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 04/18/2019 01:00 PM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Greensleeves AOC will bring extra voters to the fore that didn't show for Hillary. The people that voted for Hillary will be there for Joe or Bernie. It's the people that like someone like AOC that could push this well past the MAGAs weak arthritic claws.
she will yes, as is. a presidential candidate like her is a diff story. would lose as many gained, if not more. prefer not to risk it, trump has to go
 04/19/2019 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by: RiddleMe
Originally posted by: RustyTruck @Riddle - if AOC "scares you as much as trump", makes me wonder what you stand for.
why? if i dont stand with one of two polarizing....figures, i stand for nothing? silly
more people here need to read this quote.... 100000 times
 04/19/2019 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Originally posted by: RiddleMe



Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Silly to suggest that AOC is "polarizing and nutzo". That's pretty ugly against a youthful Democratic Congresswoman who seems to be the only one who is proposing anything at all to improve the material situation of working people.



Was I mistaken in thinking you were a Democrat?




comment had nothing to do with age, gender, or ethnicity. many democrats dont support her. many democrats arent progressives. hardly unique to me, not sure why that is so shocking




It's the future of your party. You can't win without them.

The kids are critical of capitalism (and rightly so) and pissed that no one is taking environmental disaster seriously.



You can't win on being "not trump". Either they build a coalition with the left wing or keep losing.


When I was a teenager, many of my fellow baby boomers were critical of capitalism. We are now, according to Greensleeves, all old, white, male conservatives. In other words, most of the current youth will be disabused of such nonsense with the accumulation of experience and wisdom. Most youth don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.

Wisdom? More like indoctrination. People like you are a bunch of greedy fools who have been played. Money is your master.


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 04/19/2019 05:34 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: Plan B

Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: RustyTruck
@Riddle - if AOC "scares you as much as trump", makes me wonder what you stand for.


why? if i dont stand with one of two polarizing....figures, i stand for nothing? silly


more people here need to read this quote.... 100000 times


You're equivocating lawless mobster government with a progressive left platform promoting immediate large scale efforts to mitigate climate change, establish a national healthcare system, and protect workers from exploitation.

I'm asking the question - what do you and the centrist Dems stand for? Just being "not trump" isn't good enough. The GOP has swung to the right and the Dems have curved right with them to the point that they don't even recognize their historical positions.

The Dem party of today would never have created Medicare and Social Security in the first place. "Too radical", "Never happen".



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 04/19/2019 05:40 AM
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As I have said many months back, the GOP has an AOC problem. Smart and hot - sorry grumpy old pussies, sexy wins all the time. She blows Palin out of the water. LMFAO

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1119047161570897921

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 04/19/2019 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck The Dem party of today would never have created Medicare and Social Security in the first place. "Too radical", "Never happen".
you mean the same democratic party responsible for the affordable care act? proposing gun law reform? wanting to save the environment? fix infrastructure? you act like aoc is the only answer and no other dem wants to accomplish things for the good of the people. that is simply wrong and foolish. curious as to why you feel the need to alienate liberals, insult us, and present us forward as the enemy all the while acting super sensitive over someone polarizing like aoc? more than a tad hypocritical of you. you know what is actually destroying this country? division

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 04/19/2019 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by: wtf Smart and hot - sorry grumpy old pussies, sexy wins all the time. She blows Palin out of the water. LMFAO
dont get the sex appeal at all. just as baffled by people finding her hot as i was towards people finding palin hot. guess neither are my type. i am in to fitness chicks and surfer girls
 04/19/2019 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruckYou're equivocating lawless mobster government with a progressive left platform promoting immediate large scale efforts to mitigate climate change, establish a national healthcare system, and protect workers from exploitation. .
Dude, take off the horse blinders, and separate the people from the principal of that quote. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but my interpretation of His point was that everyone thinks its "one or the other"..... this black/white BS is why politics is just becoming a dog chasing its tail... and a pendulum radically swinging one side to the other..... The truth as in most things lies in the middle.

Edited: 04/19/2019 at 06:04 AM by Plan B
 04/19/2019 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by: wtf
Originally posted by: tpapablo
Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Originally posted by: RiddleMe
Originally posted by: RustyTruck Silly to suggest that AOC is "polarizing and nutzo". That's pretty ugly against a youthful Democratic Congresswoman who seems to be the only one who is proposing anything at all to improve the material situation of working people. Was I mistaken in thinking you were a Democrat?
comment had nothing to do with age, gender, or ethnicity. many democrats dont support her. many democrats arent progressives. hardly unique to me, not sure why that is so shocking
It's the future of your party. You can't win without them. The kids are critical of capitalism (and rightly so) and pissed that no one is taking environmental disaster seriously. You can't win on being "not trump". Either they build a coalition with the left wing or keep losing.
When I was a teenager, many of my fellow baby boomers were critical of capitalism. We are now, according to Greensleeves, all old, white, male conservatives. In other words, most of the current youth will be disabused of such nonsense with the accumulation of experience and wisdom. Most youth don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.
Wisdom? More like indoctrination. People like you are a bunch of greedy fools who have been played. Money is your master.
They are moving to the suburbs and buying single family houses too. You might have them for one more election cycle, then they'll start trending Republican.I have proof that money isn't my master - I got married again. God is my master.

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 04/19/2019 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo
God is my master.


That's rich! LMFAO...


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 04/19/2019 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by: wtf
Originally posted by: tpapablo God is my master.
That's rich! LMFAO...
You are a liar. Progs are the most humorless bunch I have ever encountered. I thought the Russians that I worked with on the Trump campaign were bad, but you guys make them look like court jesters. Doubt you have laughed in this century. Damn sure haven't laughed since Trump's election.

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 04/19/2019 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: wtf

Originally posted by: tpapablo

God is my master.




That's rich! LMFAO...


You are a liar. Progs are the most humorless bunch I have ever encountered. I thought the Russians that I worked with on the Trump campaign were bad, but you guys make them look like court jesters. Doubt you have laughed in this century. Damn sure haven't laughed since Trump's election.


Oh no, he's right, that is hilarious!

God? You? lol



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 04/19/2019 08:15 AM
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tspank hung out with the weirdos obviously. I went to business school and capitalism in it's pure form is taken for granted and generally beloved. It works! But it needs controls and laws because:

1. People are involved and some of them (see tspank) pretty much suck since they advocate lying, cheating, and greed.
2. Unbridled capitalism has no moral component and we are a good and just nation
 04/19/2019 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: RustyTruck
The Dem party of today would never have created Medicare and Social Security in the first place. "Too radical", "Never happen".


you mean the same democratic party responsible for the affordable care act? proposing gun law reform? wanting to save the environment? fix infrastructure? you act like aoc is the only answer and no other dem wants to accomplish things for the good of the people. that is simply wrong and foolish. curious as to why you feel the need to alienate liberals, insult us, and present us forward as the enemy all the while acting super sensitive over someone polarizing like aoc? more than a tad hypocritical of you. you know what is actually destroying this country? division


Affordable care act? Gun law reform? "Wanting" to save the environment?

Half measures and rhetoric with no action.
I never said AOC "is the only answer", I'm saying it doesn't make sense to equivocate her progressive agenda with trumpist neo-fascism. I don't see how you can get to that.

AOC is one of the few voices for a mass mobilization to address an existential threat. This game of patty cake between neo-libs and the GOP isn't getting us anywhere. Neither party is proposing ANYTHING significant. It's all about maintaining the status quo.

The Dem establishment is beholden to the same corporate interests as the R's, and the grassroots youth movement is pro-socialist. What remains of the party is split, and punching left is a huge mistake.



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 04/19/2019 08:27 AM
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"This game of patty cake between neo-libs and the GOP isn't getting us anywhere." Not with respect to fixing the deficit. I'd still rather have the neo-libs in power and that has to be part of the equation to get back there.
 04/19/2019 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Greensleeves

"This game of patty cake between neo-libs and the GOP isn't getting us anywhere." Not with respect to fixing the deficit. I'd still rather have the neo-libs in power and that has to be part of the equation to get back there.


Careful what you wish for. The GOP has a plan, and that's going to be slashing spending on programs which benefit the poor and working class. The left plan is to re-institute historical tax rates whereby the rich paid their fair share and stop corporate welfare for the military-industrial complex.

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 04/19/2019 08:41 AM
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punching left is a mistake, begs the question as to why you continue to do so with a madman like trump in office. yeah not a far left anarchist or socialist, or very left progressive, but still way left of cons. i dont have to like aoc or her divisive approach and i certainly wont ever buy into your brand of lunacy, it doesnt work in the real world. realistic, practical, logical, and doable is what we need to bring the country back together and push forward. cannot do it divided period. sorry to be forced to take this attitude with you, but you been veering into the uncivil with your discourse
 04/19/2019 08:43 AM
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Rolling back tax cuts on the wealthy is a winner. Bernie did great on Faux!

By neo-libs I meant those on the left, wanting them in power so my mistake. Realize the GOP elite are neo-libs.
 04/19/2019 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

punching left is a mistake, begs the question as to why you continue to do so with a madman like trump in office. yeah not a far left anarchist or socialist, or very left progressive, but still way left of cons. i dont have to like aoc or her divisive approach and i certainly wont ever buy into your brand of lunacy, it doesnt work in the real world. realistic, practical, logical, and doable is what we need to bring the country back together and push forward. cannot do it divided period. sorry to be forced to take this attitude with you, but you been veering into the uncivil with your discourse


Well, as they say, never underestimate the ability of the Democratic Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. You didn't learn anything in 2016. Lunacy is repeating the same strategy and hoping for a different outcome.

The original New Deal DID work in the "real world" and led to greatest expansion of the middle class in history. Now with the middle class shrinking, healthcare costs out of reach, and 10 years left to reduce carbon emissions 50% before rising temps are catastrophic, you're saying "whoah, let's not do anything rash, just be practical and realistic". The house is on fire and you want to rearrange the furniture.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Edited: 04/19/2019 at 09:48 AM by RustyTruck
 04/19/2019 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: wtf

Originally posted by: tpapablo

God is my master.




That's rich! LMFAO...


You are a liar. Progs are the most humorless bunch I have ever encountered. I thought the Russians that I worked with on the Trump campaign were bad, but you guys make them look like court jesters. Doubt you have laughed in this century. Damn sure haven't laughed since Trump's election.

I never bought into the russia collusion thing. try to keep up. i am not a lemming like you...


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