I guess we have that in common.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

That's what happens when you don't read so well.

Also, Mueller took down all the crooked Enron execs. You don't get much more anti-establishment than that.

Edited: 01/28/2019 at 09:35 AM by HAPDigital

Conspiring with a hostile foreign government to illegally influence the outcome of a US election is the most serious challenge to American government to date.

It's really hard to take these guys seriously when they: 1. Pretend it didn't happen or 2. Pretend that it's not important.

There are only two possible explanations for that. Either they lack intelligence or they are unamerican. Maybe both in a few cases.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

What do you mean by this: "Conspiring with a hostile foreign government to illegally influence the outcome of a US election"

You talking about someone conspiring with Wikileaks, who conspired with Russia, to release, real, dumbass emails written by members of the DNC? If so, who and where's your evidence?

You talking about these Facebook ads or maybe the oh-so-damning Reddit posts?

It's a F'ING joke.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

An "F'ING joke" is when you do not realize or care to realize that it is illegal to take hacked info gathered from Russian intelligence and use it to sway our election in the US. If team Trump conspired with Russian intelligence, which is what it is looking like especially with the Stone indictment, it is a big problem. I'm not sure why you have no problem with this. You're cool with it because Trump is your guy?

You realize that the crimes Roger Stone has been accused of all happened after the 2016 election was over, right?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

"After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by Organization 1, a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign."

The requests grew more specific and appeared targeted to reinforce campaign narratives, which were also being echoed by social media memes being pushed by Russian trolls. After WikiLeaks dropped another bombshell on October 7, an associate of a high-ranking Trump campaign official texted Stone saying, "Well done."



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Edited: 01/28/2019 at 10:22 AM by RustyTruck

You realize you did not read the indictment, right? Otherwise you'd realize what I am talking about has nothing to do with after the 2016 election. SMH Sniper, you need to read more....

Here is the full indictment:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5694780-Roger-Stone-Indictment.html#document/p5

Edited: 01/28/2019 at 10:22 AM by HAPDigital

If Trump has been compromised by the Russians and he is a puppet of Putin, then why does he need to ask someone on his staff, to ask Roger Stone, to ask Wikileaks, to ask Russia, what information they had on Hillary and when it will be released? That doesn't make any sense.

On the other hand, you have Hillary, who funneled money through a law firm to pay Robert Steele, a British ex-spy who has been fired by the FBI for being an unreliable resource, to create the dossier. Althought it was unverified, it was pushed through the FISA courts to justify spying on members of the Trump campaign. THIS IS PROVEN.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

That is not even close to a crime. The crimes with which Stone is charged all took place after the election, as Sniper said. And that is telling. No allegation that Stone did any colluding. You progs are out of luck again. Best settle down and wait patiently until you can go ballistic over some white guy smiling at an inveterate liar.

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I :heart; Q

Another idiot not reading what was said here.

Who cares if it was unverified and who cares who paid for it? A Marco Rubio donor started it in the first place. It's like someone robbing your house. If the police get a tip via unverified info provided by a neighbor you hate, would it not be right for the law to go after suspects based on that lead? The lead is leading to tons of shit and lots of lying about it, all connected to, you guessed it, Russian spies.

The moral of the story is you really really wanted Clinton to be guilty of something cause you "think" and you "believe" she did without any actual legal evidence of her doing so, even after multiple investigations done by multiple organizations. You also "think" she is this devious witch that has all this money to give the FBI to keep them quiet, with absolutely no evidence besides conspiracy theory and hunches. Meanwhile you have an actual witch being revealed and you could care less because it's your boy and you wish it happened to their girl instead. So ridiculous. You don't think firms have been hired over and over to get dirt on Clinton? They couldn't find anything. It's why they worked with Russia.... SMH

Edited: 01/28/2019 at 11:38 AM by HAPDigital

Ughhh, the FISA court should definitely care about both of these.

Did Clinton funnel money through a lawfirm to pay for the dossier? Yes.
Was the dossier used as justification for FISA warrants on members of the Trump campaign? Yes.
Was the FISA judge made aware of who paid for the dossier or that it was unverified? No.
Did FBI agents discuss internally that the dossier was unverified and that could present a problem? Yes.
Yet, you think no crimes were committed by anyone during any of this? I'll be very surprised if we have heard the last of this.

Your turn. You try to succuntly connect the dots of what you think happend with Trump colluding with Russa.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

If any of this was a crime they'd have at it by now. It's clear you want a conspiracy somewhere that there is not one and you are bummed because they keep finding more info leading us to Trump/Russia instead of a crime you wish happened with the way they are going about it. I'm sorry bud, you're getting bad info. You're listening to opinions from right wing hacks that don't mean anything in reality. You're basically regurgitating fish's talking points which have no bearing on reality.

They would not "have it" by now if there was a crime. What they have is the lies under oath. It's not until the truth about those lies is corroborated and substantiated by objective means, like emails, data and the testimony of cooperating witnesses, can they have it. Your lack of patience does not equal a lack of evidence. It's merely proof that good cases take a good amount of time.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

How is there not a crime when you have FBI agents withholding information and misrepresenting facts to a judge in order to justify warrants to spy on the political opponent of the person financing the document being used to justify the warrant?

Yet, I'm the one looking for conspiracy theories, when I can tell you exactly what I think happened but you can't. lol WTF is going on here? People have completely lost their fucking minds.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

NO....CRAPDigital is LYING his ass off again!

Thats what he does!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Opinions don't make things law. Sorry, like I said, you are getting bad info. Mostly opinions...not law. Every article about the topic is opinion pieces, not actual news information with facts supporting it.

Edited: 01/28/2019 at 01:07 PM by HAPDigital

"Two things are clearer than ever before - an alarming number of people in trump's orbit came into contact with Russians... and a growing list of them lied about it... the question we're left with today: Why?" - @NicolleDWallace

The truth will come out, whether or not trump ever goes to jail for it. Gotti got away with a lot for a long time, so did Capone. This guy is dirty on so many fronts it's hard to say what they will eventually get him for. Conspiracy, tax evasion, money laundering, who knows.

The investigation, as they say, is "ongoing".

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti