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 05/16/2019 06:57 AM
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3rdworldlover

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Hi, just restating the facts for those that fell for the Trump/Putin propaganda:

There are fewer undocumented immigrants living in the USA than 10 years ago.

The rate of immigration from the southern border is lower than the average rate for the last century.

Undocumented immigrants don't increase violent crime rates, in fact, their presence has the opposite effect.

Undocumented Immigrants, primarily extremely impoverished people from Central America, come here to work and pay taxes without collecting benefits. They are floating social security with billions paid in annually.

There is no immigration crisis.
 05/16/2019 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover


There are fewer undocumented immigrants living in the USA than 10 years ago.



Liar!

There has been no census of undocumented ILLEGAL immigrants!

Fool!

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 05/16/2019 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

The rate of immigration from the southern border is lower than the average rate for the last century.


Again...LIAR!

The flow over the border is at an all time CRISIS high....

FACT!

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If there's no respect for the law at the top, I don't see any reason why refugees should be bothered with it.

If I were intent on coming to the USA, I'd get here any way I could. If I have the opportunity to help someone in that situation, I surely will.

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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

Undocumented immigrants don't increase violent crime rates


LIAR!

They arent supposed to be here...

THEY ARE ILLEGAL!

They murder 25 American Citizens per day currently!

FOOL!

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 05/16/2019 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

Undocumented Immigrantscome here to work and pay taxes without collecting benefits.


LIAR!

http://thefederalistpapers.org...egal-immigration-state

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Fake site. Try again.
 05/16/2019 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

Fake site. Try again.


No...you're a fake human!

The site is just fine!

MORON!


NEW MAP: The Cost of Illegal Immigration, By State
By Brian Thomas
Published December 1, 2017 at 5:35pm

A new map posted by HowMuch.net breaks down the economic toll of illegal immigrants state by state, and their findings are extremely troubling.

Using information gathered from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, How Much's map shows how much money illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers on a state-by-state basis.

California is most devastated by the heavy toll, with a whopping $23 billion in that state alone.

States closer to the Mexican border are most affected, but several states throughout the country still pay billions to support illegal immigrants through education, welfare, law enforcement, and medical care.

Here's the breakdown, provided by HowMuch.net:

The map doesn't include federal costs.
According to the Washington Examiner, when federal costs are included, illegal immigrants cost $135 billion a year.

Liberals like to justify their opposition to the deportation of illegal immigrants due to their estimations of initial costs for actually enforcing our federal immigration laws.

But considering that current data suggests over a trillion dollars spent supporting illegal immigrants a decade, leftist arguments that deportation is too expensive crumble rather quickly.

Furthermore, Democrats like to point out that illegal immigrants pay some taxes, such as sales tax. According to the social security administration, about 3.4 million illegal immigrants (out of 11.1 million people illegally residing in the U.S.) pay social security taxes.

However, the How Much map takes into account taxes paid by illegal immigrants. So the costs represented on the map fall entirely to legal U.S. residents' taxes.

The Washington Examiner continues:
The costs cover added expenditures for education, welfare, law enforcement, and medical care.
When federal costs are included, the price tag nationally soars to $135 billion a year.

FAIR's data also includes the offset of taxes paid by illegal immigrants, though the numbers are much lower. In the state and local column, they are $3.5 billion. Nationally they are $15 billion.
Overall, costs associated with illegal immigrants is much higher for state and local governments than the federal government. States pay $89 billion, Uncle Sam $46 billion.

Below are the ten states most heavily weighed by the cost of illegal immigration:

1. California - $23,038,125,353
2. Texas - $10,994,614,550
3. New York - $7,489,141,357
4. Florida - $6,290,429,108
5. New Jersey - $4,466,838,574
6. Illinois - $3,220,767,517
7. Georgia - $2,487,719,503
8. North Carolina - $2,437,965,113
9. Maryland - $2,378,996,947
10. Arizona - $2,314,131,964

HowMuch.net also explains why some states are more heavily affected than others, citing proximity to the border and overall population:

First, states that spend the most on illegal immigration tend to be located close to Mexico. Looking at out map, the two states with the highest expenditures are California ($23B) and Texas ($11B), both sharing long borders with Mexico. In fact, there's a cluster of dark red states stretching along the Southwest. States closest to the phenomenon pay the most as a result.

Second, states with higher population levels tend to spend more than their less populated counterparts. You can see a group of high-expenditure states clustered around the Northeast, not to mention Illinois and Florida. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, California and Texas are also the two most populous states in the country. High population levels and proximity to Mexico act like a double-whammy for illegal immigration expenses.

Now take a look at the places with relatively low levels of expenditures for illegal immigration, the light blue states. They are all located far away from the U.S.-Mexico border with relatively small population levels. West Virginia is perhaps an exceptional state, seeing that it is surrounded by red and dark red. We can speculate that this is likely due to the fact that West Virginia has a struggling economy which actually contracted last year.

Are Democrats willing to continue this sort of spending for years to come?


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 05/16/2019 08:14 AM
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FAIR leaders have ties to white supremacist groups and eugenicists and have made many racist statements. Its advertisements have been rejected because of racist content. FAIR's founder, John Tanton, has expressed his wish that America remain a majority-white population: a goal to be achieved, presumably, by limiting the number of nonwhites who enter the country. One of the group's main goals is upending the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which ended a decades-long, racist quota system that limited immigration mostly to northern Europeans. FAIR President Dan Stein has called the Act a "mistake."

In its own words

"As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion?"
- FAIR founder and board member John Tanton, Oct. 10, 1986

"I've come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that."
- John Tanton, letter to eugenicist and ecology professor Garrett Hardin (now deceased), Dec. 10, 1993

"I blame ninety-eight percent of responsibility for this country's immigration crisis on Ted Kennedy and his political allies, who decided some time back in 1958, earlier perhaps, that immigration was a great way to retaliate against Anglo-Saxon dominance and hubris, and the immigration laws from the 1920s were just this symbol of that, and it's a form of revengism, or revenge, that these forces continue to push the immigration policy that they know full well are [sic] creating chaos and will continue to create chaos down the line."
- FAIR President Dan Stein, "Oral History of the Federation for American Immigration Reform," interview of Dan Stein by John Tanton, August 1994.

"Do we leave it to individuals to decide that they are the intelligent ones who should have more kids? And more troublesome, what about the less intelligent, who logically should have less? Who is going to break the bad news [to less intelligent individuals], and how will it be implemented?"
- John Tanton, letter to eugenicist Robert K. Graham (now deceased), Sept. 18, 1996.

"Immigrants don't come all church-loving, freedom-loving, God-fearing ... Many of them hate America, hate everything that the United States stands for. Talk to some of these Central Americans."
- FAIR President Dan Stein, interviewed by Tucker Carlson, Oct. 2, 1997.
 05/16/2019 08:23 AM
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3rdworldlover

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Not a coincidence that President Trump is set to unveil a new immigration plan today that would drastically change the legal immigration system to favor wealthy and primarily European immigrants, and make it even more impossible for our impoverished Latin American neighbors to immigrate legally. It also completely ignores the millions of children living here undocumented.

http://www.npr.org/2019/05/16/...s&utm_content=20190516
 05/16/2019 10:57 AM
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FAIR is a hate group. Nothing they say has any credibility and their studies have been debunked by Cato, The Heartland Center, and Pew.

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 05/17/2019 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by: wtf

FAIR is a hate group. Nothing they say has any credibility and their studies have been debunked by Cato, The Heartland Center, and Pew.


Well lets see....here is another one stating the federal cost back in 2013 was 54.5 Billion!

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
May 6, 2013 Over an hour read Download Report
Authors:
Jason Richwine, Ph.D. and Robert Rector
Summary
This paper provides a fiscal distribution analysis of households headed by unlawful immigrants: individuals who reside in the U.S. in violation of federal law. The paper measures the total government benefits and services received by unlawful immigrant households and the total taxes paid. The difference between benefits received and taxes paid represents the total resources transferred by government on behalf of unlawful immigrants from the rest of society.
Key Takeaways
There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.
Amnesty for unlawful immigrants can pose large fiscal costs for U.S. taxpayers including public education, welfare benefits, and other benefits and services.
Policymakers must ensure that the interaction of welfare and other financial transfer programs with immigration does not expand the fiscally dependent population.

http://www.heritage.org/immigr...mnesty-the-us-taxpayer

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 05/17/2019 07:02 AM
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The Cost Of Illegal Immigration

by Tyler Durden
Tue, 02/06/2018 - 20:10

Authored by Ruthie Blum via The Gatestone Institute,
In his State of the Union address on January 30, US President Donald J. Trump referred to the brutal murder of two 16-year-old girls from Long Island in December 2016 by members of the "savage MS-13 gang," responsible for a spate of other gruesome killings in the area, as well.
Many of these gang members, he explained, had entered the United States illegally. "For decades, open borders have allowed drugs and gangs to pour into our most vulnerable communities," he said.
Calling on Congress "to finally close the deadly loopholes that have allowed... criminal gangs to break into our country," he listed the four pillars of his immigration-reform proposal:

A path to citizenship for 1.8 million illegal immigrants who were brought to America by their parents.
The construction of a "great wall on the southern border" and enforcement by agents patrolling and securing the border.
Ending the visa lottery, "a program that randomly plans out green cards without regard for skill, merit, for the safety of American people."
Ending the "current, broken system" of chain migration of distant relatives, and limiting sponsorships to spouses and minor children.
Although he did not specify this in his speech, Trump reportedly is seeking $25 billion from Congress to fund the wall. Opponents of the wall have been arguing that illegal immigrants do not commit crimes at a higher rate than legal immigrants or native-born Americans; that illegal immigration has been a boon to the economy, rather than a drain on it; and that the cost both of deportation and a wall far exceeds the benefits of both. These claims are repeatedly voiced by the Trump administration's detractors, as part of their campaign to accuse the president of racism; but what are the facts?
To set the record straight, let us take a look at a number of those that have been obscured or ignored by the media.
As far as the cost of the wall is concerned, a study released in September 2017 by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) reveals that, "At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens." This, the report says, is a nearly $3 billion increase in the cost since 2013. It is also rather more than the single payment of $25 billion that it will cost to build a wall - five and a half times more, and every year.


Pictured: The US-Mexico border fence near San Diego, California. (Image source: US Customs and Border Protection)

The same goes for the cost of deporting illegal immigrants. According to Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies,
"...The average cost of a deportation is much smaller than the net fiscal drain created by the average illegal immigrant," in part due to the fact that "illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have modest levels of education - most have not completed high school or have only a high school education...creating more in costs for government than they pay in taxes."
The question of the rates of criminality among illegal aliens vs. those of legal immigrants and American-born citizens has been examined by John R. Lott, Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, using Arizona's prison population as a microcosm for study. According to Lott, the ability to measure the crime-rate among illegal immigrants in the U.S. has been difficult, due to many factors, including the lack of a national data base and "primitive" methodology - such as "simple, cross-sectional analysis to see whether areas with higher immigrant populations have higher crime rates," and "a purely time series approach... look at the United States as a whole and note that crime has decreased since 1990 as immigration has increased." The advantage of the Arizona Department of Corrections study, Lott says, is that
"over our 32.5-year period, we know each prisoner who entered the prison system, their criminal convictions history, and whether he is a documented or undocumented immigrant. The only mystery is why this type of data has not been utilized until now."
Peter Kirsanow wryly solved the mystery in National Review, writing:
"Unfortunately, almost every public official not named Jeff Sessions guards against disclosure of illegal-immigrant crime data more tenaciously than disclosure of nuclear launch codes."
According to Lott, whose research spans 1985-2017:
"Arizona's prison population data allow us to compare undocumented immigrants' share of the prison population with their estimated share of the state population...For the first time, we break down the data to examine differences between US citizens, undocumented immigrants, and legal permanent residents. One advantage of using convictions rather than just reported crimes is that convictions depend on a 'beyond a reasonable doubt' standard of evidence and thus are much less likely to count innocent people."
The findings are unequivocal, as the following summary illustrates:
"Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans. They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10.5% longer sentences, more likely to be classified as dangerous, and 45% more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens...There are dramatic differences between in the criminal histories of convicts who are U.S. citizens and undocumented immigrants...
"[Y]oung undocumented immigrants commit crime at twice the rate of young U.S. citizens. These undocumented immigrants also tend to commit more serious crimes. If undocumented immigrants committed crime nationally as they do in Arizona, in 2016 they would have been responsible for over 1,000 more murders, 5,200 rapes, 8,900 robberies, 25,300 aggravated assaults, and 26,900 burglaries."
These numbers do not even include the cost to American taxpayers of the toll taken on America's children by illegally imported drugs. Although available information on this is at best spotty, the key finding from the DEA's 2017 National Drug Threat Assessment is that the "most commonly reported greatest drug threat was heroin, at 44.1 percent of law enforcement responses... This was followed by 29.8 percent of respondents indicating methamphetamine was their greatest drug threat, 9.3 percent reporting controlled prescription drugs..."
This tells us something about the extent of the problem, but not enough. The 2010 drug-threat assessment, released a year after the previous administration took office, revealed that,
"From January through November 2009, U.S. seizures of illegal drugs in transit exceeded 1,626 metric tons, indicating that DTOs succeed in moving several thousand tons of cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana, heroin, and MDMA into the United States annually. There are unique smuggling and transportation methods..."
In 2015, included in the DEA's drug-threat assessment was the fact that drug overdoses killed more people in the United States than car accidents or guns. As was noted by the BBC at the time, "Many of these drugs are smuggled in large volumes by drug cartels..."
The late Democrat Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." His successors in Congress would do well to remember this while debating the issue of illegal immigration. They certainly need to keep it in mind when voting on the administration's proposed plan.

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 05/17/2019 09:35 AM
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LOL, to rebut the bias of the fear mongers at FAIR, fishy plagiarizes another deplorable who quotes FAIR and throws together a mess of cherry picked data.


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FK, you re-enforce the points in the opening article every time you steal somebody else words.
Because you don't bother to understand the issues, you are bad at it, you steal and post shit that doesn't convince anybody but you.

Meanwhile, real journalism, facts is too much for tpapa to handle also.
Damn I long for the days when facts mattered to Republicans too.

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 05/17/2019 09:46 AM
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exactly.
we understand what ILLEGAL means.
That's why we know it's the problem.

We want to fix it, we want a path to LEGAL citizenship for those that want it, and will work for it.

Trump want's to use it to enrage people like you.



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 05/17/2019 12:19 PM
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trump's not scared of illegals, he employs them

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 05/22/2019 10:07 AM
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By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Tuesday, May 21, 2019
Two teens arrested last week on charges stemming from a horrific killing in Maryland were supposed to be deported last year, but local authorities didn't turn them over to ICE, the immigration agency said Tuesday.
Prosecutors say the teens, Josue Rafael Fuentes-Ponce, 16, and Joel Ernesto Escobar, 17 - suspected of being MS-13 gang members - feared they would be ratted out for an April robbery, so they and an accomplice snuffed out a 14-year-old suspected snitch. They made her strip before beating her with a baseball bat and chopping her with a machete. The girl's body was found in a creek this month.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, in a pointed statement Tuesday, said the crime could have been averted but for Prince George's County's sanctuary city policy.
Mr. Fuentes-Ponce and Mr. Escobar were in county custody last year on attempted murder charges for another crime. ICE placed a detainer on them, asking to be notified when they would be released so agents could deport them.
ICE said the Prince George's County Department of Corrections defied the request.

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