Five Things They Don't Tell You about Slavery

The same people most obsessed with slavery seem to have little interest in the full scope of its history.

There has been an effort for decades now - although with new momentum lately, as exemplified by the New York Times' 1619 project - to identify the United States and its founding with slavery.

To the extent that this campaign excavates uncomfortable truths about our history and underlines the central role of African Americans in our nation, it is welcome. But it is often intended to undermine the legitimacy of America itself by effacing what makes it distinctive and good.

Yes, slavery and racial prejudice were our great original sins. It would have been better if we had, like the British, been leaders against the slave trade and for abolition (the representation of slaveholders in Congress and the rise of King Cotton forestalled this). But we didn't invent slavery, even in its race-based form.

Slavery didn't make us unique, which is obvious if we consider its history in a little broader context. Critics of the American Founding don't like to do this because it weakens their case and quickly brings them up against politically inconvenient facts that they'd prefer to pass over in silence.

Let's dwell, then, on a few things they don't tell us about slavery. None of these are secrets or are hard to find, but they are usually left out or minimized, since they don't involve self-criticism and, worse, they entail a critical look at societies or cultures that the Left tends to favor vis-à-vis the West.

None of what follows is meant to excuse the practice of slavery in the United States, or its longevity. Nor is it to deny that the Atlantic slave trade was one of history's great enormities, subjecting millions to mistreatment so horrifying that it is hard to fathom. But if we are to understand the history of slavery, it's important to know what happened before 1619 and what happened elsewhere besides America.

1. Through much of human history, slavery was ubiquitous and unquestioned

Slavery wasn't the exception in human history; it was the norm. The "perennial institution," as historian Seymour Drescher calls it, was an accepted feature of the ancient world, from ancient Egypt to Greece to Rome, and of traditional societies.

The Greeks, according to the compelling David Brion Davis book Inhuman Bondage: The Rise and Fall of Slavery in the New World, "came to see slave labor as absolutely central to their entire economy and way of life" and deployed it in a wide range of occupations. Roman slavery wasn't race-based but was brutal all the same (see the fate of slave gladiators, among many other atrocities).

In the post-Roman world, the Byzantines, the Vikings, and Central Asian societies all embraced slavery in various forms.

Again, this wasn't remarkable. Consider, for instance, Ethiopia. Stewart Gordon writes in his book Shackles of Iron: Slavery Beyond the Atlantic that its first legal code, dating from the mid-13th century, "recognized slaves as central to the economy and defined the acquisition and holding of slaves as the natural order of things." In the 16th century, Ethiopia "was a full slave society," even taking tribute from some provinces in the form of slaves.

Slavery knew no bounds of color or creed. During one period, from 1500 to 1700, there were more white European slaves held captive on the Barbary Coast than slaves sent from West Africa to the Atlantic world, according to Gordon.

All this history wasn't incidental to what eventually arose in the Atlantic world. Davis notes, "There was a genuine continuity of slave-trading and slave-holding from Ancient Greece to Rome and from the late Roman Empire to the Byzantine and Arab worlds, from the medieval shipment of slaves from the Balkans, the Black Sea and Caucasia to Muslim and Christian Mediterranean markets, and from there to the beginnings in the fifteenth century of an African slave trade to Portugal and Spain, and then to the Atlantic Islands and New World."

And slavery was widespread throughout the New World. "An imaginary 'hemispheric traveler,'" Davis writes, "would have seen black slaves in every colony from Canada and New England all the way south to Spanish Peru and Chile."

2. The East African slave trade lasted into the 20th century

The United States ended slavery too late (again, Britain is a better model). But let's not forget how long the slave trade, ended in 1808 in the United States, lasted elsewhere.

Gordon discusses the East African slave trade, also called the Arab slave trade: "Throughout the vast Indian Ocean region," he writes, "slave trade and ownership were considered completely moral and legal, regardless of the religion of the slaver or the buyer."

More than a million slaves were taken from East Africa in the 1800s. Despite British attempts at suppressing it, this trade continued into the 20th century. According to Gordon, "Perhaps the last large-scale movement of East African slaves to the Middle East was in the 1920s."

Relatedly, the Muslim world was a vast empire of slavery and enslaved countless black Africans.

3. Islam was a great conveyor belt of slavery

"Long before the establishment of African slavery in the Americas," James Walvin writes in his A Short History of Slavery, "Islamic societies were characterized by the widespread and generally unchallenged use of slavery. Indeed slavery was commonplace throughout Arabia well before the rise of Islam. But as Islam spread between the eighth and 15th centuries, and especially to black Africa, it extended and confirmed the commonplace use of slavery and slave trading."

According to Walvin, Muslim slavers transported enslaved Africans across vast distances - via overland routes - "long before the European pioneers in the Americas began to consider the use of African slaves as laborers in the American settlements." The routes across the Sahara, he adds, "survived from the seventh to the twentieth century, and millions of Africans were force-marched along them from their homelands to the slave markets to the north."

This story is relevant to the nature of slavery in the Atlantic world. At first, slavery in the Muslim world wasn't race-based, but that changed. Davis writes: "The Arabs and other Muslim converts were the first people to make use of literally millions of blacks from sub-Saharan Africa and to begin associating black Africans with the lowliest forms of bondage."

It may well be, he continues, that "racial stereotypes were transmitted, along with black slavery itself - to say nothing of the algebra and knowledge of the ancient Greek classics - as Christians treated and fought with Muslims for the first Islamic challenges to the Byzantine Empire, in the seventh and eighth centuries, through the era of the crusades."

Certainly, while slavery was in eclipse in the rest of Europe, it had a new vitality on the Muslim-occupied Iberian peninsula, with Muslims and Christians both engaged in the practice.

"By the fifteenth century," historian James Sweet notes, "many Iberian Christians had internalized the racist attitudes of the Muslims and were applying them to the increasing flow of African slaves to their part of the world." He adds, "Iberian racism was a necessary precondition for the system of human bondage that would develop in the Americas during the sixteenth century and beyond."

One would think that there would be more attention paid to the Muslim world's contribution to race-based slavery, but since it doesn't offer any opportunity for Western self-reproach, it's mostly ignored.

4. The Atlantic slave trade would have been impossible without African cooperation

Slavery wasn't a European imposition on West Africa. It was already a common practice before the European slavers showed up to subject African captives to the hideous Atlantic passage and bondage in the New World.

According to John Thornton, "slavery was widespread in Atlantic Africa because slaves were the only form of private, revenue-producing property recognized in African law."

Europeans didn't capture millions of slaves on their own. The slavers were confined to the coasts. They weren't capable of enslaving masses of Africans, and even when they attempted it, they risked disrupting the entire system (and retribution from the Africans).

In the interior, slaves were captured in battles and raids and marched to the coast in unspeakable conditions. They were then sold to the Europeans for liquor, textiles, tobacco, and other goods.

Davis notes "the rise of predatory states, such as Futa Jallon, Dahomey, Asante, Kasanje, and the Lunda Empire, which found it financially profitable to wage war on neighbors and sell prisoners to the Portuguese, Dutch, English, French, Danes, or Americans."

The system of West African enslavement kept running even when the Europeans stopped coming, "flooding various regions with nonexportable slaves," as Davis puts it. The slave population in West Africa would come to exceed that of the New World.

5. Brazil took the lion's share of slaves from the Atlantic slave trade

Any historical accounting of the Atlantic slave trade has to judge Brazil harshly.

Ninety-five percent of the slaves transported across the Atlantic went to places south of the present-day United States, with Brazil alone taking about 40 percent.

Black slaves were already about 10 percent of Lisbon's population in 1550, and Brazil had about 1 million slaves by 1790.

Even though a relatively small 5 percent of African slaves went to colonial America, the population in the colonies and the United States grew until there were four million slaves by the time of the Civil War. Brazil never had this natural increase because the life expectancy of the slaves there was so low. Life on Brazil's sugar plantations was brutal and regimented.

"Beginning in the 1960s," Davis writes, "historians have demolished the myths that Brazilian slavery was benign or humane and that Brazil was relatively free from racism." The record shows, he writes, "extreme forms of racial prejudice coupled with the view that slaves were mere instruments of production."

Even when the Atlantic slave trade was mostly illegal and on the way out, the beat went on. Brazil and Cuba received most of the more than 2 million slaves transported between 1820 and 1880, according to Davis.

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To repeat, none of this justifies American cruelty and hypocrisy across the centuries. It does suggest, however, that an appropriate perspective should take full account of all that sets us apart, which emphatically wasn't chattel slavery.

None of the other societies tainted by slavery produced the Declaration of Independence, a Washington, Jefferson, and Hamilton, the U.S. Constitution, or a tradition of liberty that inspired people around the world for centuries. If we don't keep that in mind, as well as the broader context of slavery, we aren't giving this country - or history - its due.

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"I'm not racist, but..."



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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

More regurgitated BS that soothes his guilt.

Sure its bad but come on, bringing it up now seems pointless to me and everybody I know (that is white).

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

johnnyboy is right!

Why is the New York Times' 1619 project even revelant to todays political climate?

"To repeat, none of this justifies American cruelty and hypocrisy across the centuries. It does suggest, however, that an appropriate perspective should take full account of all that sets us apart, which emphatically wasn't chattel slavery."

Oh, and, by the way, , , , I have no reason to feel guilty about something that happened over 160 years ago. It is, now, "water under the bridge, , , ,". Given the world's history of slavery, America's participation is nothing more than a side note. Get over it.

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Dora Hates You

Edited: 09/05/2019 at 01:38 PM by dingpatch

If you didn't already know those five things, you might try to find another 'they' for information. Anyone that isn't asleep or retarded should already know those five things. Who are 'they' anyway? Are 'they' the same ones that are spraying chemtrails, controlling the weather, giving us cancer with 5G and windmills, and that forged Obama the Kenyan fake U.S. Birth Certificate?

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"Get over it"? You should go find some black people and tell them how you feel.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

I nolonger have any opinions to express FAIL

That's why the Repugs of the You Essay are always yearning to return to the good ol days.

Slavery is the good old days? You believe that blacks should be slaves, huh? Where did all of these racists come from suddenly. The truth has emerged on Slimy. As I said earlier, everyone ignore these blatant racists.

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But, then again, how and why should anyone "know" "those five things"? My take on slavery is rather minimal, given that it ended almost 160 years ago. I've never met anyone who had been a slave. Although, I have met Holocaust survivors who had the tatoo on their forearm. After 160 years, any aspect of "slavery" should only be a side note in regard to the state of black culture and society in America. Yes, racism is still very real but, at this point in time, , , , what's the point?

And to be clear, I am not a racist. No reason to be.

Did you ever sit and talk with Alex Haley about that little book he wrote? I knew more about Kunta Kinte than most people, way before anyone knew what "Roots" was.

Used to go to Civil Rights rallies on University Blvd.

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Dora Hates You

And, to subtly counter Rusty, , , , , If the Blacks are still so upset about slavery, we should pay for them to go back to Africa and see just how lovely life there is.

Just kidding. But, it is rather enjoyable to be able to watch a snowflake evaporate!!

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Dora Hates You

Snowflake? You're the Ding-dong telling a bunch of white guys you think black people should get over slavery. You want to be a tough guy do that down on university. Tell them it's cool because you have black friends.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Yet dorkpatch posts this blatantly racist pigshit.
Yep, dems darkies led an idyllic life alright.
Housed, fed. Sing and dance, nite n day.....
Cue al jolson and "mammy"....
Now: what happened next clueless dongsnatch?
Theys be emancipated!
Riiight.....
anybody remember kkk nightriders? Murdered for attempting to exercise their lincoln provided right to vote?
Howz bout indentured servitude, sharecroppers. Lynchings, et al....im just getting started here stinking racist magats.......
Stuuupid racist chumpfscum....
"but, I have black friends....."


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It's a democratic hoax

Edited: 09/05/2019 at 04:04 PM by nukeh2o

I dont get the purpose of this post. It seems as if you are trying to justify slavery in the US, its not very informative for the level of "self righteousness" it bears.....



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I troll 2L.com to be a better person in real life

Your reading/comprehension skill are lacking something. I think it's the ability to comprehend what you're reading.

And dorksnatch met some tatooed Jews huh?....
I worked in a Jewish retiree community in south florida for ten years dweeb.
Hows bout the Nazi survivors repatriated to eastern europe?
under stalin, they were suspect. For having lived...
So they must be Nazi collaborators! Stalin killed almost all russian pows. They lived!
Whoops! another camp. Another tatoo!
Your boy chumpf empowers and enables former commie swine from that whole stalin system to emigrate. And launder their money. In south Florida.
They live in comrade chumpf branded properties in miami beach
"I have jewish friends"....stupid ignorant fuk
duuuhhuuhuuh......


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It's a democratic hoax

Edited: 09/05/2019 at 05:39 PM by nukeh2o

Dems are racist , kkk, islamo lovers, who slave trade today. Dems are dumb as shown here daily, hey goons, whatever happened to russia?

^^^ Skipper's off the wagon again..






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When America was "great"

Beater all in for stupid and with such conviction! The sad old man says Dems are racists! Here's a photo of new GOP and Dem congressional reps from 2018.



And the emoji version

Show the whole crew and it is even more telling.

Then there is this factoid:

Trump most white admin since Reagan.

Edited: 09/06/2019 at 01:48 AM by HAPDigital

black people to dingbatch - apology not accepted.

what a $hit article.

Take this gem "But it is often intended to undermine the legitimacy of America itself by effacing what makes it distinctive and good." WTF? Now you can't say slavery is bad without undermining the legitimacy of America? That is some serious stupidity.

Look...it's the racist assholes at it again!

FACT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

yet another Dpatch thread flop? You don't say....

Not a flop at all, , , , it seems that I got the reaction I thought I would. Even though the article itself was rather straight forward, it seems to have only agitated the ones here who hate the US of A.

I realized some time ago that there are those here who ridgidly maintain their on-line persona. I don't know if what they say here are their actual beliefs or, they are just holding to their pre-selected shtick.

I'll begin to search for ways to "feel them out".

Here goes, , , , Stalin was a good guy, he was just misunderstood.

Hitler did not do anything wrong. We should have let him keep Paris.

Anybody have any good dead baby jokes?

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Dora Hates You

Who would guess that the Trump people would have an issue with the 1619 Project? lol

I had no idea slaves were here that early and I had no idea that there were so many original black communities. I also didn't know there were slaves in St Augustine well before that...

How this project isn't seen as a positive is beyond me.



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I was right.

Cole, yes, the 1619 Project is pretty neat, all-in-all. It's just that there are just so many snowflakes who think that it is "The End All" and will correct everything that they see as wrong in America. Sorry folks, but slavery is not a "whites only" thing. America was not founded on slavery. But, way-back-when, owning slaves was no different than owning a big screen 4K today. Yes, slavery is/was a terrible thing but, in regard to America, give it some rational thought, keep it's effects "in mind" and get over it.

Oh, and, I am not a "Trump people". I am basically conservative but I perhaps have many lefty views. I don't like Trump but, at that, I simply could not vote for Hillary knowing what I knew about her.

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Dora Hates You

Edited: 09/06/2019 at 05:51 AM by dingpatch

Why are things like this kept from our history books? That is the issue.

And ding, you will vote for Trump in the next election. So come on dude, at least be real.

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I was right.

admit it , you typed that with a sharpie marker bro.

I think you're telling us much more about yourself than you'll ever learn with daily troll posts ding.

"America was not founded on slavery."

Well gee, that war must have been just a big misunderstanding then.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

"it seems that I got the reaction I thought I would"

dingbatch sets up the joke and everyone responds with various facts and punchlines fulfilling his desire for his own public humiliation

Glad we could assist!

But wait--odumbos relatives were slave traders, what does that do to his black half?

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Slave traders?


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I was right.

Not "traders" but, owners.

According to the research, one of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.

The Baltimore Sun retraced much of Reitwiesner's work, using census information available on the Web site ancestry.com and documents retrieved by the Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives, among other sources. The records show that Overall, then 30, owned a 15-year-old black female and a 25-year-old black male, while Mary Duvall, his mother-in-law, owned a 60-year-old black man and a 58-year-old black woman.

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Dora Hates You

This is just so profoundly and laughably: lame
What you deliberately stupid, willfully ignorant chumpfscum fail to realize or acknowledge is what happened to american blacks AFTER they were supposedly "emancipated".
Kkk, nightriders, jim crow laws, separate but equal, lynchings, killed for daring to try to vote. For the next hundred years and more, it continues to this day.
Dorksnatch tries to post some quasi intelligent crap about the supreme court and conservatism.
Then turns around with this chumpfdirt racist shit.
You aint fooling anyone dweeb. Yep: you got the response you expected alright dufus
duuuuhhhuuuhhh.......
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It's a democratic hoax

Edited: 09/06/2019 at 05:05 PM by nukeh2o

Obama needs to PAY REPARATIONS!!!!!!!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Why are you guys so fixated on Obama? The dude is not in office. Was Reagan a descendant of slave owners? Bush? Clinton? Would it matter now? I really think you guys got mental issues and are fixated on the black man. Having a black president must have scarred you guys terribly. It's all you can talk about... Obama.... Crazy...

Edited: 09/06/2019 at 02:54 PM by HAPDigital

He's just getting to get attention and he's not intellectually endowed for an substantive debate.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

"To this very moment slavery continues in parts of Africa and the Islamic world. Very little noise is made about it by those who denounce the slavery of the past in the West, because there is no money to be made denouncing it and no political advantages to be gained." - Thomas Sowell (Uncle Tom)

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The BIG Lie I: "We have more African Americans under criminal supervision today than all the slaves in 1850." - Sen. Cory Booker

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

What a ridiculous statement, does Sowell NOT denounce past slavery in the "west"? Is he trying to excuse it? I guess he's fully assumed the slave mentality.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

You might want to re-think your statement, he is saying to anyone who can read that all those calling racist and get rid of George Washington's image as Father of our country have nothing to say about Today's active slave trade.

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

That's completely false and you and Sowell are both apologists for genocide. Any decent person is against slavery, anytime and anywhere. Trying to suggest that anyone intentionally ignores it today it just an attempt to minimize chattel slavery in the founding of this country.



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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Haven't heard Cory or Al say anything about this!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

I love it when I see you have posted. What idiocy is he on to now?

You are one of the few people I know that seems to be getting dumber with age.



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I was right.

I understand the left feeling a need to right their wrongs of the past. They probably do have a ton of guilt. Democrats fought to keep slavery, the KKK were the militant wing of the Democrat party, they turned the hoses and dogs on blacks, and they were the ones who rounded up the Japanese and put them in internment camps. Hell, you had a former Grand Lizard of the KKK in congress until a few years ago. Obama was cool with it though because he was a Democrat. Obama even spoke at Byrd's funeral. There were probably a lot of old guys there who were really surprised by how articulate and clean he was.

My family never owned slaves, I love our country, I don't hate being white, and I sleep like a puppy in a laundry basket.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Everyone should apologize for mistakes. It's common decency.

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I was right.

Then why exactly dont you....EVER?

I'll answer that...it's because you're a....

FUCKING PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

just when you think sniper is sentient he repeats the old democrats and slavery crap

The "democrats" bailed and became GOP when Johnson messed with thier beliefs


Edited: 09/16/2019 at 04:45 PM by Greensleeves

Should be easy for you to post a list of ALL the Democrats who abandoned ship and became Republicans for you then, right? Go ahead and research it. Post the names of ALL the Democrats who were part of this mass exodus that you guys made up.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

The entire Fing south ya mouth breather. You did notice the southern states switched sides when the Dem party came to Jesus about civil rights didn't you? Maybe not.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

So, all the racist politicians died as Democrats but all the people that you can't name switched to the Republican party? That's convenient. It didn't happen. The Democrats realized that they had lost and shifted gears in regards to who they were going to pander to. They weren't any better people, they just knew that if they didn't shift gears then they were going to go extinct.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

You sound like a broken Republican propaganda record.

http://newrepublic.com/minutes...istory-lesson-twitter



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I was right.

You have Trump Derangement Syndrome and a BAD case of pathological lying.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Your link pretty much reiterates what I've already said.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

So, let me get this straight... what you're saying is that the Democrats figured they would switch from supportingthe majority of voters with the power, to the milority with much less power in order to gain votes?

Yeah, nah.

To quote your words, "It didn't happen."

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GOP:

Gaslight
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This page gives part of an important address to the Florida legislature as secession was being discussed, and links to more details. Southern slavery at the time was a huge deal economically, and the big slave owners were sure that a system based on slave labor was better than one based on free labor, in part because it was a bad idea to let workers vote.

Even the blind can see that Trump has an affinity for Nazi types.

How many of you Cult of Trump people still use the N word?

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I was right.

No!--Use it daily!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Sniper says (with eyes bleary from watching faux news), "The party that elected Barack Obama is racist."

I'm not accusing the Democrats of being racists. However, I am saying that throughout the history of this country, Democrats have based their positions on where they thought popular opinion was, instead of standing on principle. This has left them on the wrong side of history when it comes to slavery, women's suffrage, a racially integrated society, the KKK, and putting the Japanese in internment camps. Maintain the power by any means necessary. When blacks couldn't vote, they were anti-black. When women couldn't vote they were anti-women. As soon as they become a voting block, the Democrats pucker up to the backsides of any group.



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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

I other words, the Democratic party is democratic? Damn, I'll alert the press.

Meanwhile, in this century, the GOP has decided to be the party of the far right ethnofascists. The torchlight parades, the "proud boys", all gop and trumpists. There's no denying that. There's a good reason you guys shit your pants about Antifa.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Good thing for me that this comic book battle you are all fired up about includes less than 1% of the country on either side. You want to paint all Republicans as racists. Hell, many Democrats want people to feel hesitant to display any patriotism at all. I take that back, they are okay with anyone being patriotic towards any country except the United States. That is entirely too spicy for the left. Look at the candidates in the Democrat primary. It sounds like a competition as to who hates America the most. Sorry, Rusty but this just isn't reality.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 09/17/2019 at 08:38 AM by Sniper

The two most rabid racists that I know are from Chicago and New York!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

sounds like you keep great company

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I troll 2L.com to be a better person in real life

I'm guessing the current prezi-don't is one of tham...

But I don't think Jeff Sessions is from Chicago...

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GOP:

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project

Seems to me you have your own reality. I'm not a Democrat, and I don't care to "paint" Republicans as anything. Their behavior speaks for itself. Patriotism is nothing but nationalism, and I'm not interested in it. I don't care if you want to stand, jump, kneel, or sit and spin when the flag goes by. The only flag that means something to me is the red and black one.


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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

rt

Antifa much?

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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

Anarcho-socialist actually. But certainly antifascist.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Edited: 09/17/2019 at 10:09 AM by RustyTruck

The more they lose, the more violent and desperate they will become.

Just wait until Ginsburg kicks the bucket. You are going to see crazy in full effect.

Rusty, good luck finding some fascists to hate. The way people talk, they should be everywhere but then you step away from the computer and go outside and everything's nice. No fascists in sight.




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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

[Goes outside]

[Looks around]

Yup, no fascists on my street. Planning to keep it that way.

But I think you have it wrong. The violence will come if trump loses, and then tries to invalidate the election, calling for the military and police to support him remaining in office. Now that's when things get hot.



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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

^^^The result of too many drugs!!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

The more who lose? Out of the last four GOP presidential victories two were with a minority of Americans. In case sniper didn't notice the GOP is white, old, and largely male. That ain't exactly a recipe for continued "winning".

Oh and as for change it wasn't long ago women couldn't get and abortion, gay people couldn't get married, pot was illegal, and black people had to sit in the back of the bus. Society is changing whether the crusty old geezers like it or not.


Edited: 09/17/2019 at 11:38 AM by Greensleeves