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Topic Title: Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge
Topic Summary: Awwwwwww....darn! It's imploding! But nobody could have seen that commung. :-0 (NOT!)
Created On: 12/14/2018 07:39 PM
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 12/14/2018 07:39 PM
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Fish Killer

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Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge
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The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, was struck down by a Texas judge on Friday, a move that could suddenly disrupt the health insurance status of millions of Americans. The decision comes amid a six-week open enrollment period for the program.

Texas, along with 19 states, had argued to U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor that they had been hurt by a jump in the amount of people utilizing state-backed insurance. When Congress cut the tax penalty from the program in 2017, the states claimed, it essentially undercut the Supreme Court's reasoning for finding former President Barack Obama's signature legislation constitutional in 2012.

"The remainder of the ACA is non-severable from the individual mandate, meaning that the Act must be invalidated in whole," O'Connor wrote in a 55-page opinion, according to Bloomberg. O'Connor is a conservative Republican appointee who previously blocked other Obama-era policies.

"As I predicted all along, Obamacare has been struck down as an UNCONSTITUTIONAL disaster," President Trump tweeted following the ruling. "Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. Mitch and Nancy, get it done!"

In a second tweet, the president declared the ruling to be "great news for America!"


California and other states ruled against by the judge will likely challenge the decision by appealing in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.

"Today's ruling is an assault on 133 million Americans with pre-existing conditions, on the 20 million Americans who rely on the A.C.A.'s consumer protections for health care, on America's faithful progress toward affordable health care for all Americans," Xavier Becerra, California's attorney general, said in a statement, according to The New York Times. "The A.C.A. has already survived more than 70 unsuccessful repeal attempts and withstood scrutiny in the Supreme Court."

"Obamacare has been struck down by a highly respected judge," White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement.

"The judge's decision vindicates President Trump's position that Obamacare is unconstitutional," Sanders continued. "Once again, the President calls on Congress to replace Obamacare and act to protect people with preexisting conditions and provide Americans with quality affordable healthcare. We expect this ruling will be appealed to the Supreme Court. Pending the appeal process, the law remains in place."

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Democratic leaders, meanwhile, reacted harshly to the decision.
"The ruling seems to be based on faulty legal reasoning and hopefully it will be overturned," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., tweeted. "Americans who care about working families must do all they can to prevent this district court ruling from becoming law."

"While the district court's absurd ruling will be immediately appealed, Republicans are fully responsible for this cruel decision and for the fear they have struck into millions of families across America who are now in danger of losing their health coverage," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said in a statement. "When House Democrats take the gavel, the House of Representatives will move swiftly to formally intervene in the appeals process to uphold the life-saving protections for people with pre-existing conditions and reject Republicans' effort to destroy the Affordable Care Act."

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 12/14/2018 08:39 PM
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Trump is celebrating the fact that 100 million will lose their insurance, my family included, while the Republicans have repeatedly failed at a replacement?

This will go over like a turd in the punch bowl. lol

Can a circuit judge overrule the SCOTUS?

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 12/15/2018 06:31 AM
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Why should someone with a "real" job be on Obamacare? Crappy employer!

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 12/15/2018 07:23 AM
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And just like that Oblama's "legacy" vanishes. Some great quotes from the disaster....."we have to pass this bill to see what's in it" "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" The evil ways of the deep state democrats are being exposed. Nobody should be celebrating this. The French come together against their deep state while we let them divide us. Truth.

Edited: 12/15/2018 at 07:23 AM by goynleft
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Originally posted by: Cole

Trump is celebrating the fact that 100 million will lose their insurance, my family included, while the Republicans have repeatedly failed at a replacement?
This will go over like a turd in the punch bowl. lol
Can a circuit judge overrule the SCOTUS?


Yo...SHITHEAD!

I LOST my insurance when Obama guaranteed me I could keep mine!

He said I could keep my doctor too!

I lost MY doctor!

My premiums have OVER DOUBLED!

ASSHOLE!



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 12/15/2018 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole
Can a circuit judge overrule the SCOTUS?


One other thing dipshit....

Congress signed a tax law last year that included removing the 'individual mandate' from Obamacare.

By removing the 'individual mandate' Congress effectively changed/altered the foundation of Obamacare that actually made it a tax (SCOTUS Roberts ruling that Obamacare was a tax).

It's NOT a tax any more....thus it's un-constitutional.

ANY MORON CAN SEE THIS!

Idiot!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
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Edited: 12/15/2018 at 10:47 AM by Fish Killer
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Yep- we definitely need a new President (one with some skills)

to get in there and clean up this healthcare mess.

The one we have now spends all his time on Twitter calling people names.



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 12/16/2018 04:17 AM
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How odd. All these Republicans pledging that they wanted to protect coverage for preexisting conditions before the election, are now cheering a ruling that would effectively end the surest way to keep those protections in place.

Just repugs being repugs.

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Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. Mitch and Nancy, get it done!"
How do you propose to pay to protect pre-existing conditions without an "individual mandate"? Trump promised this and now he is trying to pass the buck. Tell us how this is supposed to work. Pre-existing conditions are uninsurable and cannot be covered without some kind of subsidy. Where shall we seek the subsidy?

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In a proper free-market capitalist health care system there'd be no regulation and no subsidy. You get what healthcare you can afford and what insurance the companies are willing to sell you priced to your risk. This is the system we should have to give the TeaParty what is says it wants. Health care is not a right, remember.

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the ruling will probably be overturned.

and, do the repubs have a good health care plan ready to go?

they sure have had enough time to put one together.

Where's the repub's health care plan?

when does it go into effect?

are they interested in a real solution?

or would they rather just keep talking about the problem, and blaming President Obama?


We need solutions. Not whining babies. and finger pointers, like pumpkinHead...
 12/16/2018 11:04 AM
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Healthcare IS NOT a 'right' and never will be!

You cant legislate/STEAL someone's skill, knowledge and talent for FREE!

Thats THEFT!

MORON!



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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Edited: 12/16/2018 at 11:04 AM by Fish Killer
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So there should be no subsidy for health care (including employer provided care tax breaks) and no EMTALA and no regulation that requires insurers to cover pre-existing conditions.

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Trump is demanding coverage for pre-existing conditions. How does that work in a free market system?

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 12/16/2018 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by: scombrid In a proper free-market capitalist health care system there'd be no regulation and no subsidy. You get what healthcare you can afford and what insurance the companies are willing to sell you priced to your risk. This is the system we should have to give the TeaParty what is says it wants. Health care is not a right, remember.


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Originally posted by: scombrid
Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. Mitch and Nancy, get it done!"
How do you propose to pay to protect pre-existing conditions without an "individual mandate"? Trump promised this and now he is trying to pass the buck. Tell us how this is supposed to work. Pre-existing conditions are uninsurable and cannot be covered without some kind of subsidy. Where shall we seek the subsidy?


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 12/16/2018 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by: crankit

Why should someone with a "real" job be on Obamacare? Crappy employer!


Honestly, are you that our of touch?
Been in that big socialist cocoon that covers you too long?
Don't see the reality for most?
Or are you a vet that uses the socialist VA medical system?

Because many real jobs don't offer it these days. Too expensive.
Big companies living off the DOD socialist tit can bill the rest of us for it, but many companies either can't or don't.

I am an independent consulting engineer, I pay for my own insurance.
I just enrolled in an Obamacare plan that costs about the same as the previous employers plan that I was continuing via COBRA.

But this plans coverage is much better, covers far more albeit with a higher deductible.
Without Obamacare, I'd be paying far more to find any insurer that would accept my pre-existing conditions and age.

Thanks Obama.


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Edited: 12/16/2018 at 01:12 PM by WG
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Trump Fish Killer Says: Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. Mitch and Nancy, get it done!"
Come on Trumpers. Tell me how that is supposed to work.

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If we get my wish and we go to a free market system and fat old men in their late 50s and older can no longer get a decent policy; will having property purchased with the proceeds of an estate sale in a trust shield that property from medical bill debt collectors when an expensive illness racks up bills in the high 6 figure to 7 figure territory? Asking for a friend.

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mr. PumpkinHead is bragging what a Great Health Care Plan we're going to have.
As with all things Pumpkin Head, NO DETAILS.

trump has a pre existing condition. he's a sociopath. and we're stuck with him.

now he's stuck with a Democratic House.
will his head explode when he hears the word no?

Pumpkin Head wants healthcare.
He's had 2 years, but did nothing.

But he and the republicos have NO Plan.
Now he'll just blame the dems.

And Mexico will pay for the Wall...

Idiot!
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