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MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal
By Courtney Kirchoff

A favorite tactic employed by leftists is to describe the Nazis as "right wing," with Adolf Hitler, their leader, as the grand leader of this "right wing" movement. Rewriting history is pretty common for leftists, as their history is littered with injustice (the KKK was founded by Democrats, did you know?). Injustices they claim to fight against today. Awkward.

But thanks to this nifty thing called "history" in combination with "the internet," we can bust this myth once and for all. Thoroughly.

Or until a leftist insists on ignoring it. Then we'll hold them down and tape their eyes open. Just kidding, that's only what a leftist would do. For those who'd rather watch this column in video form, there's one below. For those who prefer reading, yuck. But scroll down.

Adolf Hitler wasn't "right wing." If you take nothing else from this post, just remember Hitler was a socialist. With terrible facial hair. There's an easy way to remember it, too. NAZI stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. Associate it with blunt mustaches.

What does National Socialist German Worker's Party mean? Glad you asked. Is it different from "Democratic socialism"? Only in semantics. A Democracy is mob rule, which is why America is actually a constitutional, representative republic, NOT a democracy.

A representative republic protects the minority from the majority, whereas a democracy is the rule of the majority. Leftists get caught up in words, getting tripped up over "National Socialism" as opposed to "Democrat Socialism." But it's just that. Semantics. So when Hitler ginned up hatred for the Jews, he could get the mob to agree with him. He could get the mob to believe him. There were no representatives to stop Hitler. He was one man helming the desperation of a majority of people. Spot the difference?

When we examine Hitler's Nazi Germany through the lens of history, most, if not all of us, think of the Holocaust. In fact the holocaust might be the only thing we associate with Hitler's Nazis. We've all been told of the Jews being marched off to death camps where they were worked, tortured, then gassed. We've also heard of the experiments conducted by Hitler's Dr. Mengele. All terrible practices which we rightly find horrifying. Unless you're one of those people who think Planned Parenthood is great.

What we don't often hear or learn about is how Hitler ruled the rest of Germany, what his domestic policies were for the German people he didn't march off to death camps. Hitler's domestic, socialist policies will be the focus of this post. Trigger warning: they're eerily similar to what American Democrats tout today. Double trigger warning? He initially had the support of the mob of people. So replace many of Hitler's policies with something you hear from Bernie Sanders...

Brief Historical Background on Hitler...
Germany lost World War I. As such, Germany was in a state of economic and national depression. Not totally unusual for losing a giant war. But the depression was a long, drawn out one (15 years) leaving the German people poor, hungry, desperate, lacking any confidence. Then along came a young man named Adolf Hitler...
Hitler was a powerful and spellbinding speaker who attracted a wide following of Germans desperate for change. He promised the disenchanted a better life and a new and glorious Germany. The Nazis appealed especially to the unemployed, young people, and members of the lower middle class (small store owners, office employees, craftsmen, and farmers).

Human beings may advance technologically, but spiritually? Not so much. In fact I'd contest we rarely learn our lessons when choosing our leaders. Especially charismatic ones. If a man (or woman) can speak eloquently, with confidence, we cannot help but be enthralled. We often follow along, like the town's children following the pied piper.

Employment for All
After that depression, Hitler made a huge promise to his people: employment for all. How did he do it? Roads and infrastructure:
As Fuhrer, Hitler's first priority was jobs, or the lack of them. German unemployment had peaked at 6 million due to the Depression devastating the economy. With innovative public works schemes such as the building of autobahns, Hitler put every German back to work. He also advocated schemes such as KdF - Strength Through Joy - which gave workers increased benefits for increased levels of production. This policy was popular and increasingly with the proletariat who had seen their country decimated by the depression...

By putting people back to work and making huge public spending, inflation was bound to happen. However, Hitler kept this under control by not allowing wages to rise with prices. This may have been one unpopular aspect of Hitler's economic policy but there were many that the people supported.

So Hitler created jobs...through government. While at the same time, he criticized certain segments of the population, demeaning them, blaming the countries woes upon them. The rich, they just ruin everything. Sound familiar?

Big Education
If you haven't seen it yet, go watch WW2 Surivor's Account Draws Chilling Similarities between Nazism and Liberalism.

When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

Public education, where children are at school all day long, with state-funded and state-sponsored curriculum... convinced yet?

Nationalized Healthcare
Also from the WW2 Surivor's accounting of Nazism:

After Hitler's health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income.

Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

Do I really need to write commentary on this one? Really?

Gun Control
Yes, Germany had gun control. It started before Hitler with a national gun registry:

...in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany's Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

Here's what happened as a result:
In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for "public safety." The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

Finally, Hitler just took the guns from Jews. An armed citizenry is a dangerous one, after all. Hitler even said this about guns in the hands of the people: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

In Breslau in 1933, Jews were ordered to "surrender [their] weapons forthwith to the police authorities" on the basis that "Jewish citizens have allegedly used their weapons for unlawful attacks on members of the Nazi organization and the police." This was a regular occurrence all over Germany until the Waffengesetz of 1938, which effectively banned Jewish firearm ownership in all of Germany (though this had been something of a reality for a while, as in 1935 the Gestapo had ordered no weapons permits to be issued to Jews without the approval of the Gestapo itself).

So excuse us Second Amendment supporters when we here Obama, Sanders and Clinton talking about regulating guns more than they're regulated today. Call us paranoid. We'll keep our guns.

Abortion
The great sacrament of the left, abortion. You'll be pleased to know that Hitler was pro-choice:

Dr. Tessa Chelouche goes on to quote Hitler's 1942 policy statement on the application of abortion to Slavic people, which is chillingly similar to modern Planned Parenthood propaganda:

"In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply...We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman's health... It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics."

Compare the Nazi's application of abortion to how Planned Parenthood (a government-funded organization) operates. Also read up on Margaret Sanger, who echoed much of Hitler's sentiment.

Blaming the One Percent Jews
Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat, blaming them for everything, including economic hardship, even though the Jewish population in Germany was less than one percent...

Jews in Germany made up less than one percent of the German population. But held According to the census of June 1933, the Jewish population of Germany consisted of about 500,000 people. Jews represented less than one percent of the total German population of about 67 million people.

Despite that, Hitler insisted on taking their money...
Nearly 120 billion Reich marks - over £12 billion at the time - was plundered from German Jews by laws and looting.

The official study commissioned by the ministry examined the years from 1933 to 1945. Hans-Peter Ullmann, a Cologne history professor, said the tax authorities under the Nazis actively worked to "destroy Jews financially" and to loot wealth in the nations the Germans occupied.

Even Jews who managed to escape from Germany before the Holocaust had to leave part of their wealth behind in the form of an "exit tax". Tax laws discriminated against Jews from 1934 onwards.
And boycotting their businesses...

At 10:00 a.m., members of the Storm Troopers (SA) and SS (the elite guard of the Nazi state) stand in front of Jewish-owned businesses throughout Germany to inform the public that the proprietors of these establishments are Jewish. The word "Jude," German for "Jew," is often smeared on store display windows, with a Star of David painted in yellow and black across the doors. Anti-Jewish signs accompany these slogans. In some towns, the SA march through the streets singing anti-Jewish slogans and party songs.

Review: Hitler demeaned the Jews. He blamed the economic and national depression on them. He instituted national boycotts of their business. He then took their money through taxes and outright looting. Hey, maybe they weren't paying their "fair share."

The Police State
If you dared oppose the Nazis or Hitler politically, especially with your words, you better watch out. The Gestapo was on the hunt for political dissidents, many of whom would simply vanish.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler also turned the regular (nonparty) police forces into an instrument of terror. He helped forge the powerful Secret State Police (Geheime Staatspolizei), or Gestapo; these non-uniformed police used ruthless and cruel methods throughout Germany to identify and arrest political opponents and others who refused to obey laws and policies of the Nazi regime.

Compare the Gestapo with how leftists want to jail people who do not believe in man-made climate change. Compare the Gestapo to the Gaystapo, who fines people who do not agree with gay marriage or the gay lifestyle. Compare the Gestapo to liberal New York, which fines you for not using the right gender pronouns.

In Conclusion
Hitler was a horrible human being. But aside from how he treated the Jews, aside from his monsterous ways, his polcies were anything but "conservative." He wanted big government, he wanted big eductation, he wanted thought control. He hated political dissidents. He loathed free-speech. He feared an armed citizenry.
So stop saying "Hitler was right-wing." No, he wasn't. If anything, he was a full-fledged left-winger. With a horrible mustache.

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"Why yes: herr Hitler did great things for Germany. At first....
He was just misunderstood, that's all"
Quoting a drunk Bruno Rixen: card carrying national socialist.
He designed a system to rescue folks from bombed buildings.
He turned it into a cable waterski system. There is one in Orlando.
"Gary" is it?
Fat, stinking clueless traitor.
Glub glub glub my man.....
indeed
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MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Gary is a Lyin Fish....

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Gary getting scary.

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Damn Gary
U scary
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I guess you guys told him....One of you went for the name calling, mentally ill response, two of you say he scares you and only one of you went for the liar-lair pants on fire retort... well done, brilliant defense guys...

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Originally posted by: somebodyelse

I guess you guys told him....One of you went for the name calling, mentally ill response, two of you say he scares you and only one of you went for the liar-lair pants on fire retort... well done, brilliant defense guys...


What exactly is there to defend? Hitler pretty much wrote the book on Nationalism and how to be a good NAZI. This is Gary's way of trying to name call liberal minded people Nazi's.

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In Conclusion
Hitler was a horrible human being. But aside from how he treated the Jews, aside from his monsterous ways, his polcies were anything but "conservative." He wanted big government, he wanted big education, he wanted thought control. He hated political dissidents. He loathed free-speech. He feared an armed citizenry.
So stop saying "Hitler was right-wing." No, he wasn't. If anything, he was a full-fledged left-winger. With a horrible mustache.


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fishkller

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Yeah left wing liberal all the way LOL

I thought Lyin Fish Gary was already at dotard critical mass, but then he goes and outdumbs himself. Congrats- I think?


Now can you tell us how Flavor Flav is really a white guy?



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The need to even compare Hitler's politics with those of your current opposition is a desperate, ugly reach too far. It's also a very poor comparison. If you want a good comparison, compare a trump rally to a good old fashioned nazi book burning. Hitler hated the intelligentsia, the press, and used his office to personally enrich himself.

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

In Conclusion

Hitler was a horrible human being. But aside from how he treated the Jews, aside from his monsterous ways, his polcies were anything but "conservative." He wanted big government, he wanted big education, he wanted thought control. He hated political dissidents. He loathed free-speech. He feared an armed citizenry.

So stop saying "Hitler was right-wing." No, he wasn't. If anything, he was a full-fledged left-winger. With a horrible mustache.


Sure thing Gary. Why do right-wing militia and right-wing white nationalist group carry swastikas' and swear by the Mien Kompf?

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

The need to even compare Hitler's politics with those of your current opposition is a desperate, ugly reach too far.


Hell NO it's not!

IT'S SPOT FUCKING ON!

WORD FOR WORD!

MORON!

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We will be waiting on your thread that the Civil war had nothing to do slavery.

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YO....SHITFORBRAINS....

Here it is in VIDEO so that you don't have to READ!

I know that you didnt READ it because your reading level is fucking 3RD GRADE!

Here you can listen to it in easy to HEAR...ENGLISH!



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LOL LYIN FISH GARY LOGIC:

Some Youtube Douchebag made a video about it, and it fits my delusional self narrative- so it HAS to be true!






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Totally agree, Fish Killer. In fact, if things didn't go downhill for ol' Adolf, he would've had the lead in "Hair" and "Jesus Christ Superstar".

The only reason Ben and Jerry don't have a flavor called "Reichy Road" in honor of the Fuhrer of hippies is all the fake news that's come out about him.


Berlin was basically like Golden Gate park when the allies finally moved in, according to the REAL reports and some hidden double top secret footage.

Heck, Adolf the liberal love bug even called it the National SOCIALIST movement. I mean, it's right out there! I should make a meme for Facebook about that big insight, huh?
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^^^^ LMFAO

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Hey not Gary, somebodyelse, the Hitler comparison is a worthy discussion or just a troll's provocation?

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Its been a valid discussion comparing Hitler to liberals...because it's TRUE!

MORON!

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