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Between 2007 and 2016, violent crime decreased slightly and similarly across most areas, regardless of whether the undocumented population rose or fell.

A large majority of the areas recorded decreases in both violent and property crime between 2007 and 2016, consistent with a quarter-century decline in crime across the United States. The analysis found that crime went down at similar rates regardless of whether the undocumented population rose or fell. Areas with more unauthorized migration appeared to have larger drops in crime, although the difference was small and uncertain.

Also: As of 2016, there were an estimated 10.7 million undocumented immigrants nationwide, down a million and a half since 2007.

http://www.nytimes.com/2019/05...tories&pgtype=Homepage
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Sorry, fellow, the NYT? You have to be kidding! They are the ones that were the primary driver of the Russian Collusion hoax. Thus, they have shown that they are happy to bias their coverage by personal or editorial beliefs. As the NYT has been pro-immigration, it is almost a certainty that this represents false reporting. I have used up my 10 free views of the NYT this month, so I couldn't look at the article or study. Otherwise, I'd point out the flaws in the study,

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The study was by the Marshall Project, and the results are consistent with similar studies by at least two other organizations.
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

The study was by the Marshall Project, and the results are consistent with similar studies by at least two other organizations.


So what!

If there were NO illegal immigrants there would be a lot less crime...let alone the 25 murders of United States Citizens committed currently by ILLEGAL ALIENS..... PER DAY!

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According to DHS status indicators, over 289,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and April 30, 2019, of which over 196,000 were classified as illegal aliens by DHS.
Over the course of their entire Texas criminal careers, these 196,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 481,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 1,040 homicide charges; 53,979 assault charges; 15,237 burglary charges; 61,917 drug charges; 726 kidnapping charges; 29,548 theft charges; 42,187 obstructing police charges; 3,598 robbery charges; 5,783 sexual assault charges; 7,065 sexual offense charges; and 6,938 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 220,000 convictions including 485 homicide convictions; 23,397 assault convictions; 7,924 burglary convictions; 31,971 drug convictions; 293 kidnapping convictions; 13,941 theft convictions; 21,219 obstructing police convictions; 1,980 robbery convictions; 3,048 sexual assault convictions; 3,780 sexual offense convictions; and 3,103 weapon convictions.

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By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Friday, January 26, 2018
The crime rate among illegal immigrants in Arizona is twice that of other residents, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday, citing a new report based on conviction data.
The report, from the Crime Prevention Research Center, used a previously untapped set of data from Arizona that detailed criminal convictions and found that illegal immigrants between 15 and 35 are less than 3 percent of the state's population, but nearly 8 percent of its prison population.
And the crimes they were convicted of were, on the whole, more serious, said John R. Lott Jr., the report's author and president of the research center. His findings also challenge the general narrative that immigrants commit fewer crimes. Those past studies usually don't look at legal versus illegal populations, Mr. Lott said.
Mr. Lott said the Arizona data is able to peek behind that curtain, and the differences between the populations were stark.
"There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups," Mr. Lott said. "The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population. The reverse is true for undocumented immigrants - they are committing crimes, and more serious crimes."
Among nearly 4,000 first- and second-degree murder convictions, undocumented immigrants accounted for nearly 13 percent - significantly higher than their percentage of the population. Legal immigrants, by contrast, were less than 1 percent of convicts. Native-born made up the rest.

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All are far lower rates than native born Americans in Texas.

The criminal conviction rate for native-born Americans in Texas was 2,116 per 100,000 natives in 2016 (Figure 1). The native-born criminal conviction rate was thus 2.4 times as high as the criminal conviction rate for illegal immigrants in that year and 7.2 times as high as that of legal immigrants.

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They don't understand rates. I don't know why but they don't.

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Originally posted by: scombrid

They don't understand rates. I don't know why but they don't.


one felony is one too many kapiche?
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Originally posted by: cheaterfiveo

Originally posted by: scombrid



They don't understand rates. I don't know why but they don't.




one felony is one too many kapiche?

One mass shooting is one too many, kapiche?


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I suppose tell all those stupid dems shootin shit up to stop kapiche?
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Originally posted by: cheaterfiveo

I suppose tell all those stupid dems shootin shit up to stop kapiche?


He even spells Italian words wrong.
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Hi, just restating the facts for those that fell for the Trump/Putin propaganda:

There are fewer undocumented immigrants living in the USA than 10 years ago.

The rate of immigration from the southern border is lower than the average rate for the last century.

Undocumented immigrants don't increase violent crime rates, in fact, their presence has the opposite effect.

Undocumented Immigrants, primarily extremely impoverished people from Central America, come here to work and pay taxes without collecting benefits. They are floating social security with billions paid in annually.

There is no immigration crisis.
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover


There are fewer undocumented immigrants living in the USA than 10 years ago.



Liar!

There has been no census of undocumented ILLEGAL immigrants!

Fool!

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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

The rate of immigration from the southern border is lower than the average rate for the last century.


Again...LIAR!

The flow over the border is at an all time CRISIS high....

FACT!

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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

Undocumented immigrants don't increase violent crime rates


LIAR!

They arent supposed to be here...

THEY ARE ILLEGAL!

They murder 25 American Citizens per day currently!

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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

Undocumented Immigrantscome here to work and pay taxes without collecting benefits.


LIAR!

http://thefederalistpapers.org...egal-immigration-state

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Fake site. Try again.

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Originally posted by: Cole

Fake site. Try again.


No...you're a fake human!

The site is just fine!

MORON!


NEW MAP: The Cost of Illegal Immigration, By State
By Brian Thomas
Published December 1, 2017 at 5:35pm

A new map posted by HowMuch.net breaks down the economic toll of illegal immigrants state by state, and their findings are extremely troubling.

Using information gathered from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, How Much's map shows how much money illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers on a state-by-state basis.

California is most devastated by the heavy toll, with a whopping $23 billion in that state alone.

States closer to the Mexican border are most affected, but several states throughout the country still pay billions to support illegal immigrants through education, welfare, law enforcement, and medical care.

Here's the breakdown, provided by HowMuch.net:

The map doesn't include federal costs.
According to the Washington Examiner, when federal costs are included, illegal immigrants cost $135 billion a year.

Liberals like to justify their opposition to the deportation of illegal immigrants due to their estimations of initial costs for actually enforcing our federal immigration laws.

But considering that current data suggests over a trillion dollars spent supporting illegal immigrants a decade, leftist arguments that deportation is too expensive crumble rather quickly.

Furthermore, Democrats like to point out that illegal immigrants pay some taxes, such as sales tax. According to the social security administration, about 3.4 million illegal immigrants (out of 11.1 million people illegally residing in the U.S.) pay social security taxes.

However, the How Much map takes into account taxes paid by illegal immigrants. So the costs represented on the map fall entirely to legal U.S. residents' taxes.

The Washington Examiner continues:
The costs cover added expenditures for education, welfare, law enforcement, and medical care.
When federal costs are included, the price tag nationally soars to $135 billion a year.

FAIR's data also includes the offset of taxes paid by illegal immigrants, though the numbers are much lower. In the state and local column, they are $3.5 billion. Nationally they are $15 billion.
Overall, costs associated with illegal immigrants is much higher for state and local governments than the federal government. States pay $89 billion, Uncle Sam $46 billion.

Below are the ten states most heavily weighed by the cost of illegal immigration:

1. California - $23,038,125,353
2. Texas - $10,994,614,550
3. New York - $7,489,141,357
4. Florida - $6,290,429,108
5. New Jersey - $4,466,838,574
6. Illinois - $3,220,767,517
7. Georgia - $2,487,719,503
8. North Carolina - $2,437,965,113
9. Maryland - $2,378,996,947
10. Arizona - $2,314,131,964

HowMuch.net also explains why some states are more heavily affected than others, citing proximity to the border and overall population:

First, states that spend the most on illegal immigration tend to be located close to Mexico. Looking at out map, the two states with the highest expenditures are California ($23B) and Texas ($11B), both sharing long borders with Mexico. In fact, there's a cluster of dark red states stretching along the Southwest. States closest to the phenomenon pay the most as a result.

Second, states with higher population levels tend to spend more than their less populated counterparts. You can see a group of high-expenditure states clustered around the Northeast, not to mention Illinois and Florida. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, California and Texas are also the two most populous states in the country. High population levels and proximity to Mexico act like a double-whammy for illegal immigration expenses.

Now take a look at the places with relatively low levels of expenditures for illegal immigration, the light blue states. They are all located far away from the U.S.-Mexico border with relatively small population levels. West Virginia is perhaps an exceptional state, seeing that it is surrounded by red and dark red. We can speculate that this is likely due to the fact that West Virginia has a struggling economy which actually contracted last year.

Are Democrats willing to continue this sort of spending for years to come?


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FAIR leaders have ties to white supremacist groups and eugenicists and have made many racist statements. Its advertisements have been rejected because of racist content. FAIR's founder, John Tanton, has expressed his wish that America remain a majority-white population: a goal to be achieved, presumably, by limiting the number of nonwhites who enter the country. One of the group's main goals is upending the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which ended a decades-long, racist quota system that limited immigration mostly to northern Europeans. FAIR President Dan Stein has called the Act a "mistake."

In its own words

"As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion?"
- FAIR founder and board member John Tanton, Oct. 10, 1986

"I've come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that."
- John Tanton, letter to eugenicist and ecology professor Garrett Hardin (now deceased), Dec. 10, 1993

"I blame ninety-eight percent of responsibility for this country's immigration crisis on Ted Kennedy and his political allies, who decided some time back in 1958, earlier perhaps, that immigration was a great way to retaliate against Anglo-Saxon dominance and hubris, and the immigration laws from the 1920s were just this symbol of that, and it's a form of revengism, or revenge, that these forces continue to push the immigration policy that they know full well are [sic] creating chaos and will continue to create chaos down the line."
- FAIR President Dan Stein, "Oral History of the Federation for American Immigration Reform," interview of Dan Stein by John Tanton, August 1994.

"Do we leave it to individuals to decide that they are the intelligent ones who should have more kids? And more troublesome, what about the less intelligent, who logically should have less? Who is going to break the bad news [to less intelligent individuals], and how will it be implemented?"
- John Tanton, letter to eugenicist Robert K. Graham (now deceased), Sept. 18, 1996.

"Immigrants don't come all church-loving, freedom-loving, God-fearing ... Many of them hate America, hate everything that the United States stands for. Talk to some of these Central Americans."
- FAIR President Dan Stein, interviewed by Tucker Carlson, Oct. 2, 1997.
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I have posted this ad nauseum. dotard's simply do not have the intellectual capacity to process this type of info. it's the dumbing down of america at work...

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Originally posted by: wtf

I have posted this ad nauseum. dotard's simply do not have the intellectual capacity to process this type of info. it's the dumbing down of america at work...


You do realize that illegal immigrants are in fact fucking ILLEGAL...right?!?!

They arent supposed to be here!

Libtards just dont get it....I've posted it ad nauseum!

Libtards are already dumbing down America...with your BULLSHIT!

Illegal Aliens legally arent supposed to be here!

PERIOD!

Therefore their criminality isn't a comparison to anything other than the FACT that ALL of it shouldn't happen!

FOOL!

25 United States Citizens are killed EVERY DAY by foreign ILLEGAL people that dont belong here!

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TO END IT AND GET THESE ASSHOLES OUT OF OUR COUNTRY?!?!





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We need them to do the work Americans won't do. If you doubt me, please explain why they continue to leave all the migrant workers through out the US alone? Watermelons are in full harvest from Lake Wales to Okeechobee and there are buses full of workers. They are fish in a bus shaped barrel and easy pickings, if they are such a danger, why leave them alone?

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Originally posted by: Cole

We need them to do the work Americans won't do.


Thats a fucking lie!

Oh wait...that what you do!

IQ79 strikes again!

http://thenationalsentinel.com...ans-wont-do-is-a-myth/

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I can take you to a dozen farms and dairies to show you the truth and the link you posted says more than half of the farm workers are illegals, but that point is moot. There are bus loads of them all over Central Florida right now and ICE could clean them out at any time. If they are such a danger, as you and Trump proclaim, why aren't they swept up and deported?

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Originally posted by: Cole

I can take you to a dozen farms and dairies to show you the truth and the link you posted says more than half of the farm workers are illegals, but that point is moot. There are bus loads of them all over Central Florida right now and ICE could clean them out at any time. If they are such a danger, as you and Trump proclaim, why aren't they swept up and deported?


Yo...DUMBASS...

What part of...'IT"S A FUCKING LIE' dont you understand?!?!

IQ79 strikes again!

http://cis.org/Report/There-Ar...Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: Cole



I can take you to a dozen farms and dairies to show you the truth and the link you posted says more than half of the farm workers are illegals, but that point is moot. There are bus loads of them all over Central Florida right now and ICE could clean them out at any time. If they are such a danger, as you and Trump proclaim, why aren't they swept up and deported?




Yo...DUMBASS...



What part of...'IT"S A FUCKING LIE' dont you understand?!?!



IQ79 strikes again!



http://cis.org/Report/There-Ar...Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do


accounting for half or more of some types of farm laborers

- from your post

But again, that's not the point...they are all over Central Florida right now and could be rounded up with very little effort. Why is that not happening? According to Trump, they pose a constant danger, so wouldn't it make sense to round them up and deport them back to their home countries?

Or is there a reason they are left alone?

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Huh, I wonder why this happened?

http://www.politifact.com/flor...igration-law-florida/

A little bird says that Scott got a visit from the grove and farm owners.

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Politifact---liberal news source, totally biased!

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Originally posted by: crankit Politifact---liberal news source, totally biased!
Okay. So why didn't Rick Scott kick out all the illegals from Florida then?

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I used to work on an ornamental tree farm. Grunts were mostly high school drop outs and assorted scumbags. It was a good first job for a 14 year old kid that was proud to have blooded hands at the end of the day from picking at the hard pack clay. Our turnover was terrible. Good god then the illegals got into the trade. That happened about the time I moved up into running crews. You could get more work out of Jose in a day than five rent-a-drunks in a week. So that is the entire industry now. You have a whitey or two or a 2nd or 3rd generation hispanic with a degree from UF running work crews that are almost entirely immigrants of questionable work status but they work their asses off because they are hungry and they have hungry families back home. I don't see why you can't hand out work Visa's like candy. You document them and make the the people that employ them pay them a fair wage and pay for the program to administer the VISAs. If their labor is still competitive in the marketplace after those corrections then so be it. They get to stay here and work as long as they don't break the criminal code and as long as they work. Long hiatus from work and they get booted. Isn't any reason for the ladies slinging tacos and cleaning hotel rooms in Fellsmere to get kicked out.

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Originally posted by: scombrid

I used to work on an ornamental tree farm. Grunts were mostly high school drop outs and assorted scumbags. It was a good first job for a 14 year old kid that was proud to have blooded hands at the end of the day from picking at the hard pack clay. Our turnover was terrible. Good god then the illegals got into the trade. That happened about the time I moved up into running crews. You could get more work out of Jose in a day than five rent-a-drunks in a week. So that is the entire industry now. You have a whitey or two or a 2nd or 3rd generation hispanic with a degree from UF running work crews that are almost entirely immigrants of questionable work status but they work their asses off because they are hungry and they have hungry families back home.

I don't see why you can't hand out work Visa's like candy. You document them and make the the people that employ them pay them a fair wage and pay for the program to administer the VISAs. If their labor is still competitive in the marketplace after those corrections then so be it. They get to stay here and work as long as they don't break the criminal code and as long as they work. Long hiatus from work and they get booted. Isn't any reason for the ladies slinging tacos and cleaning hotel rooms in Fellsmere to get kicked out.


Amen to that.





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Originally posted by: scombrid

They get to stay here and work as long as they don't break the criminal code and as long as they work.


THEY ARE FUCKING ILLEGAL!!!!!

WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!

MORON!!!!!!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: scombrid



They get to stay here and work as long as they don't break the criminal code and as long as they work.




THEY ARE FUCKING ILLEGAL!!!!!



WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!



MORON!!!!!!


That can be changed with the swipe of a pen. Hell, if Democrats retake everything, it will be done the right way through congress. Unless there are enough of the obstructionist Republicans to set another filibuster record.



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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



Originally posted by: scombrid







They get to stay here and work as long as they don't break the criminal code and as long as they work.








THEY ARE FUCKING ILLEGAL!!!!!







WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!







MORON!!!!!!




That can be changed with the swipe of a pen.


NO...it would take CONGRESS!

LIAR!

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Executive Order or tell Homeland Security to fast track work visas. Not that that will ever happen, they love the cheap labor.



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Originally posted by: Cole

Executive Order or tell Homeland Security to fast track work visas. Not that that will ever happen, they love the cheap labor.


That wont make them LEGAL!

MORON!

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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



Originally posted by: Cole







I can take you to a dozen farms and dairies to show you the truth and the link you posted says more than half of the farm workers are illegals, but that point is moot. There are bus loads of them all over Central Florida right now and ICE could clean them out at any time. If they are such a danger, as you and Trump proclaim, why aren't they swept up and deported?








Yo...DUMBASS...







What part of...'IT"S A FUCKING LIE' dont you understand?!?!







IQ79 strikes again!







http://cis.org/Report/There-Ar...Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do




accounting for half or more of some types of farm laborers



- from your post



But again, that's not the point...they are all over Central Florida right now and could be rounded up with very little effort. Why is that not happening? According to Trump, they pose a constant danger, so wouldn't it make sense to round them up and deport them back to their home countries?



Or is there a reason they are left alone?


Yo...SHIT FOR BRAINS!!!!!!

Taking one third of one sentence does NOT make facts!

It makes FAKE NEWS!

LIAR!

NEXT TIME POST ALL OF THE SENTANCE LET ALONE WHOLE PARAGRAPHS!!!!!!!

MORON!!!!!!!!!!!

"If immigrants "do jobs that Americans won't do", we should be able to identify occupations in which the workers are nearly all foreign-born. However, among the 474 separate occupations defined by the Department of Commerce, we find only a handful of majority-immigrant occupations, and none completely dominated by immigrants (legal or illegal). Furthermore, in none of the 474 occupations do illegal immigrants constitute a majority of workers.
Notable findings:
Of the 474 civilian occupations, only six are majority immigrant (legal and illegal). These six occupations account for 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans still comprise 46 percent of workers in these occupations.
There are no occupations in the United States in which a majority of workers are illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants work mostly in construction, cleaning, maintenance, food service, garment manufacturing, and agricultural occupations. However, the majority of workers even in these areas are either native-born or legal immigrants.
Only 4 percent of illegal immigrants and 2 percent of all immigrants do farm work. Immigrants (legal and illegal) do make up a large share of agricultural workers - accounting for half or more of some types of farm laborers - but all agricultural workers together constitute less than 1 percent of the American work force.
Many occupations often thought to be worked overwhelmingly by immigrants (legal and illegal) are in fact majority native-born:
Maids and housekeepers: 51 percent native-born
Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 54 percent native-born
Butchers and meat processors: 64 percent native-born
Grounds maintenance workers: 66 percent native-born
Construction laborers: 65 percent native-born
Janitors: 73 percent native-born
There are 65 occupations in which 25 percent or more of the workers are immigrants (legal and illegal). In these high-immigrant occupations, there are still 16.5 million natives - accounting for one out of eight natives in the labor force.
High-immigrant occupations (25 percent or more immigrant) are primarily, but not exclusively, lower-wage jobs that require relatively little formal education.
In high-immigrant occupations, 54 percent of the natives in those occupations have no education beyond high school, compared to 30 percent of the rest of the labor force.
Natives tend to have high unemployment in high-immigrant occupations, averaging 9.8 percent during the 2012-2016 period, compared to 5.6 percent in the rest of the labor force. There were a total of 1.8 million unemployed native-born Americans in high-immigrant occupations.
The stereotype that native-born workers in high-immigrant occupations are mostly older, with few young natives willing to do such work, is largely inaccurate. In fact, 34 percent of natives in high-immigrant occupations are age 30 or younger, compared to 29 percent of natives in the rest of labor force.
Not all high-immigrant occupations are lower-skilled. For example, 38 percent of software engineers are immigrants, as are 28 percent of physicians.
A number of politically influential groups face very little job competition from immigrants (legal and illegal). For example, only 7 percent of lawyers and judges and 7 percent of farmers and ranchers are immigrants, as are at most 9 percent of English-language reporters and correspondents.1"

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The difference between illegal and legal immigrants is their inability/ability to pay for citizenship.
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

The difference between illegal and legal immigrants is their inability/ability to pay for citizenship.


Thats a bald faced lie!

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You're safer in Fellsmere than in Paisley, a lot of nasty hollows in Appalashia, Apopka, etc... Fellsmere has a lot of something those places don't. I buy tacos from that something every time I'm in Fellsmere. If you add 1/100 to 1/10 the numerator increases but so does the denominator. Rates matter when considering risk assessment based policy positions.

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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

The difference between illegal and legal immigrants is their inability/ability to pay for citizenship.


not really, the difference is that one follows the law; another jumps in line, uses fake ids and uses taxpayer money to fund their family
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Originally posted by: cheaterfiveo

Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover



The difference between illegal and legal immigrants is their inability/ability to pay for citizenship.




not really, the difference is that one follows the law; another jumps in line, uses fake ids and uses taxpayer money to fund their family


Yes, really, and those that can't afford to immigrate legally come here to work.

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Once again the dotards have 'spoken' yet have said nothing...know what e-verify is? I do...

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If there's no respect for the law at the top, I don't see any reason why refugees should be bothered with it.

If I were intent on coming to the USA, I'd get here any way I could. If I have the opportunity to help someone in that situation, I surely will.

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Not a coincidence that President Trump is set to unveil a new immigration plan today that would drastically change the legal immigration system to favor wealthy and primarily European immigrants, and make it even more impossible for our impoverished Latin American neighbors to immigrate legally. It also completely ignores the millions of children living here undocumented.

http://www.npr.org/2019/05/16/...s&utm_content=20190516
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FAIR is a hate group. Nothing they say has any credibility and their studies have been debunked by Cato, The Heartland Center, and Pew.

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FAIR is a hate group. Nothing they say has any credibility and their studies have been debunked by Cato, The Heartland Center, and Pew.


Well lets see....here is another one stating the federal cost back in 2013 was 54.5 Billion!

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
May 6, 2013 Over an hour read Download Report
Authors:
Jason Richwine, Ph.D. and Robert Rector
Summary
This paper provides a fiscal distribution analysis of households headed by unlawful immigrants: individuals who reside in the U.S. in violation of federal law. The paper measures the total government benefits and services received by unlawful immigrant households and the total taxes paid. The difference between benefits received and taxes paid represents the total resources transferred by government on behalf of unlawful immigrants from the rest of society.
Key Takeaways
There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.
Amnesty for unlawful immigrants can pose large fiscal costs for U.S. taxpayers including public education, welfare benefits, and other benefits and services.
Policymakers must ensure that the interaction of welfare and other financial transfer programs with immigration does not expand the fiscally dependent population.

http://www.heritage.org/immigr...mnesty-the-us-taxpayer

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The Cost Of Illegal Immigration

by Tyler Durden
Tue, 02/06/2018 - 20:10

Authored by Ruthie Blum via The Gatestone Institute,
In his State of the Union address on January 30, US President Donald J. Trump referred to the brutal murder of two 16-year-old girls from Long Island in December 2016 by members of the "savage MS-13 gang," responsible for a spate of other gruesome killings in the area, as well.
Many of these gang members, he explained, had entered the United States illegally. "For decades, open borders have allowed drugs and gangs to pour into our most vulnerable communities," he said.
Calling on Congress "to finally close the deadly loopholes that have allowed... criminal gangs to break into our country," he listed the four pillars of his immigration-reform proposal:

A path to citizenship for 1.8 million illegal immigrants who were brought to America by their parents.
The construction of a "great wall on the southern border" and enforcement by agents patrolling and securing the border.
Ending the visa lottery, "a program that randomly plans out green cards without regard for skill, merit, for the safety of American people."
Ending the "current, broken system" of chain migration of distant relatives, and limiting sponsorships to spouses and minor children.
Although he did not specify this in his speech, Trump reportedly is seeking $25 billion from Congress to fund the wall. Opponents of the wall have been arguing that illegal immigrants do not commit crimes at a higher rate than legal immigrants or native-born Americans; that illegal immigration has been a boon to the economy, rather than a drain on it; and that the cost both of deportation and a wall far exceeds the benefits of both. These claims are repeatedly voiced by the Trump administration's detractors, as part of their campaign to accuse the president of racism; but what are the facts?
To set the record straight, let us take a look at a number of those that have been obscured or ignored by the media.
As far as the cost of the wall is concerned, a study released in September 2017 by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) reveals that, "At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens." This, the report says, is a nearly $3 billion increase in the cost since 2013. It is also rather more than the single payment of $25 billion that it will cost to build a wall - five and a half times more, and every year.


Pictured: The US-Mexico border fence near San Diego, California. (Image source: US Customs and Border Protection)

The same goes for the cost of deporting illegal immigrants. According to Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies,
"...The average cost of a deportation is much smaller than the net fiscal drain created by the average illegal immigrant," in part due to the fact that "illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have modest levels of education - most have not completed high school or have only a high school education...creating more in costs for government than they pay in taxes."
The question of the rates of criminality among illegal aliens vs. those of legal immigrants and American-born citizens has been examined by John R. Lott, Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, using Arizona's prison population as a microcosm for study. According to Lott, the ability to measure the crime-rate among illegal immigrants in the U.S. has been difficult, due to many factors, including the lack of a national data base and "primitive" methodology - such as "simple, cross-sectional analysis to see whether areas with higher immigrant populations have higher crime rates," and "a purely time series approach... look at the United States as a whole and note that crime has decreased since 1990 as immigration has increased." The advantage of the Arizona Department of Corrections study, Lott says, is that
"over our 32.5-year period, we know each prisoner who entered the prison system, their criminal convictions history, and whether he is a documented or undocumented immigrant. The only mystery is why this type of data has not been utilized until now."
Peter Kirsanow wryly solved the mystery in National Review, writing:
"Unfortunately, almost every public official not named Jeff Sessions guards against disclosure of illegal-immigrant crime data more tenaciously than disclosure of nuclear launch codes."
According to Lott, whose research spans 1985-2017:
"Arizona's prison population data allow us to compare undocumented immigrants' share of the prison population with their estimated share of the state population...For the first time, we break down the data to examine differences between US citizens, undocumented immigrants, and legal permanent residents. One advantage of using convictions rather than just reported crimes is that convictions depend on a 'beyond a reasonable doubt' standard of evidence and thus are much less likely to count innocent people."
The findings are unequivocal, as the following summary illustrates:
"Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans. They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10.5% longer sentences, more likely to be classified as dangerous, and 45% more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens...There are dramatic differences between in the criminal histories of convicts who are U.S. citizens and undocumented immigrants...
"[Y]oung undocumented immigrants commit crime at twice the rate of young U.S. citizens. These undocumented immigrants also tend to commit more serious crimes. If undocumented immigrants committed crime nationally as they do in Arizona, in 2016 they would have been responsible for over 1,000 more murders, 5,200 rapes, 8,900 robberies, 25,300 aggravated assaults, and 26,900 burglaries."
These numbers do not even include the cost to American taxpayers of the toll taken on America's children by illegally imported drugs. Although available information on this is at best spotty, the key finding from the DEA's 2017 National Drug Threat Assessment is that the "most commonly reported greatest drug threat was heroin, at 44.1 percent of law enforcement responses... This was followed by 29.8 percent of respondents indicating methamphetamine was their greatest drug threat, 9.3 percent reporting controlled prescription drugs..."
This tells us something about the extent of the problem, but not enough. The 2010 drug-threat assessment, released a year after the previous administration took office, revealed that,
"From January through November 2009, U.S. seizures of illegal drugs in transit exceeded 1,626 metric tons, indicating that DTOs succeed in moving several thousand tons of cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana, heroin, and MDMA into the United States annually. There are unique smuggling and transportation methods..."
In 2015, included in the DEA's drug-threat assessment was the fact that drug overdoses killed more people in the United States than car accidents or guns. As was noted by the BBC at the time, "Many of these drugs are smuggled in large volumes by drug cartels..."
The late Democrat Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." His successors in Congress would do well to remember this while debating the issue of illegal immigration. They certainly need to keep it in mind when voting on the administration's proposed plan.

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LOL, to rebut the bias of the fear mongers at FAIR, fishy plagiarizes another deplorable who quotes FAIR and throws together a mess of cherry picked data.


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FK, you re-enforce the points in the opening article every time you steal somebody else words.
Because you don't bother to understand the issues, you are bad at it, you steal and post shit that doesn't convince anybody but you.

Meanwhile, real journalism, facts is too much for tpapa to handle also.
Damn I long for the days when facts mattered to Republicans too.

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exactly.
we understand what ILLEGAL means.
That's why we know it's the problem.

We want to fix it, we want a path to LEGAL citizenship for those that want it, and will work for it.

Trump want's to use it to enrage people like you.



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trump's not scared of illegals, he employs them

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By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Tuesday, May 21, 2019
Two teens arrested last week on charges stemming from a horrific killing in Maryland were supposed to be deported last year, but local authorities didn't turn them over to ICE, the immigration agency said Tuesday.
Prosecutors say the teens, Josue Rafael Fuentes-Ponce, 16, and Joel Ernesto Escobar, 17 - suspected of being MS-13 gang members - feared they would be ratted out for an April robbery, so they and an accomplice snuffed out a 14-year-old suspected snitch. They made her strip before beating her with a baseball bat and chopping her with a machete. The girl's body was found in a creek this month.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, in a pointed statement Tuesday, said the crime could have been averted but for Prince George's County's sanctuary city policy.
Mr. Fuentes-Ponce and Mr. Escobar were in county custody last year on attempted murder charges for another crime. ICE placed a detainer on them, asking to be notified when they would be released so agents could deport them.
ICE said the Prince George's County Department of Corrections defied the request.

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http://www.westernjournal.com/...es-committed-illegals/

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