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Topic Title: Putin's adviser Surkov to those "who cry about Russian meddling in elections"
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 02/13/2019 08:09 AM
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Sniper

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Just because illiegal immigration started to decline when the economy took a shit doesn't mean that it won't go back up. Also, whether it is declining or not has nothing to do with the fact that thousands of people lost their lives or were sexually assaulted last year that didn't have to be.

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 02/13/2019 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper
Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover It's used to steer political discourse and shape false perceptions. Immigration became the most discussed issue beginning in 2016, following a decade long trend of declining immigration and increased enforcement, because of their work.
You think it was all Facebook? You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that 13% of our prison population is here illegally? What about the thousands murdered by illegals or the tens of thousands that are sexually assaulted by them each year? I don't understand how you can know anyone who was murdered or assaulted by an illegal alien without thinking to yourself that it didn't have to happen and could have totally been prevented if our country had only enforced its own laws and border.
I think it is a hot button issue that is blown out of proportion. Obviously a certain percentage of people who come illegally will.commit crimes, some violent. American citizens also commit lots of crimes, some violent. The position that we should strengthen border is reasonable certainly, but how? Our border is huge. The constant memes on Facebook etc with scary pictures of immigrants and stories of them killing attractive younger white girls while in the individual instance may or may not be true depending on case, they are disingenuous over simplifications of a complex issue designed to rile the base and/or sow division within our country depending on if it is cynical political operatives or foreign operatives doing the creation and spreading.
 02/13/2019 08:22 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Illegal immigration peaked in 2008.
obama's stance on illegal immigration helped with that, not to mention the 600m boost he provided in 2010. of course there are other reasons for that too, like economy as was mentioned. border security isnt an issue just for trump voters. plenty of non progressive democrats want it too, just via different methodology

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 02/13/2019 09:30 AM
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3rdworldlover

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Just because illiegal immigration started to decline when the economy took a shit doesn't mean that it won't go back up. Also, whether it is declining or not has nothing to do with the fact that thousands of people lost their lives or were sexually assaulted last year that didn't have to be.



A recent studyof crime statistics in Texas by the libertarian Cato Institute found that illegal immigrants are far less likely to be arrested or convicted of all crimes, even though they are much less likely to have access to legal representation. The conviction rate for all crimes was 50% of native-born Americans. Similar statistics are published in other studies.

Based on facts and statistics, increasing immigration, even illegal immigrantion, would lower the crime rates in the USA.

Further, the rate of immigration as a percentage of US population over the last decade is about the same or lower than the average for the last century.

Find another justification for the immigration "crisis."
 02/13/2019 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper Just because illiegal immigration started to decline when the economy took a shit doesn't mean that it won't go back up. Also, whether it is declining or not has nothing to do with the fact that thousands of people lost their lives or were sexually assaulted last year that didn't have to be.
So how is building a wall going to help with the opioid crisis? And a president who says just grab em by the pussy going to help with reducing sexual assualt

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