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Created On: 07/14/2019 11:53 AM
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 07/15/2019 03:43 PM
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RustyTruck

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Calling yourself a communist is a lot like calling yourself a christian. Most are unable to live up to it, and some are outright con-men and criminals. That doesn't make the ideal any less beautiful, and it gives people of good character something to aspire to.

For some ignorant and evil men, it's something to hide behind.

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 07/15/2019 10:08 PM
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is pumpkin a commie?
 07/16/2019 04:39 AM
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RiddleMe

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socialism is a proven failed concept. what does work is capitalism with controls/constraints and strong social programs. sadly idiots on the far left feed the right's propaganda machine by pushing this nonsense. all it has accomplished is pushing more moderates away, other dems to third parties, and reinforcing the right. it is a damn shame
 07/16/2019 05:51 AM
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The far right Republicans, which makes up most of the party now, are firing up Socialism in the bellies of America's youth. They are who elected the left wave Representatives, not the party elites, so in essence, Trump voters are to blame when it comes to socialism. Twenty years from now, they will be the voice of America, like it or not.

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Edited: 07/16/2019 at 05:57 AM by Cole
 07/16/2019 05:59 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Cole The far right Republicans, which makes up most of the party now, are firing up Socialism in the bellies of America's youth. They are who elected the left wave Representatives, not the party elites, so in essence, Trump voters are to blame when it comes to socialism. Twenty years from now, they will be the voice of America, like it or not.
nah, far right republicans arent 'most' of their party any more than far left progressives are most of ours. pure nonsense. fortunately 20 years from now some of the idiots pushing socialism will have had a chance to grow up and educate themselves on the folly of socialism
 07/16/2019 06:03 AM
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Do I want four more years of Trump? Of course not. Our place on the world stage will be replaced by China, we will be a decade behind in the fight against global warming, the environment will suffer and racist bigotry will be like it was in the 1970's, not to mention then economic ramifications of the massive tax stimulus and Trump's inept handling of pretty much everything. Butt, is it worth waiting four more years to be done with these useless Republicans once and for all? Maybe.

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 07/16/2019 06:03 AM
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 07/16/2019 06:08 AM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: Cole

The far right Republicans, which makes up most of the party now, are firing up Socialism in the bellies of America's youth. They are who elected the left wave Representatives, not the party elites, so in essence, Trump voters are to blame when it comes to socialism. Twenty years from now, they will be the voice of America, like it or not.


nah, far right republicans arent 'most' of their party any more than far left progressives are most of ours. pure nonsense. fortunately 20 years from now some of the idiots pushing socialism will have had a chance to grow up and educate themselves on the folly of socialism


How many have come out over Trump's overtly racist tweets? How many vote with Trump more than 80% of the time? Yes, I know you are a reformed Republican, or play one on here, but even you can see that Trump has dragged them far to the Right. How many have complained about children in cages or have fought to keep Russia out of our elections or questioned Trump attacks on the free press? Come on, you seem smart, think about it for a second.


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 07/16/2019 06:36 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Cole Yes, I know you are a reformed Republican, or play one on here
not far left, so must be republican. did you see my comment about in fighting and eating our own in the other thread? stop propagating this stupidity please or it is going to cost us another election
 07/16/2019 07:11 AM
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cheaterfiveo

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Originally posted by: Cole

Many of you blame Obamacare, but your insurance costs you $10,000 a year because it is a highly profitable, for profit industry.



And Rusty is correct about education. 90% of kids attend public schools, but states divert public monies to fund for-profit institutions.



It ain't rocket science.


Public schools not the problem, fatherless young men, drug gangs and left wing educators pollute the system^
 07/16/2019 07:15 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: Cole
Yes, I know you are a reformed Republican, or play one on here

not far left, so must be republican. did you see my comment about in fighting and eating our own in the other thread? stop propagating this stupidity please or it is going to cost us another election


I guess I speak for the democratic socialist left around here, some I'll tell you once again, our job is not to help the corporate Democrats win. You seem to think we own you something, and you're sadly mistaken. If the Dem party continues it's attack on the progressive candidates and runs another candidate that supports the status quo, it makes the accelerationist argument all the more attractive.

We are living in a socialist "moment", and while the movement may be small, it is young, and it is unburdened by neo-liberal nostalgia or red scare paranoia.

Time is on our side, because without drastic action, economic and environmental disaster are going to make collective action inevitable.

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 07/16/2019 07:38 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

They don't teach political economy in schools of fish.


They dont teach low IQ socialist/commie assholes that this is a Constitutional Republic....not the commie gulag you think it is.

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 07/16/2019 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

Do I want four more years of Trump? Of course not. Our place on the world stage will be replaced by China, we will be a decade behind in the fight against global warming, the environment will suffer and racist bigotry will be like it was in the 1970's, not to mention then economic ramifications of the massive tax stimulus and Trump's inept handling of pretty much everything. Butt, is it worth waiting four more years to be done with these useless Republicans once and for all? Maybe.


You dont have a choice....you already lost.

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 07/16/2019 09:27 AM
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WG

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In America, Socialism is mostly Social Security and Medicare.
In much of the wealthy world, it also includes medicare care for all and free education,

It does not mean government control of production much anymore.

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Edited: 07/16/2019 at 09:28 AM by WG
 07/16/2019 09:29 AM
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cheaterfiveo

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Whose money will you grab after you supposedly succeed and run out?
 07/16/2019 10:48 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck You seem to think we own you something, and you're sadly mistaken.
how so? disagreeing with you is not the same thing as thinking you owe me something. where do you come up with this shit? lol
 07/16/2019 12:04 PM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: cheaterfiveo

Whose money will you grab after you supposedly succeed and run out?


Well since workers produce all wealth, it's more a matter of what YOU will do when you can't steal the lions share of wealth produced through labor.



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 07/16/2019 02:58 PM
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Well since workers produce all wealth, it's more a matter of what YOU will do when you can't steal the lions share of wealth produced through labor.............................................. Socialism..........................Labor unions running the Government........................The workers, being directed by the union stewards who take their orders from the union bosses and who enforce union directives on their members and on anyone who opposes the union.....................Union stewards and bosses who get the most benefits at the expense of the rest of the members...............................Unions who force their production to slow down to the least common denominator, who do not reward initiative or hard work but only recognize seniority in the union................Leaders have devolved from having members interest at heart and are closer to gangsters accruing power at the expense of the members enforced by stooges who follow orders........They lose an election and socialist/union goons attack their opponents and they wage disinformation campaigns in an effort to overthrow the election and place themselves in power..........................Socialism is the worse parts of a union and crime syndicate wielding national power..............

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 07/16/2019 03:45 PM
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tpapablo

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Originally posted by: cheaterfiveo Whose money will you grab after you supposedly succeed and run out?
Well since workers produce all wealth, it's more a matter of what YOU will do when you can't steal the lions share of wealth produced through labor.
Workers do not produce all of the wealth. The guys who think up the innovations produce most of the wealth. If you don't have those guys, we would never have survived as a species. The respective contributions are valued accordingly.

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 07/16/2019 03:56 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: WG

In America, Socialism is mostly Social Security and Medicare.


And neither of those are actually 'socialist'.

Everyone PAYS into them directly.

Fool!

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