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Obama's travel costs break records as endless family vacations are are tallied
September 15, 2017
By Judicial Watch

(Washington, DC) -  Judicial Watch today announced it obtained travel records from the Secret Service in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit, bringing the known total of travel expenses for former President Barack Obama and his family to $105,662,975.27.  The latest records show President Trump's travel expenses total slightly over $4 million.

Judicial Watch also announced that oral argument will be heard on Friday, September 15, 2017, in an additional FOIA lawsuit challenging the district court's dismissal of Judicial Watch's claim that Homeland Security has a history of violating FOIA's requirements in the processing of Judicial Watch's requests.

(Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Homeland Security (No. 1:15-cv-01983)). Judicial Watch sought discovery in this case.
The hearing will be held before D.C. Circuit Judges Judith W. Rogers, Sri Srinivasan, and Cornelia T.L. Pillard:
Date: Friday, September 15, 2017
Time: 9:30 A.M.
Location: Courtroom 31
U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
333 Constitution Ave NW
Washington, DC 20001

The new Obama travel records obtained from the Secret Service were the result of a FOIA lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security (No. 1:17-cv-01007)). Judicial Watch's lawsuit produced the following travel records showing a total of $3,696,266.56 for Obama travel:
Michelle Obama's trip to Morocco cost $128,108.47 in hotels; $88,725.60 in car rentals; $1,476.07 in gas/oil and $972.22 in cell phone charges for a total of $244,218.01
Michelle Obama's trip to Liberia cost $55,220 in hotels; $44,000 in car rentals; $2,500 in gas/oil and $1,000 in cell phone charges for a total of $107,890

Michelle Obama's trip to Spain cost $79,764.49 in hotels; $81,750.99 in car rentals and $4,547 in staff overtime pay for a total of $166,062.48

Obama's November 2016 appearance at a Clinton campaign rally in Orlando, FL. cost $150,530.99 in hotels; $103,526.96 in air/rail; $11,588.76 in car rentals and $5,829 in equipment for a total of $271,467.71

Obama's trip to Los Angeles in October 2016, which included two fundraisers and an appearance on "Jimmy Kimmel Live" cost $127,822 in hotels; $38,715 in air/rail; $24,326 in equipment and $4,992.30 in car rentals for a total of $195,855

Michelle Obama's October 2016 appearance at a Clinton campaign rally in North Carolina cost $13,206 in hotels; $11,965 in air/rail and $1,331 in car rentals for a total of $26,502

The Obama family trip to Martha's Vineyard in August 2016 cost $2,512,380.88 in hotels; $89,586.82 in rental cars; $53,234.69 in air/rail and $29,068.97 in miscellaneous expenditures for a total of $2,684,271.36

The Secret Service spent $1,862,230.74 on the Obamas' final Christmas to Honolulu on the taxpayers' dime: $1,765,583.12 on hotels and $96,647.62 on car rentals.

Added to the previously released costs, the known total of travel expenses for the Obamas is now $105,662,975.27
Separately, providing protection for Hillary Clinton between April 11 and May 6, 2015 cost the Secret Service $23,323.14 in car rentals; $294.057.65 in air/rail and $32,856.80 in travel vouchers for a total of $350,237.59.

Judicial Watch also released travel expenses related to President Trump's travel totaling $4,082,427.71:
President Trump's "Thank You Tour" between November 9 and December 12, 2016 cost $330,260.86 in hotels; $112,314 in air/rail; $14,340 in equipment and $18,563.44 in car rentals for a total of $475,478.30

Trump visits to Mar-a-Lago between February 3 and March 27, 2017 cost $1,474,726.03 in hotels (including $19,760 at Mar-a-Lago), $284,581.63 on car rentals; $1,791,768.33 on air/rail and $55,873.42 on supplies and services for a total of $3,606,949.41
Judicial Watch previously released records Air Force records showing Trump administration travel costs. The grand total for President Trump's and Vice President Pence's travel to date is $7,560,425.01.
It cost the Secret Service an additional $95,187.58 to secure Trump Tower from November 9 through December 5, 2016.

Judicial Watch recently filed a FOIA lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, for the Secret Service travel expenditures for Trump family during April 2017 and Obama family between January 2009 and April 2017 (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security (No. 1:17-cv-01341)).

The suit was filed after the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Secret Service failed to respond to FOIA requests filed in April and May 2017 seeking mission taskings, transportation costs, passenger manifests and security costs.

Judicial Watch seeks Air Force records for:
Trump's trip to Mar-a-Lago between April 6 - 9 when he hosted Chinese President Xi Jinping
Obama's trips to Chicago between January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2017

Trump's trip weekend with his family
Judicial Watch seeks Secret Service records for:
Trump and companions' trip to Mar-a-Lago between April 6 - 9
Obama and companions' trips to Chicago between January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2017

Obama and his companions' trips to Chicago between January 20, 2017, and April 12, 2017

Trump and companions' trip to Mar-a-Lago April 14-16
"It is troubling to see such massive amounts of money paid out for trips that appear to have minimal value to the public interest," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.  "And it is frustrating to have file multiple FOIA lawsuits and engage in long-running court battles to get basic information about the costs of presidential travel."

Judicial Watch is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Contributions are received from individuals, foundations, and corporations and are tax-deductible to the extent allowed by law.


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LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! sad.
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"Judicial Watch, Inc. is a conservative, non-partisan educational foundation." WTF kind of oxyMORON foundation is that? Typical BS foundation built solely to spread PARTISAN BS.
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Yall should argue the FACTS instead of attempting to trash the messenger.

You and FACTS just don't get along!

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You wouldnt know a fact if progblo stuffed it up your well traveled bung orifice. How's MILO! doing in your master bait, er, bed, room?
duuuhhhh...

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 09/16/2017 04:22 AM
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That article is buffoonery, real fake news.

100m in 8 years for Obama. 32m in 8 mos for Trump. It costs over 4m PER TRIP to palm beach. Those are the real facts...

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Might as well mention the Treasure Sec (A billionaire) who used a gove jet to fly to Europe for their honeymoon. $25,000 an hour. How much do you think that cost us?
This is the same guy who bought up bank home mortgages, after the last Repug fugged this country up, and foreclosed on the lot of them.
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"The latest records show President Trump's travel expenses total slightly over $4 million. "

Huh? How is that remotely possible? If they're going to make up a number, shouldn't they make up a reasonable number?

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Originally posted by: DaveFL76

"The latest records show President Trump's travel expenses total slightly over $4 million. "


Huh? How is that remotely possible? If they're going to make up a number, shouldn't they make up a reasonable number?


They quoted exact details...to the penny.

If you disagree...prove otherwize!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer
Originally posted by: DaveFL76 "The latest records show President Trump's travel expenses total slightly over $4 million. " Huh? How is that remotely possible? If they're going to make up a number, shouldn't they make up a reasonable number?
They quoted exact details...to the penny. If you disagree...prove otherwize!
Congressional Research Service says that every hour Air Force One flies costs about $180k. $4,000,000 will get you 22 hours of flying time. Trump has taken 17 trips so far. Let's just say it's an average of 4 hours in the air each trip. That's 68 hours in the air, or $12 million in Air Force One costs alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...s_made_by_Donald_Trump

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21835.pdf

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Oh! Let's take this recreational math further!

If Air Force One trips under Trump have racked up a bill of $12 million so far, that's only over 8 months. That's an average of $1.5m per month. Let's assume Trump is a 2 term, 8-year president and annualize that.

1.5m * 12 * 8 = $144 million in Air Force One costs over 8 years.

My statistical spidey-senses tell me that the story isn't comparing apples to apples. But thank you for the opportunity to do some recreational math. Cheers!

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Originally posted by: DaveFL76

Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: DaveFL76



"The latest records show President Trump's travel expenses total slightly over $4 million. "





Huh? How is that remotely possible? If they're going to make up a number, shouldn't they make up a reasonable number?




They quoted exact details...to the penny.



If you disagree...prove otherwize!


Congressional Research Service says that every hour Air Force One flies costs about $180k. $4,000,000 will get you 22 hours of flying time. Trump has taken 17 trips so far. Let's just say it's an average of 4 hours in the air each trip. That's 68 hours in the air, or $12 million in Air Force One costs alone.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...s_made_by_Donald_Trump


https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21835.pdf


Who said they took Air Force 1?

Who also said that the 17 trips were included in that tally?

As a matter of fact they clearly stated this:

"Judicial Watch recently filed a FOIA lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, for the Secret Service travel expenditures for Trump family during April 2017 and Obama family between January 2009 and April 2017 (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security (No. 1:17-cv-01341)).

The suit was filed after the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Secret Service failed to respond to FOIA requests filed in April and May 2017 seeking mission taskings, transportation costs, passenger manifests and security costs.

Judicial Watch seeks Air Force records for:
Trump's trip to Mar-a-Lago between April 6 - 9 when he hosted Chinese President Xi Jinping
Obama's trips to Chicago between January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2017

Trump's trip weekend with his family
Judicial Watch seeks Secret Service records for:
Trump and companions' trip to Mar-a-Lago between April 6 - 9
Obama and companions' trips to Chicago between January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2017

Obama and his companions' trips to Chicago between January 20, 2017, and April 12, 2017"



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Originally posted by: Fish Killer Who said they took Air Force 1?

Whitehouse.gov?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/air-force-one

https://www.airforcetimes.com/...-at-least-1-2-million/

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Originally posted by: DaveFL76
Originally posted by: Fish Killer
Who said they took Air Force 1?

Whitehouse.gov?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/air-force-one
https://www.airforcetimes.com/...-at-least-1-2-million/


"Judicial Watch obtained the documents under the Freedom of Information Act. The group has spent years studying the cost of presidential travel and has argued that taxpayers are bearing far too much of the costs. Tom Fitton, president of the group, previously told The Associated Press that Trump should be transparent about the expense of his trips and should make the case to the American public that it is important for him to be at his resort."

"Obama's travel costs break records as endless family vacations are are tallied
September 15, 2017
By Judicial Watch "

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You do realize that Judicial Watch isn't on either side....

Right?

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I'm not suggesting that flying the Obamas around at a tally of $100+ million sounds like great deal. I'm just putting it out there that the story suggesting that Trump's only racked up $4 million in travel costs seems disingenuous. Because, as you pointed out, the details aren't in yet. It's a bad sample size.

I'c curious to see if some media outlets will run with the $4m as if it's a complete number.

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They clearly state that it's NOT a complete number.

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Those numbers are through March FK and exclude some things that should not be...JW is requesting more info.

BTW JW cannot be conservative and non-partisan, unless I am missing something.

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Originally posted by: wtf Those numbers are through March FK and exclude some things that should not be...JW is requesting more info. BTW JW cannot be conservative and non-partisan, unless I am missing something.
You're not, they're trying to mislead the gullible like FK.
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