In the real news department, a couple of tankers were attacked. Wonder who was behind this. Can't imagine that the Iranians were. Almost seems like someone is trying to provoke us into attacking Iran.

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What would Putin want?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

The tankers got attacked because the world has so much respect for strong man Trump. Or someone is trying to goad him into a fight. Or it is a false flag because he wants a war because his pole numbers are drooping?

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Did they sail off course into the Gulf of Tonkin?


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I like it. Trump did it.

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Israel

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Trump. Three birds with one stone. He gets the war he wants with Iran, creates a diversion from his multitude of felonious enterprises, and raises oil prices for his buddies in the oil business.

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So it is not a massive show of deferential respect by Iran for our hero president as so wonderfully portrayed in the Jon McNaughton paintings?

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WHO ARE YOU? and what have you done with our commie loving friend?

I am Tpapablo. I have never met or communicated in any way with Bernie Sanders. Are you saying that Sanders was behind this?

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Pompeo is saying that it was Iran. This might get interesting.

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The US is acting like George Zimmerman when it comes Iran.

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Impeach Trump

well video was released of iran removing a device off the hull of one of the ships. witnesses saw the iranian boat as well. why do we care? narrow body of water where our ships operate and a trade route. our naval vessels, commercial vessels, and those of allied countries operate there. this is open state sponsored terrorism. the rub is that response should be united nation driven not us driven. israel and us have both been itching to smack iran in the mouth, so yeah, probably war

I doubt war. But I do see a smack down of Iran coming. We'll do something.

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the un needs to lead on this. not us

Probably a good thing to try.

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The U.S. doesn't have much credibility anymore, the U.N. will not get involved in this.

"China, the European Union and others have called for restraint from all sides. Germany said the U.S. video was not enough to apportion blame for Thursday's attack." - Reuters

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Credibility gone! The Japanese owner of one of the vessels attacked says the trump administration is putting out false info on the attacks.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

I genuinely don't think Iran has the balls to try a stunt like that. The straights are extremely important to the entire world. Shenanigans going down there could very well lead to all out war.

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i read a couple of articles on that. he wasnt there so is speculating based on limited information. crew saw iranian naval vessel and reported taking projectile fire as well. video analysis by experts via media agencies have also said object removed by iranian vessel appears to match the mine. in short, too early for you to make such statements

this entire thing seems fishy across the board to me. why would the ship report taking projectile fire and why would the iranian naval ship there, if it was indeed them, shoot at a tanker? almost makes me think they knew the mine was there and tried to detonate it before the tanker hit it. of course then there is the other one to think about. anyhow playing mine games in that area is nothing new for iran. also, now we are claiming attacks by iran on two of our drones

Not too early, the trump administration's credibility was gone before this attack, they've been putting out lies on an hourly basis. Why would the owner of the tanker say something not true?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

i didn't say he did. not remotely

Are you aware of the U. S backed coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and replaced it with a brutal dictatorship?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Didn't say you did say that, just asking a question. you need to ask "who gains what? in a situation like this.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

here is a timeline by cnn again, i prefer to wait for information. it is still coming out and not just from our country

google 1953 Iranian Coup for some perspective

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

google the consequences of jumping to conclusions based on limited information for some perspective

All3 made the point that we have been manipulating Iran and deciding the world since 1954.

The world has little basis to believe the Americans.

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do you think I jumped to a conclusion?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

absolutely, you are about this incident. unless you have more information that you aren't revealing that hasn't been released to the world media yet of course

all3 is pretty spot on about the coup and the Shah and such, , ,

While going to FSU in 1976 one of our house-mates was an "activist"; perhaps far too left for my tastes but, , , , The anti-Shah Iranian students would meet at our house. They would come over the back fence with paper bags over their heads. The one house mate was fairly confused until I ask them to take a look at the big black sedan that would come and park in front, AKA "The Shah's Men"!!

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not debating that at all

I said the trump administration's credibility was gone. You think the world out there is just taking what he says as fact?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

of course not. nobody does except the most die hard trumpers. does that automatically means that someone who wasn't even there is completely correct about the situation and our country is lying as you implied? no. thus my comment about waiting for all the information to come out first

What I meant to imply was that-Our credibility is gone- it was gone before this incident. That is what happens when you continually lie. People and countries stop believing you. trump in particular, and the U.S. in general. Bush II 's war is another example. A real shame if it turns out Iran is behind this. It would be nice if the U.S. could lead the free world but at this point they look at trump and expect lies.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

ok. fair enough

The only credibility that is gone is in fact...YOURS!

LIAR!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Sorry Fishydude, I like to keep my credibility up, where did I lie?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

You claimed that 'our credibility was gone'

It isn't gone....

Liar!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Creepy Mullet's credibility never existed. Bolton is an even more dangerous nihilist than fat sloppy bannons.
He helped create endless war for america before. Now he wants even more. (Somebody need to off this swine....)
Now he wants yet another excuse to get our beautiful young war fighters: aka the baddest motherfuckers on the planet.
Into yet another useless excuse for them to get shredded, maimed, and killed.
For absolutely no effective objective or purpose.....
sick.

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Edited: 06/16/2019 at 06:06 PM by nukeh2o

It can't be gone if it was never there in the first place.



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Thats like the lie that America was never great.

You're an asshole.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Who said "America was never great?"

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 03:53 PM by Fish Killer

If you didnt exclusively watch MSNBC you would know....

MORON!

This crapforbrains:

http://freebeacon.com/politics...rica-was-never-great/

And this turd:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/...that-great/index.html

Oh and then there is this asshole:

http://www.breitbart.com/polit...-great-as-advertised/





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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 03:52 PM by Fish Killer

Well Mullet Spanker, here it is for ya: my america has always been great. Our constitution has been a shining beacon of governance for our entire world since it was written.
Your stinking traitorous orange messiah is who said (or was directed to say by his commissar political handlers) that somehow it had become somewhat less than great.
Yet another weak fishbot attempt at changing the subject.
From Bolton's latest attempt to keep us in needless, useless, endless war.
For no fucking factual reason.....

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Well, I think America is great, was great, and pretty much always has been great. Some things happen that aren't so great, but overall, GREAT.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Liar. Not what they said.

back on topic, this should look less like wag the dog now to some of you with that opinion now that merkel believes it was iran based on evidence. she and trump do not see eye to eye generally speaking

Edited: 06/19/2019 at 06:11 PM by RiddleMe

Could be Iran for sure, but I don't want to go to war over this.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Don't want any Iranians killed over this.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

hmm iran just shot down a us navy drone overnight. this is confirmed and iran admitted it. well diff news said it was air force but whatever

Edited: 06/20/2019 at 04:10 AM by RiddleMe

Had we stayed with the deal that we had with Iran and six other countries, none of this would be happening. Not to mention that Bolton and Pompeo are the worst two possible for this situation.

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Starting to get warmer and warmer over there, , , , shooting down a Global Hawk is no small provocation. We could soon see a little "tit for tat".

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Edited: 06/20/2019 at 05:40 AM by dingpatch

The Trump administration is using info from fake on-line accounts to make their case against Iran. It's looking like the troll originated in the US State Department.

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source? i need to catch up on the story. hmm cnn hasnt picked it up yet, they are usually all over it

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 06:11 AM by RiddleMe

http://www.motherjones.com/pol...twitter-iran-bots-mek/

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thanks cole. will have to read later, that site is blocked for some reason

That also fooled British intelligence.

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Trump was supposed to use the department to combat foreign born misinformation.

Trump is using it to spread misinformation.

Weapons of mass destruction 2.0. Wag the dog.

Vote them out.

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Edited: 06/17/2019 at 07:44 AM by Cole

funny thing about wag the dog. movie was about a fictional war in albania. the year the movie came out, i was literally a boot on the ground in albania for silver wake.

They are the ones trying to fool us. The B in BP stands for British Maybe read about the Iranian Coup of 1953

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

got around the block. article didnt say anything about trolls originating in the state dept. interesting read none the less. now it is entirely possible that state is funding/directing these groups, but the article didn't link them or imply so. both iran and ncri playing cyber games

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 12:06 PM by RiddleMe

i know what point he was making, but thanks

you are just going to take the trump administration's word that it was an Iranian gov't operation? Was it flying an Iranian flag? Do you think that nobody else has access to the same weapons that Iran uses? You think the U.S. should be the police force on that side of the world and regulate a nearly landlocked body of water? When the nations surrounding that area are some of the richest in the world. We don't need that oil. I'd rather spend a billion helping out the poor people in Central America than spend the money on keeping the Straits of Hormuz open.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Do you think the map they're drawing up to divide the oil fields of Iran among the oil companies gives a share to Putin?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

lol you would be foolish to take anyone's word on anything. it is also equally foolish to rush to judgement without all the information.

how do? i don't see it

An Iranian boat, what does that mean?

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it is self evident. unless you mean something else beyond what you actually wrote

Your reading/comprehension skills aren't what I'd expect from an alleged Liar, er Lawyer

Like I said, war with Iran.

Vote them out people, enough of this bullshit already.

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It wasn't our ships attacked, it wasn't in our waters and about as far away as you can get.I don't want our boys getting killed or killing people over this.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

f'er, putin's on the phone. it's for you...

Actually I think he's praising trump here, letting us know how smart his hero is. You need to view this through the eyes of someone without a shred of human decency

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Worked for W. Flying drones into blds was a little more expensive than bombs planted on a ship tho. At least The LFSG is being thrifty.

Iran rescued the crew of 44 from one vessel flying Panamanian flag, had just left a Saudi port.

Pompeo is overflowing with bullshit. But we're on the edge of some f-ed up shit folks.

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I would sure be looking at Mossad for this. Bibi knows exactly how to play these things.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Iran has the least incentive.

Who stands to gain... Hmmmmm.....

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

several news agencies this morning reported iran was blocking removal of one of the damaged ship. how odd.

Perhaps they are trying to preserve the crime scene for analysis.

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sure, definitely a possibility. iran vs trump administration, who is most believable? both have a history of being full of shit. far longer with iran but irrelevant really

our tankers where attacked. trump has done nothing. credibility? nope.

popcorn...

"Starting to remove a lot of troops" Trump says of the Middle East on the day his administration has announced 1,000 troops are being sent to the region.

Did y'all hear that? That was John Bolton jizzing in his 'merican flag undies. He is gonna get what he always wanted.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

trump had been toning down the rhetoric, almost as if someone told him his poll numbers would be down if we went to war. iran maybe senses weakness and is flexing a bit

Bolton is the captain of the ship. He only needs to burst in on trump and ask him "are you going to let them humiliate you like this? The world is watching and their wrist slaps are a mockery of the consequences they should be facing."

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

And Bolton is correct. They are planning the retaliatory strike as I type.

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War with Iran folks. More of our children to die.

Vote Democratic and end this lunacy.



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Edited: 06/20/2019 at 07:08 AM by Cole

Nope. We will see some cruise missiles headed their way, Knock around their ports, I am guessing. That will be followed by progs going full on hysterical yet again. They will talk about how Trump is going to start a nuclear war, how Trump has ruined America's reputation, and how Trump personally murdered innocent Iranian women and children and should be brought up on war crimes. The vast majority of Americans will support Trump's actions, however, and progs will soon move to the next ginned-up outrage. Trump will move closer to re-election.

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Do you think it's ok to kill civilians because our drone got shot down?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Edited: 06/20/2019 at 11:49 AM by all3

your question isnt a valid one to ask. we go above and beyond to avoid civilian deaths. you question is better aimed towards iran

Am I mistaken or weren't they complying with the international agreement they signed? Wasn't Trump the one that tore it up and doubled down on sanctions?



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Switch roles and put the US in Iran's place. What would we do?

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probably not blow up tankers as a threat to halt 30% of the global oil trade. probably wouldnt shoot down an aircraft in international waters of another nation that could kick the shit out of us in a fight. just a guess

ignoring the fact that your question is totally irrelevant to his comment and my reply to him, i will try to answer anyway. yup trump did that. as to iran complying or not, depends who you ask. they said they did, we said they weren't during both obama/trump admins. they did violate the heavy water constraint two inspections in a row, though barely. they did ballistic missile testing in violation. the issue with nuclear propulsion i believe was in violation as well. there were other issues if i recall correctly regarding access and interference. anyway you look at it, it is a clusterfuck that trump made worse

Edited: 06/21/2019 at 07:50 AM by RiddleMe

You're either extremely patient or a gluten for punishment...

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Maybe there are some benefits to having trump listening to Putin

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

I'm allergic

LMAO...I just noticed that. Victim of public education...

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oh, that was good. lmao

You defended us and blamed Iran. There are a dozen ways that is wrong, but i'll simply point out that we killed tens of thousands in the conflict with Iraq and a great many of those were innocents, so we are anything but innocent when viewing the big picture of the Middle East.

And no, according to the others who signed onto the nuclear accord, Iran wasn't breaking the agreement. Small infractions, maybe, but as a whole they did as they were told. We bailed and there are consequences to this action.




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Edited: 06/21/2019 at 02:58 PM by Cole

actually cole, i said wait for more information. then when more came available, including some from outside sources, i defended our country because we weren't wagging the dog like some claimed right off the bat. let's not be revisionist here

Edited: 06/21/2019 at 04:20 PM by RiddleMe

Why did Trump warp the reality of his pulling back from a counter attack by the US and why has Trump chosen to do nothing at all? Well, he has done something, he is taking the path of the same failing ideas of diplomatic pressure that Bush did 15 years ago.



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Edited: 06/24/2019 at 04:50 AM by Cole

If chaos and a nuclear Iran are his tactics, then Trump is killing it. Right?

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sadly voting democratic doesnt stop the war machine once it is rolling

Putin is certainly smarter, but his goal is rebuild the Russian empire and neutralize the US. Yes winning. So much.

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Looks like we flew a done through their airspace, and they shot it down as it was making its getaway. Not sure why you think that this is some evidence that the US is not the primary aggressor. War pigs are trying everything to provoke Iran, and the world doesn't trust the word of the Americans. When trump starts looking like the reasonable one, watch out...

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The timeline on Trump's decision to pull back the attack doesn't match up either.

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At what point does this become Iran defending itself from us?

If Iran stacked their war machine off of our coast, how would we react?

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I think trump got a phone call from Putin, and he's trying to put his best spin on it.

Can you imagine the look on Bolton's face?

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