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 11/05/2019 05:25 PM
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GREG

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Here is a petition to help stop it. I don't think it is approved yet. Even better - show up at 7 p.m. when they do their presentation in Sat. Beach on Nov. 6th.
Petition to stop highrises in Satellite Beach

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UpperDecker

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Or possibly show up a little before 6pm?

FL Today reports there is a "gathering" sponsored by a "Save The Turtles" group starting at 6pm outside city hall.

FL Today

Also, the city's website lists a CRA meeting Wed 11/6 at 6:00 pm. I thought the CRA (Community Redevelopment Agency) had been dissolved... Anyone know what's up there?

Minor edit: The CRA link on the city web page is separate from the other boards:
http://www.satellitebeach.org/...development_agency.php
but I still thought it had been dissolved. My bad.

CRA minutes and agendas: http://www.satellitebeach.org/...gendas_and_minutes.php

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 06:58 PM by UpperDecker
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UpperDecker

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Anyone go to the meeting?

Edited: 11/07/2019 at 06:39 AM by UpperDecker
 11/07/2019 08:29 AM
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Palm_Grower

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Yes, I went.

These meetings are always good for a laugh.

Basically, it goes back to the 2004/2005 time frame.
It was zoned back then for condos and such.

The bottom line is this;

You can have 4 condos and 17 multi level buildings

or

You can have 3 condos and a hotel (check)

or

C. Get sued by developer. They paid $13.5 million for land, and the annual budget for the city happens to be $13.5 million. In the end, the developer would win and the City would be left devastated. It would be in litigation for years and years. Even if the City prevailed, the would basically be bankrupt.

The best point of the night was brought up by a lady from North Satellite Beach.
She mentioned that she didn't want to see chairs and jet skis for rent on the beach.

The City does have total control of this. So at this point, if you want to protest anything, call the city and express your thoughts about rental companies connected to the hotel.




 11/07/2019 02:13 PM
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426Blue

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I don't think the City does have control at this point. You can't deny building that
meets zoning and code. Even if Satellite changed their land use regs. right now, the
developer would have a viable Bert Harris Act claim against the City, since the plans
were so far in motion before the change.


Satellite clearly does not have the stomach to stop the worsening landscape pollution
and oversized structures in their own community. Councilman Montanaro's comment in
Florida Today's article, suggesting Satellite somehow prevented an even worse
scenario, comparing Neptune Beach's "blowing up" with development, is a dishonest
and ignorant comparison. Who is that guy? - Satellite did not do their "homework" on
this issue.

Neptune Beach may have "blown up" recently, but the reason for that is because it's a
great place to live, due to successfully doing what Satellite and a few other beach
communities in this area have failed to do, namely: zoning only allowing single family
or duplexes & a few grandfathered triplexes; no short term rentals; encouraging long
term & permanent residency; 2004 vote passed on height limitations at around 35'
-45'; commercial limited to "Town Center" and portions west of 3rd st.; modifying 1st
street successfully discouraging vehicular traffic - you don't need or want a car in
Neptune Beach; tight restrictions on what can exist in commercial sector (Town Center)
encouraging interesting commercial and artistic ventures; the town appears to work at
improving the lives of permanent or long term residents, unlike Satellite.

At this point, civil disobedience would be the only road to stopping this project, which
has worked in stopping unpopular proposed development.


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RegularJoe

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426, Your post ends with "Edited: 11/07/2019 at 03:11 PM by 2nd Light Forums Moderator" -- is anything important now missing from your original post?

Edited: 11/08/2019 at 08:12 AM by RegularJoe
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Originally posted by: RegularJoe

426, Your post ends with "Edited: 11/07/2019 at 03:11 PM by 2nd Light Forums Moderator" -- is anything important now missing from your original post?




No, nothing missing, nothing removed.
It was "edited" for paragraph spacing to make it more readable.


 11/08/2019 12:32 PM
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rc

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I hate to name names, but here goes. Several years ago just when they started the twin towers of hell, I called John Stone, building Director for Sat Bch to inquire about the project.

He told me that the condo was going to deed 25 feet of land on the south end when the final building was CO'd (Certificate of Occupancy). Here we are near that point and I don't see 25 feet there. I see some underground power utility boxes and a narrow strip of land on the south end of the chain link fence. Nowhere near 25 feet.

I see the north Scorpion Court with barriers from storm damage.

He said he was a surfer growing up here.

I guess he's not a surfer anymore.

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RegularJoe

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The developer (of the condos at RCs) verbally agreed in public to create a public beach access at the south end of his property.

If there are audio recordings of the meetings going back that far, it should be in the archives. I was at the meeting where it happened.
 11/08/2019 02:31 PM
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rc

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A verbal for 25 precious feet of ocean front property? Thanks for nothing Sat Bch.

Also, just drove by that area and the former LungRx is now for sale, and one of the realtor signs is planted in front of the worm hole trail surfers have been walking through.

Put a fork in it, we're done.

The final nail in the proverbial coffin will be parking enforcement in the Publix parking lot.

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Palm_Grower

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There are two 6' pedestrian walkways at the condos across from Publix

 11/08/2019 06:32 PM
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Palm_Grower

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Tried to attach other file but this forum doesn't let me.

There were supposed to be two 6' easements. Looks like only one was recorded.???

6' easement at south end of property is recorded here;

https://vaclmweb1.brevardclerk.us/AcclaimWeb/search/SearchTypeName


Record Date:
7/31/2018

Book Type:
OR - Official Records
Book / Page:
8226/1420
Clerk File Number:
2018171376


Edited: 11/08/2019 at 06:41 PM by Palm_Grower
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SurfCaster

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"pretty sure the gulf stream steers most storms out of our way see: matthew, dorian, etc... "

??? I question the relevance of that statement, not to mention its veracity.

My prediction - In 15 years Satellite Beach will look like Cocoa Beach does now.

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Edited: 11/08/2019 at 07:17 PM by SurfCaster
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dingpatch

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OK so, screw it. Nobody other than surfers give a rectal leak about RC's, Surfers are just miserable pudknockers who do not contribute anything meaningful to society. Let's move on.

It would now be more productive to argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
 11/12/2019 12:21 PM
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Apparently there is a rally scheduled for this Saturday to protest the condos.

From Surfrider: And finally, if you haven't heard about the proposed condo & hotel development in Satellite Beach, please get involved. We need the City of Satellite Beach to stand by the original zoning for this property across A1A from Hightower Park. Besides being adjacent to a critical turtle nesting habitat, do we really need Satellite Beach to become the next Miami? There is a rally planned for this Sat. 11/16 at Hightower Park, Shearwater Pkwy & A1A, starting at noon. Details here: No More Condo Towers in Satellite Beach.. There will be a second, and final, vote on this project at next Wednesday's City Council meeting:

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 11/12/2019 02:09 PM
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Palm_Grower

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Unfortunately, we can protest all we want. It won't do any good. They are allowed 4 condos and 17 multi-level buildings by law. They just spent $13.5 million on the land and another $1 million to clear it. It is going to be developed.

It's the people in 2004/2005 that zoned it this way that are the problem, sell outs.
Yes, there will be condos from Key West to Jacksonville. It's inevitable.

The vote is not "to do the project" or "not to do the project."
The vote is whether there will be "three condos and a hotel" or "four condos and 17 multi story buildings."




 11/13/2019 08:19 AM
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stokedpanda

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Originally posted by: Palm_Grower



Yes, there will be condos from Key West to Jacksonville. It's inevitable.



Not in flagler beach!



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 11/13/2019 12:30 PM
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426Blue

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Agreed- there's loads of beach towns that have not succumbed to anything close to what Satellite allows. One other alternative is for the city to buy back the property. Population of Satellite - around 15,000, around $1,000.00 per resident, or funded through increases in taxes elsewhere based on tourism or whatever else the city can determine is taxable?? No one over blinks an eye at tourist, sales, gas, "impact" taxes etc. And of course - get rid of the leadership, as they are doing no favors to residents. The people certainly had, and maybe still have the power to fix this.
 11/13/2019 12:59 PM
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Palm_Grower

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Why not in Flagler?

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RegularJoe

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Another meeting coming up this week...
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