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Topic Title: The whistleblower has a right to remain anonymous.
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Created On: 11/04/2019 08:57 AM
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 11/04/2019 08:57 AM
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johnnyboy

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But you can't villainize him if you don't know who he is. So what do the Patriots in the GOP do? Everything they can to find out, including passing out a list of possible people they think it might be.

And for what? Trump has admitted to almost everything on the phone call. The only part that was not provided was the specifics about Burisma. So how does this help? Trump admits to it and you attack it as hearsay? Then you get first hand info and you attack the bonafide war hero of "being born in the Soviet Union" as if that inference is all the proof you need?

Today, trump is advising his top White House national security advisor Eisenberg not to testify that once he heard the perfect phone call, he quickly transferred it to the top secret server where it was his intention to hide it. That's obstruction.

Now, today trump has predictably floated out his latest attempt at his evolving defense: I didn't ask for a quid pro quo but even if I did, there's nothing wrong with that. I like what he did there with an admission and a denial. This is based upon his understanding that whatever he does as president is lawful bc he's the president.

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 11/04/2019 12:12 PM
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Trump demands whistle blowers identity. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/...wer-testify-in-person- - -the-thing-he-refused-to-do-in-mueller-probe/ar-AAJQ164?ocid=spartanntp

Why? So he can verify what Trump already admitted to and sic the deplorables on him for it?

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 11/04/2019 12:29 PM
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Greensleeves

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The child President tantruming again? Anyone that could respect that idiot isn't playing with a full deck.

The whistle-blower is an American patriot and his/her identity needs to be protected.
 11/04/2019 12:51 PM
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Fish Killer

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"The whistleblower has a right to remain anonymous."

Not and testify against ANYBODY!

The Constitution's Bill of Rights calls you a LIAR!

Everyone has the right to address their accuser...TO THEIR FACE!

MORON!

GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU COMMIE!

http://criminal.findlaw.com/cr...frontation-clause.html

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Edited: 11/04/2019 at 12:54 PM by Fish Killer
 11/04/2019 01:16 PM
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Greensleeves

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guppy swallower wallowing in the filth that is the trump administration. Look how it has turned him into a shallow senseless know-nothing.

but lets go with the 6th amendment is twitler a criminal defendant in this proceeding? he should be of course but so far he ain't. is the whistleblower's testimony even needed? There is much more corroborating evidence to include that idiot Mulvaney and Trump admitting it was bribery to get dirt on an American citizen.

constitution thumping dim bulbs
 11/04/2019 01:30 PM
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If you set a precedent that you can be a "whistleblower" for something you didn't even hear first hand, while remaining anonymous, then you are opening the door for people to just make up whatever the f they want. It's retarded. It isn't good for anyone. It will create an environment from here on out in which the legislative branch spends all its time with these bullshit investigations.

The whistleblower's name is Eric Ciaramella and he needs to testify under oath. Keep it behind closed doors if you want to. I don't care but both sides deserve to question him. It has been reported widely that Ciaramella has close ties to John Brennan, Susan Rice, and he previously worked under Joe Biden while Biden was VP. Someone's motivation does matter in situations like this one. Schiff wants him to remain anonymous, so no one has to testify under oath regarding how much interaction Schiff's office had with the "whistleblower" before he came forward with the complaint officially.

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 11/04/2019 02:35 PM
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Not at all to the above crazy almost Jim Jordan-esque response.

In the twitler bribing a foreign government issue yhere is a process and the whistle-blower followed it. Lying whistle-blowers risk their reputations and jobs.

Sniper (like all the talking points bobble heards) wants to the to the bottom of everything but what actually happened.
 11/04/2019 03:31 PM
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How about the precedent Trump set when he refused to cooperate with Muller by testifying under oath?

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 11/04/2019 03:50 PM
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I don't think it's a stretch that the whistleblower's life may be in danger.

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 11/04/2019 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

I don't think it's a stretch that the whistleblower's life may be in danger.


Yep, it's a real issue in a dictatorship.

Remember when Republicans ranted and raved over the Constitution and the rule of law? What nice goose-steppers they have turned out to be.



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 11/04/2019 04:21 PM
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The party of law and order, as long as it's not them.

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 11/04/2019 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

The party of law and order, as long as it's not them.


No modern Democrat has even remotely approached this level of bullshit; from debt and lack of success, to crimes and lies.



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 11/04/2019 11:24 PM
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The whistleblower law was passed for good reason. It was accompanied by requirements that government agencies have effective inspectors general, some of whom have been busy in the Trump administration. As the attorney for the whistleblower in the Ukraine scandal has pointed out, his or her testimony is no longer needed. The original complaint has been corroborated and expanded upon by first-hand observers.
 11/05/2019 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by: ww
The original complaint has been corroborated


Liar!

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 11/05/2019 05:56 AM
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Rand Paul says he knows who it is and it's up to the press to do "their" job and expose him. I think I know how his neighbor felt when he tackled Paul off his lawnmower and broke his ribs. This is dirty. The press that trump attacks everyday is now a tool to break the law, reveal the identity of someone who doesn't want their identity revealed, who offered to answer any questions but was rejected and whose statements were verified almost verbatim by the President and EVERY OTHER WITNESS. And then, when his identity is revealed, are we supposed to pretend that some guy with an AR will storm that pizza parlor full of pedophiles and shoot that lying traitor? Or that this wasn't the goal of outing him?

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 11/05/2019 05:59 AM
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The mafia has taken over the US government, and anyone who threatens them is in danger. There's only one reason they want to out the whistleblower, that's to destroy them. That's how gangsters work.

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 11/05/2019 06:14 AM
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Who gives a shit what they want.

The whistleblower doesn't need to come forward and shouldn't.

Trump doesn't comply with anything- even normal shit he SHOULD comply with..

why the Hell should the whistleblower come out when he has laws to protect him, is not required to do so, and these gangster thugs clearly just want to kill him.or at the very least destroy his life completely.

Fuck those Trumpanzees



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 11/05/2019 06:39 AM
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

The mafia has taken over the US government, and anyone who threatens them is in danger. There's only one reason they want to out the whistleblower, that's to destroy them. That's how gangsters work.


You guys are extremely short-sighted. Just because you think this may work in your favor in the short-term, you can't see how this opens a pandora's box moving forward. Do you really want anyone to be able to violate executive privilege anonymously, without having to face his accuser or any questioning if a Democrat ever gets back in office?

Trump hasn't committed a crime, so nobody is worried about him being removed from office. Wanting the accuser to testify has nothing to do with the impeachment because there is a 0% chance Trump will be removed from office for this horseshit. This has to do with preventing anonymous, partisan, bomb-throwers ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE, from getting away with this without having to face the person they are accusing.

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 11/05/2019 07:05 AM
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As Americans, we should be investigating this.. and as Americans, we should be protecting the whistleblower's identity.

Not sure why you are cheerleading and defending a guy and his cronies who have so clearly been involved in shady shit

If nothing happened, they will find nothing.


As a footnote, it's "aisle"



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 11/05/2019 07:22 AM
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: fishkller

As Americans, we should be investigating this.. and as Americans, we should be protecting the whistleblower's identity.

Not sure why you are cheerleading and defending a guy and his cronies who have so clearly been involved in shady shit

If nothing happened, they will find nothing.

As a footnote, it's "aisle"


Investigating what? We have the transcript. Trump didn't do anything illegal.

The leaker's name is Eric Ciaramella. His identity is out there. He violated Executive privilege. This President, and all those that follow him, regardless of party affiliation need to know that they can have conversations with foreign leaders without having to worry about people like Eric Ciaramella, who worked under the VP of the previous administration, leaking the details of the conversation to the public. If Schiff and his merry band of retards really cared about the whistleblower's identity, they could have done this quietly, as they do with all the other whistleblower complaints. They don't give a Schiff about protecting the whistleblower's identity.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 07:23 AM by Sniper
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