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 09/21/2019 05:40 AM
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dingpatch

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Eliminating coal and oil would be a start but, probably should seriously look at, perhaps forcefully, ways to decrease the human head count.
 09/21/2019 05:52 AM
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scombrid

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We are dependent on petroleum for energy, raw materials to make stuff, and fertilizer. Rather than use that dependence as an excuse to try to use fossil fuels as if there is no cosequence and as if the supply is endless; we need to use the energy now available to build a recycling economy. We need the energy from fossil fuels to build renewables. Once those are built though then they replace themselves until the sun burns out and the wind stops. Yes too there is a finite carrying capacity.

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 09/22/2019 04:47 AM
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we need to use the energy now available to build a recycling economy. We need the energy from fossil fuels to build renewables.............................Yes, we need a functioning and prosperous economy to be able to set up and maintain a renewable energy base..................The Paris accord agrees with this, they allow China, India and developing countries to continue their polluting until they can achieve economic parity with the 'West'...... This doesn't mean that if the economies of the West are restricted and curtailed because of draconian energy regulations, that those countries won't stop polluting until they achieve a targeted economic level that surpasses the present levels in the West. AND.... IF those countries achieve economic superiority, will they use their new found wealth to clean up the environment???

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 09/22/2019 05:00 AM
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Logically and without question, the root of all of humanity's and the plant's ills is excessive human head count. Politics and policies can't do anything to remedy that. It is entirely up to nature to rectify that problem. Fear not for humanity is unwittingly working tirelessly with her to remedy the problem. After all humanity is its own worst enemy.
 09/22/2019 06:39 AM
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dingpatch

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Very interesting analysis that puts a lot of things into "perspective"!

 09/22/2019 07:04 AM
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dingpatch

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Another take. This YouTube channel seems to be pretty good and otherwise does not seem to "push" any one political agenda.

 09/22/2019 07:22 AM
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The amount of people isn't the problem, people that don't give a shit are. Florida is the perfect example. We continue to flatten our water recharge/purification system every single day, right along with letting corporations police themselves with pollutants. Uncontrolled growth, wetland destruction, increased pollution and all in a state that depends on tourism.

You want to suck out spring water for you cows? Sure, how much do you want..

You want to plow down these Cypress stands to put up some stores? Sure, have at it.

You want to put expressways through the center of the state to attract TJ Max and Outback? Sure, why not.

We need to start thinking and start now.
 09/22/2019 09:38 AM
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somebodyelse

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should seriously look at, perhaps forcefully, ways to decrease the human head count...........If they are going to die, then they had better do so and decrease the surplus population......

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 09/22/2019 11:08 AM
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dingpatch

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I'm thinking more in terms of random, secret, sterilization.
 09/22/2019 12:39 PM
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Cole

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Trump supporter backed genocide. Why is this not surprising?

Can it begin with your families first?

..or should it just be the brown people?
 09/22/2019 12:52 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Trump supporter backed genocide. Why is this not surprising?



Can it begin with your families first?



..or should it just be the brown people?


Prog liberal commies back baby killing, illegal immigration, open boarders, socialism, felons in jail voting, lifer murderers being released, what they think is free everything...for the world (just walk across the border and we will pay for you), illegals voting etc etc etc etc etc.


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 09/22/2019 12:55 PM
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Cole

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Go fuck yourself, you piece of shit.

You are a worthless human that offers nothing to the decent world. You opinion isn't worth dried spit on the sidewalk.
 09/22/2019 12:57 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Go fuck yourself, you piece of shit.



You are a worthless human that offers nothing to the decent world. You opinion isn't worth dried spit on the sidewalk.


Back at you shit bag!

We arent here to supply the entire world with free shit as YOU want!

NOTHING IS FREE!

Your backing baby killing makes me want to PUKE!

TOUGH SHIT!

Go spend someone else's money!

You're a POS commie shitbag!



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Edited: 09/22/2019 at 12:58 PM by Fish Killer
 09/22/2019 01:04 PM
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Cole

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This thread is about the environment, you stupid shitbag.

Go beat a woman or something you soulless demon.
 09/22/2019 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by: somebodyelse

should seriously look at, perhaps forcefully, ways to decrease the human head count...........If they are going to die, then they had better do so and decrease the surplus population......


Perhaps forcefully, huh scumdummydense? And: who's "they" you language challenged chickenshit?
What a riot.......
I nominate treasonous, anti American, commie loving, anti environmental fascist traitors to clean out first then......
And: we'll start with you, clueless gramer and speling challenged inbred boy.
You want eugenics widdle fella? Are you white enough to pass the colorbar, chumpfdirt?
I am pure aryan, white anglo saxon protestant, dork.
And I worship the founders of my America.
And the world changing form of government they created:
The constitution of the United States of America.
Liberty and justice. For all...it's an actual conservative thang you treasonous magats.
"Conservative", in this context means: actual adherence to our founders intentions.
Not how your beloved fat, corrupt, dictator appeasing, orange imperial israeli wannabe spins it. Period.
And I will defend it against all who threaten us.
Period
duuuhhuuhuuh........

Edited: 09/23/2019 at 01:44 AM by nukeh2o
 09/23/2019 06:33 AM
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somebodyelse

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Somebodyelse: If they are going to die, then they had better do so and decrease the surplus population.................. Nukeh2o... Perhaps forcefully, huh scumdummydense? And: who's "they" you language challenged chickenshit? What a riot....... I nominate treasonous, anti American, commie loving, anti environmental fascist traitors to clean out first then...... And: we'll start with you, clueless gramer and speling challenged inbred boy................Somebodyelse: I was quoting Ebenezer Scrooge you illiterate dumb fuck..................

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Edited: 09/23/2019 at 06:51 AM by somebodyelse
 09/23/2019 07:00 AM
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tpapablo

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Originally posted by: somebodyelse Somebodyelse: If they are going to die, then they had better do so and decrease the surplus population.................. Nukeh2o... Perhaps forcefully, huh scumdummydense? And: who's "they" you language challenged chickenshit? What a riot....... I nominate treasonous, anti American, commie loving, anti environmental fascist traitors to clean out first then...... And: we'll start with you, clueless gramer and speling challenged inbred boy................Somebodyelse: I was quoting Ebenezer Scrooge you illiterate dumb fuck..................
Nuke, as is quite obvious, is not the most literate of folks. None of the progs are. But, anyway, I know how we can decrease the population - global warming! In other words the solution to global warming is global warming.

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 09/23/2019 07:38 AM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: somebodyelse we need to use the energy now available to build a recycling economy. We need the energy from fossil fuels to build renewables.............................Yes, we need a functioning and prosperous economy to be able to set up and maintain a renewable energy base..................The Paris accord agrees with this, they allow China, India and developing countries to continue their polluting until they can achieve economic parity with the 'West'...... This doesn't mean that if the economies of the West are restricted and curtailed because of draconian energy regulations, that those countries won't stop polluting until they achieve a targeted economic level that surpasses the present levels in the West. AND.... IF those countries achieve economic superiority, will they use their new found wealth to clean up the environment???
China's pollution is ours. We sent production and associated negative externalities over there.

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 09/23/2019 07:40 AM
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tpapablo

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Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: somebodyelse we need to use the energy now available to build a recycling economy. We need the energy from fossil fuels to build renewables.............................Yes, we need a functioning and prosperous economy to be able to set up and maintain a renewable energy base..................The Paris accord agrees with this, they allow China, India and developing countries to continue their polluting until they can achieve economic parity with the 'West'...... This doesn't mean that if the economies of the West are restricted and curtailed because of draconian energy regulations, that those countries won't stop polluting until they achieve a targeted economic level that surpasses the present levels in the West. AND.... IF those countries achieve economic superiority, will they use their new found wealth to clean up the environment???
China's pollution is ours. We sent production and associated negative externalities over there.
So, Trump's tariffs are an effective tool for fighting global warming. Is this guy knocking it out of the park or what?

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 09/23/2019 07:40 AM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: Cole The amount of people isn't the problem, people that don't give a shit are. Florida is the perfect example. We continue to flatten our water recharge/purification system every single day, right along with letting corporations police themselves with pollutants. Uncontrolled growth, wetland destruction, increased pollution and all in a state that depends on tourism. You want to suck out spring water for you cows? Sure, how much do you want.. You want to plow down these Cypress stands to put up some stores? Sure, have at it. You want to put expressways through the center of the state to attract TJ Max and Outback? Sure, why not. We need to start thinking and start now.
People in my neighborhood balk at restrictions on irrigation. They water 3,4,5 days a week, all year long, even in the dry season when we are supposedly under 1-day-per-week restrictions. Then they get mad when our irrigation wells turn salty. Oops, maybe you shouldn't have pumped the shallow aquifer so low as to create negative pressure and suck lagoon water into our wells. Microcosm of the bigger issues.

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