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 10/17/2018 06:27 AM
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Plan B

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Originally posted by: Cole I have a ranch block house that was built in the 50's with a strapped tongue and groove roof; it's basically a bunker....but, the river is at the end of my road and the ocean four blocks away. I evacuate for anything above a tropical storm. Yes, I might be overly cautious, but Michael went from a low 2 to a killer 4.9 in 24 hours. Increased/extended heating is going to make this the new norm, so to me, it's not worth the risk.
Sounds like my house (but I have a plywood roof).... but being the oldest house on the street, it also sits the lowest I reroofed it myself 10 years ago and have yet to lose a shingle (we had 90mph+ gusts from Irma)..... but I did get 15"+ water in the house from Mattthew
 10/17/2018 06:33 AM
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We have some beachside bunker homes from the 50's for sure. Roof might go and windows might blow out, but the block walls reinforced by rock hard plaster and lathe would probably be left standing.
 10/17/2018 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Cole

I have a ranch block house that was built in the 50's with a strapped tongue and groove roof; it's basically a bunker....but, the river is at the end of my road and the ocean four blocks away. I evacuate for anything above a tropical storm. Yes, I might be overly cautious, but Michael went from a low 2 to a killer 4.9 in 24 hours. Increased/extended heating is going to make this the new norm, so to me, it's not worth the risk.


Well, and afterwards...I have a friend who lives in Panama City, and her house was fine (Panama City Beach had some weird pockets with nearly no damage where even the electricity didn't go out), but now she's stuck. They have to walk to get food, because there is no gas (I told her to fill up before the storm, but she's not from Florida, and didn't understand why), and she has two kids and can you imagine the safety concerns being the only standing neighborhood in that devastation? I've offered to let her stay with us (her neighbor said he'd give her enough gas to get out of the worst of it and I could meet her with my multiple gas cans full) but she's stubborn. The kids' school doesn't know when it will reopen, and really, if you CAN get out, after, you really shouldn't be a drain on the already strained resources. The hospital is strained, there is no easily available medical care, and if you can not be stuck in that sort of circumstance, why would you?



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 10/18/2018 04:37 AM
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Great video on Fox on the house in Mex Beach that survived with almost no damage.

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 10/18/2018 08:44 AM
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2012 Florida Building Code Wind Borne Maps https://www.floridabuilding.org/fbc/wind_2010/flyer_wind_january2012.pdf

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 10/19/2018 06:37 AM
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not exactly your "common folks" home but.... Mexico Beach fortress

Edited: 10/19/2018 at 06:39 AM by Plan B
 10/19/2018 06:43 AM
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Looking at before and after aerials I'm seeing some newer construction concrete block and stucco houses with standing seam metal hip roofs that faired very well just inland from the barrier island. There are a lot of stick houses and shingle roofs that are wrecked in the same neighborhoods. I found one house that had a shingle roof 2 years ago and apparently had a re-roof to metal last year. Its roof looks spotless; at least viewed on high res satellite imagery.

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 10/19/2018 06:57 AM
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Plan B

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If I could magically raise my 45 yr old block house 4 feet I'd be set

Edited: 10/19/2018 at 06:57 AM by Plan B
 10/19/2018 07:01 AM
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2012 FL Wind Borne Map

From DAB's post. It shows Mexico Beach's code to be 120-130mph, compared with South Fla at 170-180mph

Edited: 10/19/2018 at 07:07 AM by rc
 10/19/2018 07:15 AM
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Plan B

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Thanks. I'm guessing it's based on the fact that that area has never been hit by a storm of this magnitude..... but when you consider storms like Katrina (and the fact that the Gulf is usually a hottub) they prob should
 10/19/2018 08:48 PM
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The Insurance companies have an economy of scale and an army of lawyers who delay, deny and obstruct with no legal basis. Moody's story is the kind of story that only has a happy ending because she had enough money to wage the war against them and outlast their shady tactics to the point of winning on the merits. Not easy or cheap and not available to many. The consumer protections designed to protect everyday people from these economy of scale tactics have been eroded and vilified as anti-business big government regulation loud enough and long enough that every day people thought they should side with "small businesses" against big government bureaucrats. Now that narrative is stripped away like a Mexico beach roof and the insurance companies shenanigans are just beginning. The people will have to rebuild, they will be forced to do it cheaply because the payouts are diluted and they will not be brought up to the Miami Dade code unless there is any institutional memory of this.

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 10/20/2018 06:52 AM
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2017 Florida Building Code SECTION 1609 - WIND LOADS https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/FBC2017/chapter-16-structural-design

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Edited: 10/20/2018 at 06:57 AM by dab
 10/21/2018 02:14 PM
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Journal Of Light Construction Has a great article with several links to other info about coastal building to withstand wind storms and storm surge.

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 10/22/2018 07:54 AM
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Plan B

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I have no idea about this... but what kind of insurance savings would you get for a house like that? I do know you get some relief for adding impact windows / shutters
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