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RustyTruck

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"The Boomer generation needed just 306 hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college.

Millennials need 4,459.

The economy today is rigged against working people and young people. That is what we are going to change."



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Really---Fuzzy Math! What was the min. wage in '71?

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The summer of 1972 I was working 3rd shift at Piper Aircraft in Vero. I was doing so good that the real-life-big-time-Plant-Manager came in and gave me a raise to $2.56 an hour! I was eating lunch at the Sea Room every day.

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min wage was 1.60 after feb 1971. average cost of 4 years of college was just $409.60? not according to real numbers. avg public school was $1,410. average private 2930. real math, should be 881 hours for public and 1831 for private. not sure why bernie would exaggerate numbers, but his math is off reality
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woulda taken me 9708 hours at min wage to pay mine. glad i got a useful degree instead of a useless one like art history or fashion design
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RustyTruck

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Here ya go fellas:

Hours of minimum wage work needed to pay for four years of public college
BOOMER: 306
MILLENNIAL: 4,459
(Source: National Center for Education Statistics. Calculations based on tuition for four-year public universities from 1973-1976 and 2003-2006.)

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck "The Boomer generation needed just 306 hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college. Millennials need 4,459. The economy today is rigged against working people and young people. That is what we are going to change."
No, the higher education system is rigged against working and young people. Higher education costs have gone up more than medical costs. Dems don't scream about that because it is a dem-controlled institution. Now as far as Bernie is concerned, he is a typical prog liar. The minimum wage was around $2.50 when I was in college. No way I could have paid for 4 years of college with $750 dollars. That wouldn't even get me through 1 quarter. for the reasons stated, I have no doubt that a person would have to work more hours now, but 306 hours back in 1975-79 wouldn't have gotten you close. I worked more than that in the average summer.

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In 1971 the tuition, fees, room, and board per year for a public 4-year college was $8,734 (procon.org)

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Originally posted by: crankit In 1971 the tuition, fees, room, and board per year for a public 4-year college was $8,734 (procon.org)
look again. got my numbers from the same location. you are using the adjusted for inflation amount instead of actual cost at the time. source
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You are right!

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Here ya go fellas: Hours of minimum wage work needed to pay for four years of public college BOOMER: 306 MILLENNIAL: 4,459 (Source: National Center for Education Statistics. Calculations based on tuition for four-year public universities from 1973-1976 and 2003-2006.)
Originally posted by: RiddleMe min wage was 1.60 after feb 1971. average cost of 4 years of college was just $409.60? not according to real numbers. avg public school was $1,410. average private 2930. real math, should be 881 hours for public and 1831 for private. not sure why bernie would exaggerate numbers, but his math is off reality
there you go, real cost in real dollars 1971 before any adjustment for inflation or using present day dollars. source for minimum wage here note i am not disagreeing with your premise, just the data. note my post about how many hours it would have taken me had i a useless degree and worked minimum wage to pay it off

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: RustyTruck

"The Boomer generation needed just 306 hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college.



Millennials need 4,459.



The economy today is rigged against working people and young people. That is what we are going to change."




No, the higher education system is rigged against working and young people. Higher education costs have gone up more than medical costs. Dems don't scream about that because it is a dem-controlled institution.

Now as far as Bernie is concerned, he is a typical prog liar. The minimum wage was around $2.50 when I was in college. No way I could have paid for 4 years of college with $750 dollars. That wouldn't even get me through 1 quarter. for the reasons stated, I have no doubt that a person would have to work more hours now, but 306 hours back in 1975-79 wouldn't have gotten you close. I worked more than that in the average summer.


The numbers didn't come from Bernie, so ease off the "liar" accusations there FK. Take it up with the National Center for Education Statistics.

College education is "a Dem controlled institution"?

False, and irrelevant. Dems want to stop Bernie as much the pugs.





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Originally posted by: RustyTruck College education is "a Dem controlled institution"? False, and irrelevant.
he isnt entirely wrong. colleges, universities, professors have been mostly liberal for a long time. what has changed more recently is not allowing for opposing viewpoints and debate. sadly this is a disservice because it create close minded adults incapable of free thought
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Giving a platform to fascists is not doing a service to free thought.

I suppose you're one of the "fascists vs. anti-fascist" equivalency guys?


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So if someone has a different viewpoint they are fascists?

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 04/24/2019 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Giving a platform to fascists is not doing a service to free thought. I suppose you're one of the "fascists vs. anti-fascist" equivalency guys?
why do you think my comment had to do with fascism? since you brought up fascism, surely you realize restriction of free speech is a cornerstone of it?
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Originally posted by: crankit So if someone has a different viewpoint they are fascists?
this is why i rail against my side as much as i do yours. by and large, we have become just as hateful, oppressive, and hypocritical as your side
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Originally posted by: tpapablo
Originally posted by: RustyTruck "The Boomer generation needed just 306 hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college. Millennials need 4,459. The economy today is rigged against working people and young people. That is what we are going to change."
No, the higher education system is rigged against working and young people. Higher education costs have gone up more than medical costs. Dems don't scream about that because it is a dem-controlled institution. Now as far as Bernie is concerned, he is a typical prog liar. The minimum wage was around $2.50 when I was in college. No way I could have paid for 4 years of college with $750 dollars. That wouldn't even get me through 1 quarter. for the reasons stated, I have no doubt that a person would have to work more hours now, but 306 hours back in 1975-79 wouldn't have gotten you close. I worked more than that in the average summer.
The numbers didn't come from Bernie, so ease off the "liar" accusations there FK. Take it up with the National Center for Education Statistics. College education is "a Dem controlled institution"? False, and irrelevant. Dems want to stop Bernie as much the pugs.
Let's see, the thread's title reads "Bernie says." The SOB is lying. If he is going to use numbers provided by others to make his socialist points, he should check them. I took one look at those numbers and knew they were wrong. Took me all of 2 minutes to find the evidence.

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Bernie, while amusing, who actually has some great ideas that will help my America transition into our post chumpfscum future, is : unelectable.
Our focus, as patriotic Americans (as opposed to clueless, ignorant chumpf bot sheep traitors) must be focused. Comrade loofah represents the sikkest warping of the intentions of the writers of our amazing constitution.
Written by: The smartest guys in the history of humanity.
He, and his dumfuk treasonous, profoundly stupid sycophants:
must be stopped, and eliminated.......
Don't be distracted by their pigaganda. Focus on anyone who is electable and will defeat the orange siberian candidate nightmare...........

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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: crankit

So if someone has a different viewpoint they are fascists?


this is why i rail against my side as much as i do yours. by and large, we have become just as hateful, oppressive, and hypocritical as your side


It must get uncomfortable sitting on that fence.

Perhaps you're unaware of the alt-right/neofash campaign to wrap their hate speech up as "free speech" and centrist libs wax philosophical about "listening to both sides".

Preach all you want about free markets and love for capitalism, that's fine, but when the Richard Spencers and other nazis want a platform on a campus, you can expect Antifa.

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