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Fish Killer

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Why I do not celebrate gay pride
By Dr. Michael Brown
Monday, June 10, 2019

If you ask my detractors, they would tell you that the reason I do not celebrate gay pride is that I'm a bigot. A hater. A homophobe. A transphobe.

And I understand their perspective.

After all, no matter how Christian I claim to be, if I tell a gay couple I do not believe they are truly married in God's sight, that feels like hatred to them.

If I tell a woman who identifies as a man that I still believe she is a woman, that feels like hatred to her.

From their perspective, I can understand how unchristian my position seems, how bigoted, how biased, how primitive.

After all, they would be quick to point out, there are gay parents who are more devoted to their kids than some straight parents.
There are transgender men and women who are kind, gentle, caring souls.

There are people all across the LGBT spectrum who help the poor, who care for the oppressed, who love the loveless, who are outstanding bosses or employees or friends or neighbors.
Why shouldn't all of us celebrate gay (or, LGBT) pride?

For me, there are three major reasons, and none of them have anything to do with hatred or fear.

First, I do not accept the categories of LGBT as fixed and definite categories, worthy of special recognition.

Put another way, why should there be a special month to celebrate people based on their sexual desires and romantic attractions? Or based on their gender identity perceptions?

The very fact that we've gone from G (as in gay) to LG, to LGB, to LGBT, to LGBTQ, to LGBTQI to LGBTQIP (and beyond) indicates that these are hardly fixed categories.

Or, to zero in on the letter B, why should I celebrate someone who is attracted to both males and females? Why should I put them in a special category (like Hispanic or Asian or Black)?

If the person happens to a courageous firefighter, I'll celebrate them for that. If the person happens to be a cancer survivor with an amazing story, I'll celebrate them for that.

They are fellow human beings, and if they deserve honor or commendation, I'll gladly give that to them. But I won't celebrate their bisexuality. Why should I?

And that leads to my second point.
If I'm convinced that homosexual practice is contrary to God's design, why should I celebrate it?

If I personally know people whose same-sex attractions were the result of childhood sexual abuse and rape, why should I celebrate those attractions?

If I'm convinced that, ideally, a child should have a mommy and a daddy (rather than two mommies or two daddies), why should I celebrate a family setting that willfully deprives that child of either their mother or father?

Do we celebrate single parent pride? No, we say to those single parents, "It must be hard to raise your child on your own, but we're standing with you to help."

There's quite a difference.

And why should I celebrate transgender identity? What is there to celebrate?

Why should I celebrate putting a child on hormone blockers? Why should I celebrate a 17-year-old girl having her breasts removed? Why should I celebrate a lifelong regimen of hormones? Why should I celebrate something that causes so many people so much pain, even after "transitioning?"

If you asked me to stand with those who identify as transgender and offer them support and compassion and hope, I would say, "Count me in."

If you asked me to stand against their harassment and mistreatment, again I would say, "Count me in."
But if you ask me to celebrate their transgender identity (and all the challenges that come with it), I would have to politely decline.
Third, and finally, I do not celebrate LGBT pride because there is an agenda attached to it.

In other words, this is not just a matter of me appreciating LGBT people as people, or recognizing their accomplishments for the sake of their accomplishments.
Instead, to celebrate LGBT pride is to recognize and embrace a larger cultural agenda.

As I explained in 2011, "the legitimizing of homosexuality as a perfectly normal alternative to heterosexuality also requires that all opposition to homosexual behavior must be delegitimized. At the very least, the gay agenda requires these three platforms (and let recognized gay leaders renounce this if it is not so).

"Whereas homosexuality was once considered a pathological disorder, from here on those who do not affirm homosexuality will be deemed homophobic, perhaps themselves suffering from a pathological disorder.

"Whereas gay sexual behavior was once considered morally wrong, from here on public condemnation - or even public criticism - of that behavior will be considered morally wrong.
"Whereas identifying as transgender was once considered abnormal by society, causing one to be marginalized, from here on those who do not accept transgenderism will be considered abnormal and will be marginalized."

And remember, I wrote this in 2011. (In fact, I wrote this several years earlier, but these comments were not published until 2011.)
Again, from the LGBT viewpoint, LGBT pride is all about coming out of the closet. It's about saying, "We're just as good and as gifted and as normal as anyone else, and rather than being ashamed of our LGBT identity, we are proud of it. The days of being mistreated are over. That's what LGBT pride is all about!"

Again, I understand these sentiments, and if it was a matter of caring for people as people, I'd march side by side with them.
But it's not just that. It's about creating new categories and foisting them on the society. It's about celebrating something that should not be celebrated. It's about a larger agenda.

For those reasons, I do not celebrate gay pride, even though it makes be a hateful bigot in the eyes of many LGBT people and their allies.

That saddens me, but that doesn't change my convictions.
June remains just another month on my calendar. It is not marked off for LGBT pride.

Dr. Michael Brown (www.askdrbrown.org) is the host of the nationally syndicated Line of Fire radio program. His latest book is Donald Trump Is Not My Savior: An Evangelical Leader Speaks His Mind About the Man He Supports As President. Connect with him on

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Greensleeves

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Guppy guzzler's hero wrote about the subject "several years earlier" than 2011 and is still writing about it. Boy has a fascination with the the LGBTQ community! That's pretty much celebrating it.
 06/17/2019 01:29 PM
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I don't celebrate for pretty much the same reason I don't celebrate Christmas, Easter, or my birthday. Because I don't need a special day or week to celebrate. Everyday is a celebration of this epic thing called life!

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 06/17/2019 03:20 PM
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Say "here here" if you actually read Fish Killer's essay on why he doesn't celebrate gay pride.
 06/17/2019 03:55 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: damonsharp

Say "here here" if you actually read Fish Killer's essay on why he doesn't celebrate gay pride.


Dr. Michael Brown (www.askdrbrown.org) is the host of the nationally syndicated Line of Fire radio program. His latest book is Donald Trump Is Not My Savior: An Evangelical Leader Speaks His Mind About the Man He Supports As President.

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 06/17/2019 04:27 PM
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Swishy Fish sez:
"Why I do not celebrate gay pride".....
well, golly gee, that's an easy one. Cuz he's not proud of being gay.....duh!
The whole mucho macho posturing thang could not be more queer....
Quoting MILO! as a source of "conservative" pro chump fascism was a dead giveaway Eel Enema boy.
Unlock that closet now, untie those boys trapped there.
Let your rainbow freak flag fly little fella......

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Originally posted by: nukeh2o

Swishy Fish sez:

"Why I do not celebrate gay pride".....

well, golly gee, that's an easy one. Cuz he's not proud of being gay.....duh!

The whole mucho macho posturing thang could not be more queer....

Quoting MILO! as a source of "conservative" pro chump fascism was a dead giveaway Eel Enema boy.

Unlock that closet now, untie those boys trapped there.

Let your rainbow freak flag fly little fella......


Yo...shitforbrains....

I'm married...to a woman.

You should get divorced from that crack pipe though.

Fool!


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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Oh: married.....never, ever been a gay man married to a woman, right Red Fish?
has she found the rainbow pink tutu you hide in the shed yet?
Come on fella: play those bette midler and barry manilow cd's you've been hiding, out loud and proud!
Hit the karaoke club, belt out "I will survive!". It'll be great.....

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Edited: 06/17/2019 at 04:55 PM by nukeh2o
 06/17/2019 07:24 PM
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Why I do not celebrate gay pride

No one gives two fucks about what you do or say.

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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Why I do not celebrate gay pride



No one gives two fucks about what you do or say.


Shitforbrains:

Dr. Michael Brown (www.askdrbrown.org) is the host of the nationally syndicated Line of Fire radio program. His latest book is Donald Trump Is Not My Savior: An Evangelical Leader Speaks His Mind About the Man He Supports As President. Connect with him on

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 06/18/2019 04:40 AM
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Another Evangelical asshole, like I said, who cares.

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 06/18/2019 05:36 AM
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I'm just not impressed that Fish Killer is a gay dude who doesn't go to those gay pride marches and stuff. So what?


I know several lesbians who aren't into all that rainbow flag rah rah stuff either. In fact, I'd wager most gays go about their business quietly.


Actually Fish Killer is kind of hypocritical. Here he is saying he doesn't flaunt his gayness yet he posts a huge essay all about it. Basically he's saying, "Hey I'm queer, but I don't talk about it. Say, In queer! But it's no big deal. Hey- gimme attention I'm queer!"
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Back in 2004 there was a guy preaching in the grocery store parking lot and handing out pamphlets. He said that the hurricanes were god visiting destruction upon the homosexual iniquity of Disney. Disney made money off those hurricanes. The resorts were booked slap full of evacuees and charging the max room rates that the anti-gouging laws would allow during a time of year when they often aren't at capacity. Further back than that, Pat Robertson said hurricane Floyd was divine punishment coming to Florida because of Disney's gay tolerance. Floyd turned and hit North Carolina and caused historic flooding in the Tar River in NC and Blackwater River in southern Virginia.

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Florida has a dark history when it comes to LGBTQ rights. For the younger people here's the story of the harpy Anita Bryant Anita Bryant She was a hateful piece of work.

damonsharp that was funny stuff!

Edited: 06/18/2019 at 07:37 AM by Greensleeves
 06/18/2019 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by: damonsharp

I'm just not impressed that Fish Killer is a gay dude who doesn't go to those gay pride marches and stuff. So what?





I know several lesbians who aren't into all that rainbow flag rah rah stuff either. In fact, I'd wager most gays go about their business quietly.





Actually Fish Killer is kind of hypocritical. Here he is saying he doesn't flaunt his gayness yet he posts a huge essay all about it. Basically he's saying, "Hey I'm queer, but I don't talk about it. Say, In queer! But it's no big deal. Hey- gimme attention I'm queer!"



This exact shit is why you are going to lose in 2020.

Fact!

Fool!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 06/18/2019 10:55 AM
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FK is a closet gay

LMFAO

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 06/18/2019 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by: wtf

FK is a closet gay



LMFAO


Yeah...im just as gay as you are.

FACT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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He that doth protest too much....

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He that doth protest too much....

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Fish Killer

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Black is white.

Wrong is right.

The sun rises in the west!

The demoshit way.

2020 is done before it ever started.

Fact!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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