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Topic Title: Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"
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Created On: 02/12/2019 06:20 AM
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 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - 3rdworldlover - 02/12/2019 06:20 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - Sniper - 02/12/2019 06:41 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - tpapablo - 02/12/2019 07:03 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - fishkller - 02/12/2019 06:51 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - 3rdworldlover - 02/12/2019 07:37 PM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - RiddleMe - 02/13/2019 03:37 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - dingpatch - 02/13/2019 03:56 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - Sniper - 02/13/2019 05:28 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - johnnyboy - 02/12/2019 06:58 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - fishkller - 02/12/2019 07:50 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - RustyTruck - 02/13/2019 06:47 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - RiddleMe - 02/13/2019 07:01 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - johnnyboy - 02/13/2019 07:02 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - RiddleMe - 02/13/2019 07:10 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - Sniper - 02/13/2019 07:17 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - 3rdworldlover - 02/13/2019 07:29 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - Sniper - 02/13/2019 07:44 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - wbsponger - 02/13/2019 08:18 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - RustyTruck - 02/13/2019 07:52 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - Sniper - 02/13/2019 08:04 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - Sniper - 02/13/2019 08:09 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - 3rdworldlover - 02/13/2019 09:30 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those   - all3 - 02/13/2019 09:50 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - Fish Killer - 02/13/2019 08:07 AM  
 Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"   - RiddleMe - 02/13/2019 08:22 AM  
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3rdworldlover

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"Things are much more serious: we meddle with your brains, we change your conscience - and you have no clue what to do about it".
 02/12/2019 06:41 AM
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Sniper

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Hard to argue with that.
 02/12/2019 07:03 AM
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tpapablo

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He's half right. They certainly messed with the progs' minds.

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They've done a number on the USA, that's for sure..

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3rdworldlover

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Propaganda doesn't get much more obvious than this, but it still works. I saw a Q sticker on a car today, of course Trump and church stickers too.

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RiddleMe

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it is working. they are manipulating us into impotence from within, maybe into self destruction as a nation. it is telling when the biggest enemy is trumpsters or perhaps progressives depending on your flavor of politics, rather than outside influencers and enemy nations. many are so quick to point fingers at cons for being manipulated and influenced without realizing our side was manipulated just as bad, if not more so. they have been propagating hatred towards our neighbors, raising fear and mistrust, and sewing racial discord.
 02/13/2019 03:56 AM
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No, not the Russians. The "Face Book" mentality is the root of all our evils.
 02/13/2019 05:28 AM
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: dingpatch

No, not the Russians. The "Face Book" mentality is the root of all our evils.


What about Facebook do you think is tearing the country apart? As annoying as Facebook and social media has become, with everyone trying to become their own celebrity and going to places/events for the sole purpose of taking selfies to show other people they were there instead of being present, at least you know who you are talking to. Twitter is a complete wasteland and Snapchat is for children and mongoloids.

I think social media is more of a distraction from real life. People are getting addicted to getting "likes" from people they hardly know instead of going outside and living. It's f'ing garbage.

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The devil's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't even exist.

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 02/12/2019 07:50 AM
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^^^ There's our Pattycakes!

Dancin away.. you silly goose!

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 02/13/2019 06:47 AM
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There's far too much uncurated information available to people. A bad actor can easily create a false or misleading narrative that preys on the prejudices of a particular group and manipulate them for foreign purposes.

The purpose is to destabilize the country, and it's working better than they probably imagined it would.

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false or misleading narratives yes. also sensationalizing and over blowing truths with the same purpose in mind
 02/13/2019 07:02 AM
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It's funny that the people who deny collusion want to blame Facebook like a fat kid eating ice cream blames the spoon.

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 02/13/2019 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy It's funny that the people who deny collusion want to blame Facebook like a fat kid eating ice cream blames the spoon.
dont find that to be true at all. most people i know rightfully blaming the propagation of misinformation, falsities, and sensationalism on social media like facebook are the same exact people the believe there is collusion. usually it is the die hard trumpersters that both deny manipulation and collusion. funny, the trumpsters deny being manipulated and most of the opposition is oblivious to all of it that happens to us.

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 02/13/2019 07:17 AM
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

It's funny that the people who deny collusion want to blame Facebook like a fat kid eating ice cream blames the spoon.


I'm sure I'm wrong because there is a wealth of stupidity in this country but I can't imagine that anyone decides who to vote for based on what they read on Facebook.
 02/13/2019 07:29 AM
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It's used to steer political discourse and shape false perceptions. Immigration became the most discussed issue beginning in 2016, following a decade long trend of declining immigration and increased enforcement, because of their work.
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

It's used to steer political discourse and shape false perceptions. Immigration became the most discussed issue beginning in 2016, following a decade long trend of declining immigration and increased enforcement, because of their work.


You think it was all Facebook? You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that 13% of our prison population is here illegally? What about the thousands murdered by illegals or the tens of thousands that are sexually assaulted by them each year?

I don't understand how you can know anyone who was murdered or assaulted by an illegal alien without thinking to yourself that it didn't have to happen and could have totally been prevented if our country had only enforced its own laws and border.
 02/13/2019 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper
Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover It's used to steer political discourse and shape false perceptions. Immigration became the most discussed issue beginning in 2016, following a decade long trend of declining immigration and increased enforcement, because of their work.
You think it was all Facebook? You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that 13% of our prison population is here illegally? What about the thousands murdered by illegals or the tens of thousands that are sexually assaulted by them each year? I don't understand how you can know anyone who was murdered or assaulted by an illegal alien without thinking to yourself that it didn't have to happen and could have totally been prevented if our country had only enforced its own laws and border.
I think it is a hot button issue that is blown out of proportion. Obviously a certain percentage of people who come illegally will.commit crimes, some violent. American citizens also commit lots of crimes, some violent. The position that we should strengthen border is reasonable certainly, but how? Our border is huge. The constant memes on Facebook etc with scary pictures of immigrants and stories of them killing attractive younger white girls while in the individual instance may or may not be true depending on case, they are disingenuous over simplifications of a complex issue designed to rile the base and/or sow division within our country depending on if it is cynical political operatives or foreign operatives doing the creation and spreading.
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Illegal immigration peaked in 2008. You're being played.

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 02/13/2019 08:04 AM
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I'd like to keep it declining. In fact, I would like it to be 0.

I want us to take all the legal immigrants that we need but our government needs to be in the drivers seat. We need to be able to do what benefits our country, just like every other country does that is worth relocating to. Allowing millions of unskilled, uneducated, people to cross your border whenever they want to is just pure stupidity.
 02/13/2019 08:09 AM
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Just because illiegal immigration started to decline when the economy took a shit doesn't mean that it won't go back up. Also, whether it is declining or not has nothing to do with the fact that thousands of people lost their lives or were sexually assaulted last year that didn't have to be.
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Just because illiegal immigration started to decline when the economy took a shit doesn't mean that it won't go back up. Also, whether it is declining or not has nothing to do with the fact that thousands of people lost their lives or were sexually assaulted last year that didn't have to be.



A recent studyof crime statistics in Texas by the libertarian Cato Institute found that illegal immigrants are far less likely to be arrested or convicted of all crimes, even though they are much less likely to have access to legal representation. The conviction rate for all crimes was 50% of native-born Americans. Similar statistics are published in other studies.

Based on facts and statistics, increasing immigration, even illegal immigrantion, would lower the crime rates in the USA.

Further, the rate of immigration as a percentage of US population over the last decade is about the same or lower than the average for the last century.

Find another justification for the immigration "crisis."
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Originally posted by: Sniper Just because illiegal immigration started to decline when the economy took a shit doesn't mean that it won't go back up. Also, whether it is declining or not has nothing to do with the fact that thousands of people lost their lives or were sexually assaulted last year that didn't have to be.
So how is building a wall going to help with the opioid crisis? And a president who says just grab em by the pussy going to help with reducing sexual assualt

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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Illegal immigration peaked in 2008. You're being played.


Well thats a bald faced lie as accurate data hasn't been available since 2006.

"Between 10.7 and 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the U.S. as of 2016, the most recent year for which data is available."

AND...asylum seekers and those waiting for a court date (and disappear) arent counted.



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Edited: 02/13/2019 at 08:08 AM by Fish Killer
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Illegal immigration peaked in 2008.
obama's stance on illegal immigration helped with that, not to mention the 600m boost he provided in 2010. of course there are other reasons for that too, like economy as was mentioned. border security isnt an issue just for trump voters. plenty of non progressive democrats want it too, just via different methodology

Edited: 02/13/2019 at 08:24 AM by RiddleMe
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