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Topic Title: Comey wants Trump to lose the election.
Topic Summary: He doesnt want him impeached first.
Created On: 04/16/2018 11:17 AM
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 04/16/2018 11:17 AM
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johnnyboy

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I know these things take time, but two more years? Damn. Then what happens?

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 04/16/2018 06:44 PM
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RustyTruck

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Comey is selling books. If dems win both houses, trump goes down.



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 04/16/2018 09:42 PM
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WG

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I think it matters a lot more what Mueller reveals, and when the NYAG decides to unseal his indictments.


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 04/17/2018 06:08 AM
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johnnyboy

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I listened to him this morning and he makes his case for the double standard regarding the difference between revealing Hillary's investigation and concealing the Russian investigation fairly well. He doesn't take the credit or the blame for tipping the scales in trump's favor at the most crucial moment, but he will go down in history as the deciding factor. He was so determined to avoid the appearance of impropriety that he felt the need to address the wiener emails to placate the Fox crowd. He goes easy on himself because he says the public already knew of the investigation and this was an update whereas the Russia story was not out there and there was no need to inform the public about that investigation because that could have affected the outcome of that investigation. It's plaisible but naive.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

 04/17/2018 08:17 AM
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3rdworldlover

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He was put in a tough spot, and expecting Hillary to win by a large margin, though he was doing the right thing to protect FBI credibility. No way he could've imagined just how insane Trump's DOJ and Fox "news" has been since.

Was hard for me to believe he was so surprised that Trump fired him.

Haven't read his book, but so far the anti-Hillary NYFBI leakers aren't being discussed in his interviews.



 04/17/2018 12:35 PM
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3rdworldlover

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Wa-Po

Comey's willingness to let such concerns influence these episodes reflects the success of a decades-long campaign by Republicans and GOP-aligned media to skew the political dialog by hyping fake scandals, which in this case led Comey to act to "avoid charges of favoritism," thus willingly handing bad-faith actors leverage over law enforcement. It's hard to read Comey's NPR interview as anything other than confirmation of this.
 04/17/2018 01:10 PM
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johnnyboy

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So he was right about having to make the electorate flush this toilet and not let them off easy with an impeachment.

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 04/18/2018 08:57 AM
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 04/18/2018 07:46 PM
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3rdworldlover

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http://lawfareblog.com/behind-...comeys-higher-loyalty

However earnestly one tries, the effort to act apolitically will be understood as politicization. The explanations one then offers of one's conduct and thinking will be interpreted as ego-driven self-justification. The steps one takes to keep the bureau out of politics in such a situation - however sincere, however open - become politicization.

The problem reminds me of Kierkegaard's famous passage on marriage:

If you marry, you will regret it; if you do not marry, you will also regret it. . . . Laugh at the world's follies, you will regret it; weep over them and you will also regret that. . . . . Hang yourself, you will regret it, do not hang yourself, and you will also regret that; hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both. . . . This, gentlemen, is the sum and substance of all philosophy.
That the steps designed to keep the FBI out of politics - and perceived as out of politics - will themselves be taken as political acts is not a reason not to undertake the effort. The effort itself is a sacred trust. But it is a reason to understand the inherent limits of the undertaking. Charge Hillary Clinton and you will regret it. Don't charge her and you will regret that too. Explain your reasoning and you will regret it. Don't explain your reasoning and you will regret it. Inform Congress of your actions immediately before an election, and you will regret that. Don't inform Congress and you will regret that too. I don't know if this is the sum and substance of all philosophy, but it is a good rule of thumb: The steps you take to remain apolitical will make you political.

Or as Comey describes it in the book:

"You know you are totally screwed, right?"

The FBI deputy director in the summer of 2015 was a plainspoken, smart, and darkly funny career special agent named Mark Giuliano.

I smiled tightly. "Yup," I said. "Nobody gets out alive."
 04/19/2018 02:50 AM
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RustyTruck

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He's right, there was no way out for him.

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 04/19/2018 05:30 AM
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3rdworldlover

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They say Loretta Lynch likely behaved unethically regarding the Hillary investigations, and to watch for the forthcoming IG report.
 04/21/2018 05:31 AM
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#1 on amazon. You can read the forward and first snippets of first chapter:
http://www.amazon.com/Higher-L...&sr=8-1&keywords=comey
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