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Topic Title: Will we ever acheive 'herd immunity'? How much longer? Topic Summary: With many refusing to take the vaccine, will we ever get back to 'life as usual'? Created On: 04/19/2021 06:25 AM |
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Sad note #1 is that it's time to put Cole on ignore because it's the only way to keep EffGay off my screen. You thread hijackers should take it to the Fishing forum.
I think that asymptomatic spread is basically bullshit. People who have been vaccinated are only wearing masks for the fun of it. I think it was pretty well documented early on that asymptomatic spread among unvaccinated people played a huge role in the pandemic. Is that still in question in your mind? Vaccinated folks who get reinfected are discussed in this article: Compared to an unvaccinated COVID-19 patient, a vaccinated person who nevertheless becomes infected with the coronavirus has a much lower risk of transmitting the virus to household members, a large UK study found. Researchers at Public Health England studied more than 365,000 households with a first COVID-19 infection, including more than 24,000 households in which the so called "index case" of COVID-19 was someone who had received at least one dose of either the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine or the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine. When the first dose had been given at least 21 days previously - as was the case in 4,107 of the households studied - the risk of virus transmission from vaccinated individuals to their household members was 40% to 50% lower than the risk of transmission from COVID-19 patients who had not been vaccinated, the researchers found. The effects were similar for both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines and started to become evident around 14 days after the first dose, according to a report posted ahead of peer review on Knowledge Hub. Along with the vaccines' success at preventing infections and reducing the severity of infections that do occur, the new findings show they are "associated with reduced likelihood of household transmission ... highlighting important wider benefits to close contacts," the authors conclude. (https://bit.ly/3nMeOmx; https://reut.rs/3vANf2a) If a vaccinated person is infected but asymptomatic, he is probably carrying a lower total viral load because his antibodies are knocking down some of the virus' attempts to replicate. He is not being a nice host, and thus has fewer viral particles he can spew out to others. But, while 50% is a nice and significant number, if it means you only risk spreading it to 2 household members instead of 4, that's still a pretty good case for wearing masks indoors in close quarters if other unvaccinated or at-risk people are present. FWIW, my entire immediate family has already had COVID (very mild cases) and gotten vaccinated afterward, but we still have no objection to wearing masks indoors at businesses and restaurants. My only exception so far has been at the gym (where almost everyone is unmasked... ) . I hit the treadmill w/o a mask for the first time earlier this week when nobody else was there, and I felt like friggin' Usain Bolt. |
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