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Created On: 11/14/2019 03:14 PM
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 11/14/2019 03:14 PM
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johnnyboy

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The ignorant don't want to be educated. They want to be entertained. They don't care about the lies, they care about what's next. This use of the short attention span to outlast a valid criticism is something that works for trump so he he is trying it out to see if works with his base. Those people are pretty susceptible to his con so my guess is that we will start seeing people say it doesn't matter if it's true, it was boring so I can't be bothered by it.

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 11/14/2019 03:22 PM
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true on both sides when you consider dems have been pandering to everyone with a different other only to forget them till next election cycle. You used lies as a term that dems are never guilty of. case in point Schiff, Pelosi and anyone who is pissed because they lost the election. All perpetrating a lie because they are unable to beat him at the ballot box. If you have a good candidate and run a good campaign you should win, try it its the American way

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 11/14/2019 04:01 PM
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That's a theory cheater. The hearing is about proof for that that theory. Instead of saying that Trump didn't do it, they said it was hearsay, he did it and everyone does, so what, no harm no foul and it's boring. It's not a factual denial. You attack the democrats as liars. I'm sure they have lied too and often but this is focused on a specific event at a specific time with a specific result. Trump admitted to most of it. He acted on his own behalf outside the state department with his personal lawyer to get dirt on a political rival in the coming election. He never once mentioned corruption in his perfect call. He did mention some debunked bot conspiracies and the Bidens by name. That was to help him, not the country and he used shady means to do it. He's not innocent because the people impeaching him think he's a self centered grifter with a penchant for reality television. People that lie and hate you can still be taken seriously if they haven't lied about their evidence (about a liar and hater like trump). We are judging trump's character, we are judging his actions, what he did, why, who did it benefit and was it illegal.

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 11/15/2019 07:32 AM
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somebodyelse

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People that lie and hate you can still be taken seriously if they haven't lied about their evidence.. THANK YOU... Tell this to everybody who thinks the impeachment is legitimate .... The Shitt show has been lies from before Trump was sworn into office when Democrats and their officers were vowing Impeachment as a way to nullify the election. Russian Collusion lies for three years... Every week new lies about a new 'impeachable offence' I agree with you, since they lied about every bit of so called evidence for the last three years we cannot and should not take them seriously...

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 11/15/2019 07:34 AM
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2020....

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 11/15/2019 08:03 AM
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johnnyboy

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It's a little tough to take you seriously when Moscow Mitch vowed that Obama would be a one term term president and literally blocked every legislative effort to the point that the only way to get anything done was with an executive order. The victim Donald Trump never once offered to testify about his hundred million dollar hotel deal in Moscow that was kept alive after the election and that included giving a free penthouse to Putin. He wouldn't testify and he wouldn't let others testify. He cannot get a loan from any legitimate bank due to his 7 bankruptcies but unmanned Russians seem willing to loan him money and purchase his properties in a way that hides every detail. His tax returns would as perfect as his phone call to Zelensky where he asked about crowdstrike, the hoax where the Russian blamed the Ukrainians for their hacks. The Russians hackers were named and indicted and wikileaks, who dumped DNC dirt on Hillary within a day of his pussy grabbing remarks released, has been labeled as a Russian asset to disseminate propaganda.

Hoax? Witch hunt?

You let this guy play victim and he does as he rapes this country. You have demonstrated that you cannot see the aggressor in victim's clothing. You can't see past your hatred of anyone who disagrees with you. You have a right to your opinion but you don't have a right to your facts. Those facts are real and if you can take them into account for your opinion, you might come to different opinion.

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 11/15/2019 08:43 AM
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You can't see past your hatred of anyone who disagrees with you. You have a right to your opinion but you don't have a right to your facts. Those facts are real and if you can take them into account for your opinion, you might come to different opinion...YES. Thank you... LOOK AT THE FACTS... SHOW THE FACTS NOT YOUR SECOND HAND OPINIONS.... Look at this: his phone call to Zelensky where he asked about crowdstrike... what did your masters tell you this fact means?? Let's see... He asked the President of the Ukraine about a Russian Hoax that was blamed on Ukrainian's and he asked Zelensky to look into it.... Did they tell you that this is Impeachable, LOOK AT THIS AS FACT. Try to break out of the mold, try to realize it doesn't mean what they tell you it means...What about this FACT?... The RUSSIAN HACKER ...has been labeled as a RUSSIAN ASSET... Can you look at that and change your opinion? BUT NO, you can't, Liberals are unable to form new opinions, real facts don't have any effect on a Brainwashed drone. You are told what each 'fact' means... YOUR NARRATIVE IS WHAT? That he should be impeached for Asking the President of the Ukraine to look into a hoax blamed on his country and for labeling a Russian Hacker as a Russian asset...?

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 11/15/2019 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by: somebodyelse

You can't see past your hatred of anyone who disagrees with you. You have a right to your opinion but you don't have a right to your facts. Those facts are real and if you can take them into account for your opinion, you might come to different opinion...YES. Thank you... LOOK AT THE FACTS... SHOW THE FACTS NOT YOUR SECOND HAND OPINIONS.... Look at this: his phone call to Zelensky where he asked about crowdstrike... what did your masters tell you this fact means?? Let's see... He asked the President of the Ukraine about a Russian Hoax that was blamed on Ukrainian's and he asked Zelensky to look into it.... Did they tell you that this is Impeachable, LOOK AT THIS AS FACT. Try to break out of the mold, try to realize it doesn't mean what they tell you it means...What about this FACT?... The RUSSIAN HACKER ...has been labeled as a RUSSIAN ASSET... Can you look at that and change your opinion? BUT NO, you can't, Liberals are unable to form new opinions, real facts don't have any effect on a Brainwashed drone. You are told what each 'fact' means... YOUR NARRATIVE IS WHAT? That he should be impeached for Asking the President of the Ukraine to look into a hoax blamed on his country and for labeling a Russian Hacker as a Russian asset...?


No, you must ask yourself why is a President asking a 'corrupt' government to investigate current political opponents and or a 'hoax'. Why investigate a hoax? If it is a hoax, there is nothing to investigate. Also these Biden accusations all happened before Trump's presidency. It doesn't take a genius to realize the timing of this and how it shows the BS laden throughout your 'questions'.

Also, I just formed a new opinion: You are a blind Trump supporter avoiding facts. You are wrong there too.
 11/15/2019 09:01 AM
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If any of the Dems could clearly articulate which law Trump has broken then I guess it wouldn't be as boring. This would be like if the Republicans chose to impeach Obama for the IRS scandal, operation fast and furious, or Benghazi. Thanks to the horseshit the Dems are engaging in, this is likely to be the new-normal moving forward, regardless of which party is in charge.
 11/15/2019 09:04 AM
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HAPDigital

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Originally posted by: Sniper

If any of the Dems could clearly articulate which law Trump has broken then I guess it wouldn't be as boring. This would be like if the Republicans chose to impeach Obama for the IRS scandal, operation fast and furious, or Benghazi. Thanks to the horseshit the Dems are engaging in, this is likely to be the new-normal moving forward, regardless of which party is in charge.


We have multiple times. There are many laws which were broken. Do we need to list them all again?
 11/15/2019 09:04 AM
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crowdstrike! nobodyelse falling into the ignorance black hole created by the twitterer in chief. Only via impossible scenarios, that any elementary school kid with a phone and a decent data plan could debunk, are these dopes able to justify remaining behind (gross) their idiot idol.

It doesn't matter because while nobodyelse will gladly remain in the foul slime that is the GOP and their "news" sources real Americans will reject twitler, his crappy family of shysters, and the GOP dumba$$es aligned with him.

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Edited: 11/15/2019 at 09:19 AM by Greensleeves
 11/15/2019 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

He acted on his own behalf outside the state department with his personal lawyer to get dirt on a political rival in the coming election. He never once mentioned corruption in his perfect call. He did mention some debunked bot conspiracies and the Bidens by name. That was to help him, not the country and he used shady means to do it.....


You guys might have a leg to stand on if you had ever cared about any of these things before.
 11/15/2019 09:19 AM
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Sniper

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All of the Dem's double standards are what is boring the public and causing the eye rolls.

Hunter Biden has already said that he doesn't know why he was chosen for that position and that it was most likely because of his last name, at a time when his father was overseeing our involvement with Ukranian energy. Hunter Biden knew nothing about energy and nothing about Ukraine.

If one of Trump's kids started receiving millions of dollars from Ukraine or China for consulting on a subject they admit they know nothing about, would you afford them the same benefit of the doubt?

Would you want to impeach members of congress for asking for Ukraine's help in investigating the Trump Family?

The Democrats are trying to crucify Republicans for things they are doing themselves..

Even with colluding with Russia. The dossier that Clinton bought clearly states that it used sources close to the Kremlin. She colluded with Russia and used it to affect an election. Nobody on the left gives a shit.
 11/15/2019 09:29 AM
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Greensleeves

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Sniper "but Hillary!" Does he have any idea how stupid that is politically? I hope the GOP hangs their hat on that.

His dear obese leader held up aid to a US ally (while people of that ally were being killed) until that ally agreed to work on an investigation of an American political opponent. And the GOP appears to have nothing that counters that scenario.

So the strategy is:

make the 65M that voted for Hillary upset
not offer anything defending twitler to the people that could swing away from twitler because they consider the character
not offer any help to twitler for the other 43% of Americans that could have but didn't vote?

Solid!!

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 11/15/2019 09:35 AM
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Sniper

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Almost forgot about this one. Add this one to the list of shit the Democrats are doing but they want to crucify Republicans for. You gotta walk the walk if you are going to talk the talk. The Democrats are full of shit and everybody knows it.

 11/15/2019 09:48 AM
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"At the core of this narrative is Trump's continuing reliance on foreign help in corrupting our democracy to his advantage, through two presidential elections, and the covering up of all of it."


The scope of Trump's corruption is mind-boggling.

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 11/15/2019 09:55 AM
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LMFAO! Do you people own a f'ing mirror? Could you be any less self-aware???
 11/15/2019 10:16 AM
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Also, I just formed a new opinion: You are a blind Trump supporter avoiding facts. You are wrong there too..... I tell you SIX times to look at the facts, I capitalize it:LOOK AT THE FACTS .... and I write an OPINION piece.... You Look at my OPINION to form your NEW OPINION and still never look at a single fact .... Trump asked the NEW President of the Ukraine to look into the corruption of the old Government. He asked him to look into reports of election meddling during the last election cycle. WE, the US don't want to hand money to a corrupt government...We don't want this election cycle meddled with by the Ukrainians, please mister Ukrainian President look into this. And speaking of the last government and corruption, did a member of the last US administration tell that last corrupt government that we were going to withhold money because of that corruption?....

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 11/15/2019 10:26 AM
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johnnyboy

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Seriously snipe. That article you posted was from when? Before Zelensky was president and trump and guilianni put all their eggs in the loser's basket. Get this straight. Ukraine never hacked the DNC, sustained a propaganda fake news campaign and had none of their people indicted for that. That was Russia. The same Russia that did all of those same things in Ukraine before they invaded and took part of a sovereign nations territory by armed force.

The crime is bribery. The money was given. The pentagon cleared the funds with a certificate that it was now good. The Ukrainians were at war with Russia and needed our help but first, trump needed a favor. Not for the U.S., for his re-election. Zelensky was slated to go on CNN to announce the Biden investigation but the money was released. That's bribing him.

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 11/15/2019 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

Seriously snipe. That article you posted was from when? Before Zelensky was president and trump and guilianni put all their eggs in the loser's basket. Get this straight. Ukraine never hacked the DNC, sustained a propaganda fake news campaign and had none of their people indicted for that. That was Russia. The same Russia that did all of those same things in Ukraine before they invaded and took part of a sovereign nations territory by armed force.

The crime is bribery. The money was given. The pentagon cleared the funds with a certificate that it was now good. The Ukrainians were at war with Russia and needed our help but first, trump needed a favor. Not for the U.S., for his re-election. Zelensky was slated to go on CNN to announce the Biden investigation but the money was released. That's bribing him.


Oh, so it only matters if someone works with Zelensky to get dirt on their political rivals? If they worked with Zelensky's predecessor then no problems there? Yeah, Russia invaded Ukraine and Obama did nothing about it. Trump has armed Ukraine so they can defend themselves.

An example of bribery would be if someone paid off a cop, in exchange for the cop letting their son off the hook

An example of bribery WOULD NOT be telling a cop that you are withholding their paycheck until they have investigated a case of possible corruption.
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