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 06/20/2019 11:09 AM
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Zeus

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I've never liked the term liberal progressive as it doesn't portray the movement accurately at all. Democratic Socialist isn't exactly fitting either since there's nothing democratic about them. Totalitarian maybe but certainly not democratic. Bolshevik is almost a fitting term for a revolutionary group hell bent on inflicting the greatest harm possible on any and all opposition to their ideology. But that wouldn't be fair to the original Bolsheviks would it? Recalling history and how the Nazis used the socialist Red Front Fighters League to get a foot hold on political power in Germany, just before Himmler executed the Night of the Long Knives, it occurs to me that Nazi is the most fitting term for the ultra far left in this country today. Seems fair as well, since they use the term so frequently themselves, and have such a dislike for Christians and Jews.
 06/20/2019 11:25 AM
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can be liberal and not be progressive or socialist. cons do like to lump everyone together though. cant really complain though, we do it right back to cons it seems
 06/20/2019 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Zeus I've never liked the term liberal progressive as it doesn't portray the movement accurately at all. Democratic Socialist isn't exactly fitting either since there's nothing democratic about them. Totalitarian maybe but certainly not democratic. Bolshevik is almost a fitting term for a revolutionary group hell bent on inflicting the greatest harm possible on any and all opposition to their ideology. But that wouldn't be fair to the original Bolsheviks would it? Recalling history and how the Nazis used the socialist Red Front Fighters League to get a foot hold on political power in Germany, just before Himmler executed the Night of the Long Knives, it occurs to me that Nazi is the most fitting term for the ultra far left in this country today. Seems fair as well, since they use the term so frequently themselves, and have such a dislike for Christians and Jews.
Why do you think socialists can't be democratic?

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 06/20/2019 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by: all3
Originally posted by: Zeus I've never liked the term liberal progressive as it doesn't portray the movement accurately at all. Democratic Socialist isn't exactly fitting either since there's nothing democratic about them. Totalitarian maybe but certainly not democratic. Bolshevik is almost a fitting term for a revolutionary group hell bent on inflicting the greatest harm possible on any and all opposition to their ideology. But that wouldn't be fair to the original Bolsheviks would it? Recalling history and how the Nazis used the socialist Red Front Fighters League to get a foot hold on political power in Germany, just before Himmler executed the Night of the Long Knives, it occurs to me that Nazi is the most fitting term for the ultra far left in this country today. Seems fair as well, since they use the term so frequently themselves, and have such a dislike for Christians and Jews.
Why do you think socialists can't be democratic?
Not a strong history of that. I suppose it is possible. But they become dictatorships in real life.

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 06/20/2019 01:33 PM
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Ok guys, pay attention. Socialism is an economic policy. It involves public ownership of infrastructure. It can be democratic, it can be authoritarian. Both have advanced the situation of workers, but authoritarians suck.

Capitalism is incompatible with democracy, but for superficial overtures designed to convince you that if you're poor and have a shit job it's your fault and don't look your betters in the eyes.

The only thing that preserved capitalism in the U.S. past the 1930s was Roosevelt, the war, and the post war middle middle class. That's all gone. So... Socialism or barbarism. Prepare for either eventuality.

Liberalism has failed spectacularly. Devotion to it may yet deliver barbarism more surely than the open fascists.


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 06/20/2019 01:35 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Ok guys, pay attention. Socialism is an economic policy.


HELL NO IT ISN'T!

LIAR!

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 06/20/2019 02:03 PM
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FK is an imbecile, I doubt he has beyond a 6th grade education. Maybe he and Zoos could have a play date.

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 06/20/2019 04:32 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

FK is an imbecile, I doubt he has beyond a 6th grade education. Maybe he and Zoos could have a play date.


I doubt that YOU have more than a 3rd grade education!

MORON!!!!!!!

so·cial·ism
[?s?SH??liz?m]

NOUN
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms:
leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism · [more]
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms:
leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism · [more]
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

FK is an imbecile, I doubt he has beyond a 6th grade education. Maybe he and Zoos could have a play date.


Oh...and didnt you claim to have me on ignore?

LIAR!

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 06/20/2019 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Zeus

I've never liked the term liberal progressive as it doesn't portray the movement accurately at all. Democratic Socialist isn't exactly fitting either since there's nothing democratic about them. Totalitarian maybe but certainly not democratic. Bolshevik is almost a fitting term for a revolutionary group hell bent on inflicting the greatest harm possible on any and all opposition to their ideology. But that wouldn't be fair to the original Bolsheviks would it? Recalling history and how the Nazis used the socialist Red Front Fighters League to get a foot hold on political power in Germany, just before Himmler executed the Night of the Long Knives, it occurs to me that Nazi is the most fitting term for the ultra far left in this country today. Seems fair as well, since they use the term so frequently themselves, and have such a dislike for Christians and Jews.


Laughably stupid, and willfully, deliberately fat and ignorant:
is no way to go thru life dork.
Have you met a gulag tatooed former "bolshevist" Gilligan.
How's bout a tatooed Nazi death camp holocaust survivor? Then: shut. the fuck. up....
Short attention, and life span seem to go hand in hand in the era of fat macdonnie
Eat more big Macs and bacon.
Drink more jack n beam.
And wank to lush, tucker girlson, and comrade spammity every day.
Please
Keep chumpfscum magats lame.....and dyin....
duuhhh

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Edited: 06/20/2019 at 06:05 PM by nukeh2o
 06/20/2019 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Ok guys, pay attention. Socialism is an economic policy. It involves public ownership of infrastructure. It can be democratic, it can be authoritarian. Both have advanced the situation of workers, but authoritarians suck.



Capitalism is incompatible with democracy, but for superficial overtures designed to convince you that if you're poor and have a shit job it's your fault and don't look your betters in the eyes.



The only thing that preserved capitalism in the U.S. past the 1930s was Roosevelt, the war, and the post war middle middle class. That's all gone. So... Socialism or barbarism. Prepare for either eventuality.



Liberalism has failed spectacularly. Devotion to it may yet deliver barbarism more surely than the open fascists.


Need the overall full bib waders to slog thru the pigshit on this particular post on this forum today...
"Liberalism has failed spectacularly. Devotion to it may yet deliver barbarism more surely than the open fascists"
Laughably stupid. Marxist/ leninist nonsense has always: failed. Unless supported by a totalitarian, essentially fascist regime.
This is just as lame as chumpfdirtism


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 06/20/2019 06:42 PM
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WG

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I am baffled that any person can look at reality and come up with something as wacked out as that Zues.
Bu then again, it's so out of favor for Trumpists to look at reality.
Maybe you need to try it again.

Most of the civilized free market economy world has more socialist safety nets that we do.
Pretending they don't work is stupid, we all know that they do.
So you have to look for the communists, call them socialist. and run away from reality.

sad and stupid, some of the saddest and stupidest BS seen here yet
But the usual even sadder folks loved it of course.

The "dislike for christians and jews" lie is especially offensive coming from a party whose leader thinks Nazis are fine people.

The Nazis that tried to start shit at the Trump "make America Hate again" rally at Amway were wearing MAGA hats.



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Edited: 06/20/2019 at 06:47 PM by WG
 06/20/2019 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by: nukeh2o
Marxist/ leninist nonsense has always: failed. Unless supported by a totalitarian, essentially fascist regime.

This is just as lame as chumpfdirtism


Which case of "Marxist/ leninist nonsense" failed unless supported by a totalitarian facist regime?'
Seems to me that all of them start up as such, and thus fail.

Like Russia.
Like China, like NK.
Like venezueala and cuba

not like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, canada, UK,,,,,
strong socialist safety nets keep thier economies strong, people happy
We can catch up.
Capitalist economies without democratic traditions, (which lead to corrections of failures) don't keep up either. They often result in socialist dictators replacing capitalist ones

The states that choose some sort of socialist safety net democratically are doing great. (like our SS, medicaid, medicare, VA...) or the more expansive health care for all systems like most of Europe.
Socialism without the totalitarian leadership that the right seems to like so much works well when applied to stuff that the private sector fails at.

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 06/20/2019 10:27 PM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: nukeh2o

Originally posted by: RustyTruck



Ok guys, pay attention. Socialism is an economic policy. It involves public ownership of infrastructure. It can be democratic, it can be authoritarian. Both have advanced the situation of workers, but authoritarians suck.







Capitalism is incompatible with democracy, but for superficial overtures designed to convince you that if you're poor and have a shit job it's your fault and don't look your betters in the eyes.







The only thing that preserved capitalism in the U.S. past the 1930s was Roosevelt, the war, and the post war middle middle class. That's all gone. So... Socialism or barbarism. Prepare for either eventuality.







Liberalism has failed spectacularly. Devotion to it may yet deliver barbarism more surely than the open fascists.




Need the overall full bib waders to slog thru the pigshit on this particular post on this forum today...

"Liberalism has failed spectacularly. Devotion to it may yet deliver barbarism more surely than the open fascists"

Laughably stupid. Marxist/ leninist nonsense has always: failed. Unless supported by a totalitarian, essentially fascist regime.

This is just as lame as chumpfdirtism



It's tough to face the reality that liberalism hasn't worked, but bringing in Marx and Lenin doesn't make sense. Marx was a philosopher, not a politician, and he's quite well known. I'd argue he has been wildly successful.

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 06/21/2019 04:48 AM
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Creative types seem to hate them the most. Think about all the songs that couldn't have been written today and all the books that couldn't have been written. Real comedy is basically going underground so comedians can speak to people who actually understand their craft and aren't going to try to ruin their lives for saying something edgy.

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 06/21/2019 04:55 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: WG not like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, canada, UK,,,,, strong socialist safety nets keep thier economies strong, people happy
none of those countries are socialist. they are capitalist countries with strong social programs. that is what we should be aiming for, but that gets lost by the idiots like fk who thinks anything with the word 'social' as part of it is bad. people that want to burn our whole country down and replace it with true socialism like rusty just reinforces their view.
 06/21/2019 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper Creative types seem to hate them the most. Think about all the songs that couldn't have been written today and all the books that couldn't have been written. Real comedy is basically going underground so comedians can speak to people who actually understand their craft and aren't going to try to ruin their lives for saying something edgy.
the problem is that free speech only matters if it is something you want to hear or is something you agree with. many liberals are completely blind to the fact that they are every bit as bad as far right religious fanatics. instead of using a work of fiction to direct government policy, they use media and mob justice to inflict harm on people. i am 'liberal' on many things, but i cant identify with these people anymore than i can identify with those who want to burn everything down.
 06/21/2019 05:08 AM
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There are so many good tv shows and movies that couldn't have been done today. Try to release Easy Does It today. How does that work out? lol Most labels probably wouldn't touch any 80's or 90's rap today with a ten-foot pole.

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 06/21/2019 05:24 AM
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Meanwhile, playing next door on the music page, courtesy of that bastion of big government media and creative suppression, NPR, Mac.

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 06/21/2019 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Creative types seem to hate them the most. Think about all the songs that couldn't have been written today and all the books that couldn't have been written. Real comedy is basically going underground so comedians can speak to people who actually understand their craft and aren't going to try to ruin their lives for saying something edgy.


Good, I thought you guys had forgotten all about wanting Trump to do away with PC. As I recall, that was the reason many of you were voting for him.

Is it working out for you?



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