. What is so hard about buying a $2 coffee if you are going to hang out there for a while? The truth is, nothing is hard about it. Refusing to do business there followed by refusing to leave when asked was nothing more than these two being an asshole and trying to create a situation.

That is only true if that policy is applied to everybody by the business. 

If the business is known for allowing extended loitering and there are people there loitering and someone is then singled out and asked to leave because they are loitering then there may a violation of a 54 year old law depending on the reason for that person having been treated differently from the others.

 

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Well in this case racism was assumed unless there are facts I have yet to see. IE was the person who called the police a known racist? Do you know the motivation of the employee that asked them to leave if that is not the case? Is there a history at this Starbucks of black people only being asked to leave if they weren't paying customers?

If this was proven to be racist in nature, why did the black officer on the scene allow them to be handcuffed and escorted off the premise? If this was clear cut discrimination, why is the black police chief supporting the actions of his officers?

Unless there are facts I have yet to see, this is a clear cut case of assuming racism just because of the melanin content of the two people that didn't comply when asked to leave the premise.

The charges were dropped.

The CEO is arranging a meeting with the two men to apologize firsthand.

There is an internal investigation within the police force.

The white people confronted the police when they arrested the men demanding to know what they did wrong.

All this and you still see nothing, huh Mike?

WTF. Why do I bother.... you are an idiot. lol



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It looks like people have told you again and again the answer to why this incident is perceived as racist. You simply don't like that answer for whatever reason.

I'll still try for you and I guess make it more succent than others

A lot of people see the incident as racist because multiple white customers/non-customers have loitered/hung out/used the crapper at that particular Starbucks without a problem. These white non-customer/loiterers/crappers have pointed this out, both during and after the incident. Is it just that manager, or all the employees there? Starbucks in general? I dunno. The bottom line is their manager told some black dudes they couldn't do what white people have, were, and continue to do in that store.

The police were doing their job. People were asked to leave an establishment, they did not. The police removed them. The police followed their policy the same as they would for anyone else it seems. The handcuffing might be odd, or maybe it's routine, I don't know. It sounds routine based on what their chief said.

Do you?

Were the guys causing a disturbance or preventing paying customers from having a place to sit?

Other patrons don't seem to indicate that.

His officers didn't do anything wrong irrespective of whether the store manager was in error or not. 

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Nope. That is exactly my point and thanks for making it for me. I am not assuming racism nor am I saying that it wasn't racial in nature. I even agree that it looks bad. However, I am not ready to automatically turn a woman into a racist without anything else to support it like so many others are willing to do. I also think the entire notion that 'Starbucks' itself is racist as I have seen people suggest during news coverage of protests is completely silly.



Yes I do.

Please, what assumption did I make about this situation? None. How dare I open the possibility that maybe it had nothing to do with race instead of assuming it did, right?

It is his job to remove people that the store requests be removed, not question the store's motivation for the request.

Because they acted within the law.

Are they supposed to all band together or something?

 

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Witnesses said these two guys were singled out. Witnesses said a white jogger popped in, got the key, used the restroom, and then left without buying anything. Can't know for sure the motivation of the store manager. But we all know what that looks like; unless all the witness are lying for some reason. Not his job to make such judgments once called. They did their job.

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Can you give any examples of what makes the bar for you?

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I'm pretty sure I could go down to the Starbucks in IHB and sit there all day without being asked to leave.


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In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Cool? I am pretty sure most people of any color can go to most Starbucks and not be asked to leave. However, if someone was asked to leave if they weren't buying something, most people would comply.

I might.

Unless there are lots of empty tables and/or other people loitering either without buying anything or many hours beyond what a 2 dollar coffee should justify. 

Then I might be suspicious about why I am being asked to leave and be tempted to sit quietly by and see if they push the issue.

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Perhaps not if:

1. You felt it was racially motivated
2. Your people had been subject to 400 years of abuse

White folks have a tendency to dismiss problems that don't affect them personally. That's the concept of "privilege".

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

BLM was right about Baltimore and they are right about this too.

Slice how ever many times you want in an attempt to justify it, but you will be wrong. This is racism, plain and clear.

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How is it plain and clear? Just because the people asked to leave had more melanin content than others? What evidence is there that this was actual racism?

 

the fact that it triggered you enuff to make post about it

(where you again are exposed as a dumbass) is a good clue.

Or some people dismiss problems that could have easily been handled by simply not being an asshole.

Cole, go fuck yourself.

You are forced to respond when hundreds of angry people shut down a business and thousands of others threaten to boycott your business. Again, what proof of actual racism do you have other than the assumption that was made just because the dudes weren't white? Did this Starbucks have a history of it? Did this employee? You call me an idiot because I don't automatically make an assumption that racism was involved. No, sorry... only idiots make that assumption without more information.

What if it it wasn't due to racism? What if it was your girlfriend or wife who was having a bad day and was nothing more than sick and tired of cleaning up after people day in and out who weren't even buying anything in her store who then got a rash of shit for asking two MEN to buy something or leave. Then she felt threatened, not because they were black, but because they were two grown MEN refusing to do what she asked so she called the police. Now she is suddenly out of a job and labeled a racist by the whole country.

No, I guess everything has to be racist automatically right?

All Starbucks will be closed for training.

But by all means Mike, keep fighting that windmill.

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Is your silence and refusal to answer consent that you have no proof that there was any racism involved and are doing nothing more than making an assumption?

You assume. I wait for facts.

Sorry Cole, just because two men were escorted off the property of a business after refusing to leave doesn't automatically make it racism just because they have more melanin content than you. All that does is make you guilty of implicit bias towards the female manager just because she was white.

Have you ever stopped to consider any other possibility than racial motivation behind her actions? No, I doubt you have.

Just for the record, the men weren't just "escorted" off the property, they were handcuffed by police, then taken out of the business, put in a squad car, and taken to a police station to be charged with trespassing and disturbance.

Also, the manager who called 911 (yes, the emergency line, not the police, but 911) was mutually released by Starbucks.

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Whatever. I simply meant it in the sense that the police removed them because they refused to remove themselves when asked by the business.

Starbucks is racist https://t.co/fPf3ERMlXX

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You do?

Funny, your opening post in this thread is dripping with assumptions of its own.

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Rash of shit?

None of the accounts have the two men giving anyone a the store a rash of shit.

Where to you get that information?

Why? No one else in the store did. The witnesses said the guys were sitting over to the side and not bothering anybody.

Accounts are showing a timeline that the cops were called about 2 minutes after these guys entered the store.

That's mighty fast for a place that has its image built on people just hanging out.

 

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Oh I see I am still drawing the attention of StirryMcStalkerFuckface even though I can't see his actual posts. I think Bob is in love with me. LOL what a tool.

It has been viewed as racism and multiple steps have been taken to resolve the issue.

Your thoughts and opinion don't matter.

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Well lets see...if a manager wants ANY person or persons that are creating a disturbance OFF of his property he has that LEGAL right!

It is called TRESSPASSING and it WAS a disturbance!

The police acted properly in resolving the situation.

As for the MANAGER...getting fired by Starbucks...well...they CAVED to your political FAKE BULLSHIT...as have many other buisnesses to date when your FAKE BULLSHIT 'racism' rears it's ugly head!

Starbucks is in the wrong and so are YOU!

The cops AND the manager did the RIGHT thing!

FACT!



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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FK, your opinion doesn't matter either.

I do find it funny that you and Mike are team trigger.

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Pretty sure you are the one that got triggered. I made a reasonable statement and you responded to me with name calling. At that point it doesn't really matter that I replied back to you that way because you chose the method for response because you were pissed that someone dare challenge your assumption.

You have not made your case, answered any question, or did anything other than make assumptions based on your implicit bias that just because two darker skin people were involved that it *HAS* to be racism. Still waiting for you to prove to me that it was racist in nature.

All you have done is called me names and basically called me a racist because I disagree with the assertion or assumption that it *has* to be racism without any facts supporting it.

 

good one, cole! +5

Their behavior did not differ from what is pretty Standard at Starbucks.

If they were actually creating a disturbance they can and should be removed.

But loitering is standard behavior at Starbucks so you need to demonstrate that their behavior differed from standard to raise to the level of disturbance.

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"Ross said that the two men had sat down at a table in the Starbucks and, before ordering anything, went to use the restroom."

They pretty much ask anyone who comes in and uses the restroom without buying something, to leave...its company policy.

""Starbucks said that according to their company policy, they do not allow nonpaying members of the public to come in and use the restroom," Ross said. Police asked the men to leave the Starbucks three times, he added, and they were arrested when they refused to do so.

The "police had legal standing to make this arrest," Ross said. "In short, these officers did absolutely nothing wrong."
Ross, who is black, denied that the arrests were racist in nature.
"I will say that as an African-American male, I am very aware of implicit bias," he said. "We are committed to fair, unbiased policing, and anything less than that will not be tolerated in this department."

The CEO admitted it too!

"We are reviewing our policies and will continue to engage with the community and the police department to try to ensure these types of situations never happen in any of our stores."



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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I sense a profitable lawsuit.

dont know why you all are eating your own, starbucks may as well have a hammer and sickle in their logo

"Eating your own".

Nobody I know is going to boycott Starbucks. It isn't a chain policy that led to this so attacking corporate would be really stupid. Sure there are some but that hardly justifies "Eating your own" as a comment as if you are responding to a monolithic group.

Nice links from the alt-right to follow up.

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It isn't that I dislike the answer, it is that I disagree with it. I certainly understand that people perceive it as racist and that is why Starbucks responded the way they have. What I am challenging is the automatic assumption of racism without any facts supporting that the manager called the police because she is a racist. If she had been black, would racism automatically be assumed? If the two gentlemen had been white, would this even be a story?

^^^ I think that question is the whole point.

Can you find any stories like this where white guys are "escorted" by the police out of an establishment in handcuffs? If so, please share it.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find one, let alone multiple instances where this happens.

And BLM coming out and protesting these incidents? It shows that they still feel like they are treated differently that those with lighter skin pigmentation.

And this incident seems to show that we have a long way to go in our society on this subject.

Why? you ask?

With comments like your "Whatever" comment above to my "escorted" vs. handcuffed comment is one example. It begins small... with words like this that downplays the seriousness of what actually happened. It was serious enough for those other customers to speak up and say something and at least try to defend the two men.





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Kind of hard to find one because white people don't usually come into an establishment and cause a ration of SHIT and don't buy anything!

A manager has the RIGHT to have anyone REMOVED from a place of business for ANY reason!

THATS THE LAW!

ASSHOLE!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

"Kind of hard to find one because white people don't usually come into an establishment and cause a ration of SHIT and don't buy anything! 

A manager has the RIGHT to have anyone REMOVED from a place of business for ANY reason! "

 

And you're still here?   

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Sorry IDIOT!

It's my JOB to come in here and cause a ration of shit with those that threaten our constitution and country....DAILY!

This isnt Starbucks!

They dont sell coffee here!

FOOL!



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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Congrats, you flailed around blindly and still somehow found your way to the point. Exactly, you don't hear about two white guys doing this because it isn't news. Racism isn't automatically assumed, people don't protest, and if anyone does happen to read about it in the local paper's police beat section or on the city arrest website posting, they write them off assholes or idiots.




Your whole statement is a little silly considering I would have used the exact same phrase if they had been white guys. I mean sure, you can find racial boogeymen anywhere if you try hard enough. Keep up the good work.


Edited: 04/19/2018 at 05:25 AM by miker

It isn't automatic.

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"If the two gentlemen had been white, would this even be a story?"

Probably not because they'd be allowed to sit their until closing?

But who knows... Where's that guy that used to do the sting operations attempting to support conservative notions that never proved to be true? Has he finally been thoroughly discredited?

That is not what I meant by that, and you know it. Let me be clear since you want to play with words, if two adult white men refused to leave a place of business where they weren't doing business when asked by a female employee and were arrested for trespassing, would it even be a story?

Well Miker just got KO'ed.

LOL

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OH CRAP CAPS! The actions have to be consistent otherwise there is a case for discrimination. If there is a lawsuit there will be some answers. Guessing the righties will again look like DOPES.

....so in all fairness....YALL ARE FULL OF SHIT!

AS USUAL!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

I already said that the officers were acting properly.

What is in question is why these guys were treated differently than the average Starbucks loiterer. What was special about them?

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They went to the bathroom BEFORE ordering anything.

I'm positive that was explained...aud nauseum.

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

I use the restroom before I order about 100% of the time. I wash my hands unlike you dirty ass crackers. Next excuse....

So do other people at Starbucks without getting arrested.

 

 

 

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When you dont leave when asked to leave...calling the police is a normal thing.

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Witness that took the video said that they asked to use the bathroom and were refused. Then they sat down and quietly waited. Then the police showed up. Then the friend they were waiting for showed up.

Witness also says that a woman came in and got the bathroom code without ordering anything.

Another person in the store apparently piped up and stated that she had been in the store for a couple of hours without buying anything.

The cops were called almost immediately after these guys asked for the bathroom code and then did not immediately leave after the bathroom access was refused.

Maybe all the witness are lying but it really sounds like these two receive special treatment.

 

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Guess you will just have to prove that crap.

Didn't hear ANYTHING LEGITIMATE about any woman getting the bathroom code without ordering.

Did hear something about a woman "Lauren" who didn't want to be named....CLAIM what she did.

She was the black woman who took the video of the arrest.

As for just being there not ordering...that's not against policy....getting the bathroom code without ordering is against policy.

Quit crossing facts!

The bathroom codes were refused to the two that did not order anything....corporate policy dictates that they are asked to leave.

They were also asked to leave three separate trimes by police....and didnt.

They REFUSED!

Everyone did what they were supposed to do.





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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/18/2018 at 08:06 PM by Fish Killer

Mellissa DePino took the video.

She isn't black.

Miker let this assumption slide too.

You said that they went to the bathroom without ordering.

Now you say they were refused the codes?

They went and sat off to the side after the refusal.

Why were the cops called so quickly?

 

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Mellissa DePino took the video.

She isn't black.

Miker let this assumption slide too.

You said that they went to the bathroom without ordering.

Now you say they were refused the codes?

They went and sat off to the side after the refusal.

Why were the cops called so quickly?

 

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I guess it HAS to be about race right? No other possibilities? Could it have simply been because they were men? Is it that far fetched that a woman would feel threatened by two men standing around and even more so when they refuse her request to leave her store? What if she had been sexually assaulted in the past? I mean she is a woman in THIS country, so the probability of it is pretty high. If you find out that she had been sexually assaulted in the past or had someone close to her that has, would you be so quick to assume race had anything to do with her asking them to leave? How about calling the cops when they refused?

The facts remain:

No charges were filed.

The CEO met with the men in person.

The manager was let go.

All Starbucks will be closed for training.

The reality? This was viewed as a racist incident and steps are being taken to right the wrong. You can bitch all you want, but it isn't going to change shit.

P.S. He Johnny, if you believe what you post, you should back it up by using your real name. Are you man enough?

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Love the made up hypothetical BS. Talk about victim blaming.... The moral of the story is starbucks owned up to having poorly trained employee that in fact did something wrong with racial bias. Not only did they own up to it they are going to close down 8000 stores to train people about racial and implicit bias. Which is what I've been trying to tell you all here multiple times. Everyone needs this kind of enlightenment. Some of you think you're not racist but you do not have a clear vision of what racism is and can be. You just want to dismiss it, a telltale sign of racism. Anyway, I applaud starbucks. They are doing the right thing. I'm very impressed.

They were standing around?

Woman that took the video of their arrest said they were sitting near her.

 

Falling into whataboutism?

Whatabout the other people in the store that were trying to figure out what the hell was going on when the cops showed up?

They seemed to indicate that there was no menacing going on.

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Quick, call Al Sharpton. I'm sure he'll have plenty of positive vibes and insightful ways we can all move past these troubling ''racist'' times. Patchouli for all mankind!! LOL get real, come up for air. Wake up peeps. The time for seeking out ways to be offended is over. Move on and stfu. stop making excuses for and defending bad behavior. buy something or get the f#ck out. plain and simple, a universal law. cry babies.

Huh? Clearly a wrong use of whataboutism on your part. I am not saying 'what about that' as a distraction technique.


I am saying 'what if' for the sake of not jumping to conclusions or making assumptions.


Your argument quality has gone down hill of late

What-if-ism then.

You can what if in any direction that you like and that is just speculation and assumption about the state of mind of the 9/11 caller. You chastise people for that but then you do it just for the sake of argument.

How about the timeline from when they entered the establishment to when the police were called?

How about what the store patrons?

You know, shit that actually happened and reports from people that were there and then work on figuring things out from that?

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hmmm, they were going to a real estate convention. dressed like that? hmmmm, waiting for a friend they said. did the alleged friend ever show? just looked like two guys soaking up some free wifi and got called on it. instead of being slightly intelligent and spending money in the establishment (which immediately squashes the whole thing) these two loitering fools decide johnny cochran will come to the rescue. EVERYTHING is racist these days. the word has become diluted and is now meaningless. 

Story I just read said that they were waiting for an aquaintence.

Yes. He's plainly seen in the video talking to the police. He is a nicely dressed white guy that is identified as a real estate investor.

It did not say that they were going to a convention.

 

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Source?

 

Friend showed up during the arrest and is on the video. He corroborated there story.

I notice Miker didn't question this assumption.

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What assumption didn't I question? What are you talking about?




Oh I get it, because I didn't respond right away you 'think' you caught me on something. I am not going to apologize for the 'bad key' error popping up, the general shitty performance of this site, and that I had a few other things to do than respond to you right away ...assuming I even read FKs posts to begin with. However you absolutely should apologize for having the expectation that I hang on your every word and have the time or inclination to spam refresh over and over awaiting your posts. Get over yourself bro.

No.

Nowhere did I chastize you for not responding to me right away.

The post of FKs to which I referred in which he incorrectly claimed that a black women took the video in Starbucks was posted late last night along with some golden goodies from Johnny and onegoodturn.

You posted a fair amount this morning and none of the posts attacked any of the FK, Johnny, onegoodturn assumptions.

Oh, and feel free to show me where I chastized you for failure to respond quickly. It didn't happen. Strange delusion.

 

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You rapid fired posts trying to call me out for not calling other people out. Why? I guess you are trying to make some obscure point about hypocrisy, but it really isn't working for you nor is it really valid. It isn't my job to call everyone out for every little assumption they make nor do I have the desire to do so. By all means, go for it though if it is your thing. There is a huge difference in the scope of a couple of people assuming things and this situation. Not even close. By all means though, continue down this road if you want.... or if I am wrong, actually say what the hell it is you are beating around the bush at.

Just observing a selective pattern.

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AND another Triggered thread runs it's course.

& MikeTrigger still don't get it

This one Miker. You ignored this incorrect assumption by onegoodturn.

 

 

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Umm ok. What am I supposed to call him on exactly? That he said something without knowing the situation? Ok. Why are are you trying to make it my job to call every poster out on assumptions being made?

Source?

Yes. He appears in the video.

The real estate developer they were there to meet showed up and corroborated their story that they were there to meet him.

So this assumption of yours is wrong.

They were there for 2 minutes before the cops were called. That is pretty damned fast. I know I have actually used the bathroom in a Starbucks and taken longer than that to make up my mind what to order.

That's one hardcore Starbucks there in Philadelphia.

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Painted a couple of rooms in our house while it was raining this weekend. I stopped at Sugar Shack in paint spattered cloths for a coffee red velvet cake doughnut on the way to Home Depot for another can of paint. People do sometimes go out in public in paint spattered clothing.

Did you know that they were meeting a realtor and that they were working on a property in the area as opposed to your suppositions?

 

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I'm afraid we're going to have to ask FishKiller to leave- he is annoying the other 2ndLight patrons with his All-Caps roidraging dribble and inane memes.


The door is that way.. don't make us taze you bro

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Racism and then censorship

Nice last two posts

Calling out your dirty ass crack is racist? Hmmm

You're such a nigger

...aaaand there it is.


Must have felt good to let it all out.


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Then their true colors shine....

Yeah, who deleted his posts? Don't delete that stuff. Let his light shine. 

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You should post a meme about it

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I spoke to the local Starbucks, Miker- they said they lurk on 2ndlight, read your posts and would be happy to have you at their upcoming training meeting.


FK, on the other hand, they don't want within 1000 feet of the building.

Theyve consulted with their attorneys on that one, and it was quickly determined to not be bias, but rather common sense.

Plus they don't have any triple wide seating.




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Cole, thanks for recapping the outcome and what has been getting broadcasted all over the news for days.

Again.

Mike, you're sure willing to argue at length in favor of ignoring what looks like implicit racism to the woke observer.

How about taking a moment to listen to Kamau Bell's experiences: http://www.cnn.com/2018/04/16/...ll-opinion/index.html


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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Actually no I am not Rusty. I am arguing against the automatic assumption of racism. I agree with you in regards to 'what it looks like'.

Speaking of implicit racism. Many people have automatically assumed that because the woman was white that she is a racist. Seems to be a very clear example of unconscious bias, expectation of racist intent, and belief in the tendency that because she is white she is automatically racist exhibited towards her by many people.... including some of those here.

Now it could very well that there was actual racism involved in this situation. However, without actual evidence, I am not going to 'assume' that this woman is racist or biased without knowing anything else about her or her intent.

From my perspective, Miker wins the debate. He has valid points that the rest of you refuse to consider. But I guess it is to be expected, liberals will never look at both sides of the coin.

Go team go.

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it figures. you're another known sleepwalking poster. Maybe you 2 can get a room?

Liberals never look at any side of the coin!

They only look at their agenda.

Mike smoked them due to this fact.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Valid points are not necessarily the facts though. This is the problem with his arguments, always. He makes stuff up, guesstimates, and uses hypothetical scenarios. However, the solid facts and evidence prove otherwise about 90% of the time with him. These are the same reasons you like your FOX news and Breitbart.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

What a POS!

That's exactly what YOU do!

Wow!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Nah, I'm based in reality. Don't follow fan fiction like you do.

Fucking Liar!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/black-racism-unchained/

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

That was a debate? Mike starts with the statement "I don't understand something" and no matter the information provided he still doesn't "understand". Y'all need to take your GED tests again, I'm guessing you may not pass this time around...

First I heard of this was his post that started this thread.

First thing I did was look it up to see if the "busy Starbucks" part of his 'understanding' held up. 

It did not. 

On the topic of common courtesy in the form of clearing out for paying customers. The old farts outside Osorio in the village. There's a couple of those guys that will sit on a table for hours smoking cigarettes. I thought they were bums. A couple of them may be bums that live on the boats that clog the harbor illegally dumping their shit with no pump-out agreement with any marina. But at least one of them lives in the high rent condo just north of 520.

Of course Osorio can't move them because those outdoor tables are on city property  and aren't in the restaurant. Butt, common courtesy would dictate that those guys go sit and smoke somewhere else so that people that want to order breakfast, brunch, or lunch could have a place to sit. But nope, they sit there and blow their delightful smoke on the paying customers while they bleet bleet bleet whatever was on talk radio or FOX news the day before. I guess to some they are part of the character of the village along with the spandex douches the mob the place after pretending to be Greg Lemond on Rockledge Drive on Sunday morning but I think they are dicks for clogging that space with their cigarette smoke for the balance of most mornings. 

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"Busy starbucks" doesn't matter. Starbucks prides themselves as being a friendly gathering place.

Starbucks website:

It's not unusual to see people coming to Starbucks to chat, meet up or even work. We're a neighborhood gathering place, a part of the daily routine - and we couldn't be happier about it. Get to know us and you'll see: we are so much more than what we brew.

But none of this matters. Starbucks admitted fault and not only apologized but moved forward by training their employees so this wouldn't happen again. So all this speculation, what ifs, etc etc doesn't mean crap. The truth came out and it is over. Nothing miker, FK, or anyone else wishes, believes or things will change these facts.

Just a bunch of flailing going on in the typical troll threads...

It didn't look full in the video.

None of the other people there indicated that it was full and they needed to make room for customers.

Other people don't seem to have even noticed the guys until the cops show up. 

I guess one of the other people there is lying when she attests that she had been there for hours tapping away on her laptop without bother.

If it is Simply Delicious and there's a line waited to be seated then you step out. That isn't the way it works at Starbucks unless that one in Philadelphia is really strange.

Why did you automatically assume that it was full/crowded and that the guys were making themselves a nuisance?

They were apparently there for 2 minutes before the cops were called.

 

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I do find this hysterical though as I really could give a shit about Starbucks!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.