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Topic Title: Meet John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar Topic Summary: Created On: 08/14/2009 04:14 PM |
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 08/14/2009 04:14 PM
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Forcing abortions to shrink the human population and giving trees the right to sue people are two of many radical ideas floated by 'science czar,' John Holdren in the past. John Holdren, Science Czar 
John Holdren is the director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy, focusing on energy independence and global warming. Holdren has degrees from MIT and Stanford and won the unanimous approval in the Senate to be the president's chief science adviser, but some of his controversial early writings may have escaped the senators' notice. |
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08/14/2009 04:29 PM
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giving trees the right to sue people are two of many Please provide the exact source where he advocated for these things, not commentary about an old textbook from your favorite blogger or from anti-environmentalists back in the day. I want the full text, in context. ------------------------- ... |
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08/14/2009 05:31 PM
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Well, nice to meet you there, John...I'm sure you're a big enough ass-munch to fit right in with the new socialist regime.
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08/14/2009 06:44 PM
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giving trees the right to sue people are two of many Please provide the exact source where he advocated for these things, not commentary about an old textbook from your favorite blogger or from anti-environmentalists back in the day. I want the full text, in context. Typical lib. Too lazy, shiftless, lethargic, apathetic, feckless, dimwitted, stupefied, and ignorant to research the answer for himself. You want the source, Wonder Boy, look it up. Ain't nobody here your Stepin Fetchit. |
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08/14/2009 07:20 PM
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I don't know anything about this dude. But it sounds like the guy is a 'think outside the box' dude. We need something like that to focus on energy independence and global warming.
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08/15/2009 03:48 AM
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Dave you got too many trees. You wouldn't want them all suing yo. Could get expensive.
------------------------- Wooden Boards for Iron Men |
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08/15/2009 05:47 AM
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Plants are people to. Its a shame that they have to sue for minority rights. I would prefer to see more trees than people, but that is just me!
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08/15/2009 06:16 AM
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That's how it starts, Dave: Let one tree in, pretty soon you've got a forest.
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08/15/2009 07:58 AM
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Typical lib. Too lazy, shiftless, lethargic, apathetic, feckless, dimwitted, stupefied, and ignorant to research the answer for himself. What planet do you live on? You make the claim, you support it. Otherwise you're just being disingenuous. ------------------------- ... |
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08/15/2009 08:05 AM
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I have already researched this topic after hearing Beck foam at the mouth about it. Unless you're privy to something that I am not you are bullshitting. But that is the FOX modern "conservative" way. Make tenuous claims. Bleating masses believe claims. Honest people spend times researching the claim but their work is fruitless because Joe The Plumber has already heard what he wants to hear.
FOX et al. are also counting on Joe The Plumber not knowing how to do research on the tiny tiny chance that he ever question them. In this case if he types "forced abortion" and "john holdren" into any search engine and gets page after page of freeper and worldnetdaily bullshit and not any original writing by Holdren. But he doesn't care to get the original content. No, the right wing opinion blogs which incestuously cite one another will reinforce his belief and he'll move on satisfied in the original bullshit story. If someone does something so crazy as to dig up Holdren's work, Joe Plumber will have already made up his mind and ignore them. You could prove me wrong and support your original claims. If you do bother, please do a better job than the AFA with their out-of-context snippets. ------------------------- ... Edited: 08/15/2009 at 08:13 AM by scombrid |
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08/15/2009 10:20 AM
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------------------------- "I could be somewhere else! I don't get any extra pay I don't have any requirement to be here!" ---Democratic Congressman at Town Hall Meeting |
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08/15/2009 11:36 AM
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Typical lib. Too lazy, shiftless, lethargic, apathetic, feckless, dimwitted, stupefied, and ignorant to research the answer for himself. What planet do you live on? You make the claim, you support it. Otherwise you're just being disingenuous. John Holdren, director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy, considered compulsory abortions and other Draconian measures to shrink the human population in a 1977 science textbook. By Joseph Abrams FOXNews.com Tuesday, July 21, 2009 John Holdren, President Obama's chief science adviser, is facing scrutiny for radical population control measures he discussed in a 1977 ecology textbook. (AP photo) President Obama's "science czar," John Holdren, once floated the idea of forced abortions, "compulsory sterilization," and the creation of a "Planetary Regime" that would oversee human population levels and control all natural resources as a means of protecting the planet -- controversial ideas his critics say should have been brought up in his Senate confirmation hearings. Holdren, who has degrees from MIT and Stanford and headed a science policy program at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government for the past 13 years, won the unanimous approval of the Senate as the president's chief science adviser. He was confirmed with little fanfare on March 19 as director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy, a 50-person directorate that advises the president on scientific affairs, focusing on energy independence and global warming. But many of Holdren's radical ideas on population control were not brought up at his confirmation hearings; it appears that the senators who scrutinized him had no knowledge of the contents of a textbook he co-authored in 1977, "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment," a copy of which was obtained by FOXNews.com. The 1,000-page course book, which was co-written with environmental activists Paul and Anne Ehrlich, discusses and in one passage seems to advocate totalitarian measures to curb population growth, which it says could cause an environmental catastrophe. The three authors summarize their guiding principle in a single sentence: "To provide a high quality of life for all, there must be fewer people." As first reported by FrontPage Magazine, Holdren and his co-authors spend a portion of the book discussing possible government programs that could be used to lower birth rates. Those plans include forcing single women to abort their babies or put them up for adoption; implanting sterilizing capsules in people when they reach puberty; and spiking water reserves and staple foods with a chemical that would make people sterile. To help achieve those goals, they formulate a "world government scheme" they call the Planetary Regime, which would administer the world's resources and human growth, and they discuss the development of an "armed international organization, a global analogue of a police force" to which nations would surrender part of their sovereignty. Holdren's office issued a statement to FOXNews.com denying that the ecologist has ever backed any of the measures discussed in his book, and suggested reading more recent works authored solely by Holdren for a view to his beliefs. "Dr. Holdren has stated flatly that he does not now support and has never supported compulsory abortions, compulsory sterilization, or other coercive approaches to limiting population growth," the statement said. "Straining to conclude otherwise from passages treating controversies of the day in a three-author, 30-year-old textbook is a mistake." But the textbook itself appears to contradict that claim. Holdren and the Ehrlichs offer ideas for "coercive," "involuntary fertility control," including "a program of sterilizing women after their second or third child," which doctors would be expected to do right after a woman gives birth. "Unfortunately," they write, "such a program therefore is not practical for most less developed countries," where doctors are not often present when a woman is in labor. While Holdren and his co-authors don't openly endorse such measures on other topics, in this case they announce their disappointment -- "unfortunately" -- that women in the third world cannot be sterilized against their will, a procedure the International Criminal Court considers a crime against humanity. Click here for the full section on "Involuntary Fertility Control" Click here to see the section on sterilizing women MORE |
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08/15/2009 02:33 PM
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Was that too hard?
The section provided on "forced sterilization" doesn't have Holdren advocating that position yet that is the impression given by FOX and others. Instead it is a collection of programs in effect and proposed in various countries at the time. The table on page 788 even has a category rating "restriction on individual liberty" which gives the impression that the authors were sensitive to balancing liberty against trying to deal with resource limitation. But to hear the bloggers tell it, Holdren was out their championing draconian restrictions because he hated people and loved trees. I also notice that it is just a couple of pages out of an entire text. ------------------------- ... |
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08/15/2009 03:25 PM
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Another Obama czar/tool/foot soldier/leftist/socialist. Suprise!
------------------------- "I could be somewhere else! I don't get any extra pay I don't have any requirement to be here!" ---Democratic Congressman at Town Hall Meeting |
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12/23/2018 08:12 AM
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You read and hear so many of the "pro-wall" people arguing on economic grounds, that we just don't have enough resources to accommodate all the people migrating from "shithole" countries. It will wreck our standard of living to have the dregs come here taking all the jobs and working for nothing and driving down wages.
------------------------- ... Edited: 12/23/2018 at 08:18 AM by scombrid |
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12/23/2018 08:16 AM
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Those same people have shouted from the roof tops that John Holdren, Paul Erlich, and all the other economists and ecologists like them are evil. Mischaracterizing hyperbole of the argument in the opening of this thread aside; the gist is that the anti-migrant people have in the past denigrated any ecologist or economist that dares argue that the world cannot sustain billions of people living the high life.
------------------------- ... Edited: 12/23/2018 at 08:21 AM by scombrid |
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12/23/2018 08:16 AM
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You can't have it both ways guys.
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12/23/2018 08:24 AM
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Scom you nailed it. This is now just a series of pseudonym trolls circle jerking around their anger at a straw man.
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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