What's the reason a two loss Iowa State Jumped undefeated Cinci this week?

College Football Playoff Rankings -- Dec. 8
1. Alabama (9-0)
2. Notre Dame (10-0)
3. Clemson (9-1)
4. Ohio State (5-0)
5. Texas A&M (7-1)
6. Florida (8-1)
7. Iowa State (8-2)
8. Cincinnati (8-0)
9. Georgia (6-2)
10. Miami (8-1)

The top 3 are solid. Ohio St has only played 5 games.

All that matters is the top 4.

I would also question these 3:

7. Iowa State (8-2)
8. Cincinnati (8-0)
9. Georgia (6-2)

I'm a Cane fan of course. I dont care where we are are ranked. Wins are all that matter.
So if we win out and the only loss we have is to Clemson, will see what that brings.

( Iowa State, really? Cincy is suspect also )

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Cinci has a pretty good defense to keep them in games and a really good offense. Plus, undefeated should mean something. Not easy thing to do.

Cinci dropped one spot and got leaped frog by Iowa State with two losses. I don't think that is fair. But, college football is subjective. The team uniform is more important than the actual team. Whatev...just trying to get into the final week's game.

UCF accepted a bowl bid for Boca Bowl, Tue, Dec 22nd. I'll prob go to that. No other team decided yet. But, who cares. Its football in a off weird year. I went to the UCF Cinci game a couple weeks ago. Cinci looked pretty good and knocked off a pretty good UCF team. But, the pollsters like Iowa State better. A two loss Iowa State team.

In the Coach and AP poll Iowa State is #10 & #11. Yet in CFP they leap frog Cinci to #7. Amazing lack of respect for Cinci.

I guess losing to the Ragin Cagins of Louisiana was a quality loss for Iowa State. Cinci, no blemishes and look really good.

What is the CFP looking at that the AP and Coaches aren't?

The Selection Committee Makes It Clear: There's Never Room for a Non - Power 5 Team in the Playoff
By ranking Iowa State ahead of Cincinnati and 12 spots above Louisiana - a team the Cyclones lost to - there's no doubting how the committee feels.

https://www.si.com/college/202...mittee-rankings-debate

Just scored a couple of tix for the Boca Bowl. UCF vs The World! Go Knights.

Nice score on the tix! Id say the disrespect for Miami is at an all time high. One loss to Clemson on the road. A couple close wins but half the roster had covid. They throw Cinci and a two loss Iowa state in front of us? Georgia can kick rocks too! Big Ten doing everything possible to get the Fuckeyes in... I hope Northwestern kicks their asses back to Columbus. Rules are rules. You don't make them to change them. Indiana should be playing in that game and it pisses me off so bad

How in the world did they get ranked 4th with only playing 5 games? Something aint right in the coolaide!

LBLARRY, according to your theory, Iowa State lost to LOUISIANA RAGIN CAJUNS...a nobody...At home by a lot. Why are they deserving?

Coastal Carolina may very well be worthy of #3. I haven't watched them yet. But unlike you I don't prescribe to the team jersey name makes you a better team. I determine on the field results. Two losses...in the top ten...and leap frog who was at #7 all year and is undefeated and rated one of the top teams in defense and offense? Plus, have you seen Tulsa play? This has been their year. I was NOT expecting them to beat UCF but they came out of nowhere and are playing great. They have scholarship players just like the Yuckeyes do. Why to disqualify just because it's 'Tulsa'. This is what is wrong with college football. Yahoo's like you who have a vested interested can just 'bleh' a team because of their perception.

But, again Whatev...it makes for interesting arguments. No other sport does a room fool of biased people get to choose who gets to play. Sooner or later the NCAA cartel will be busted open.

One case in point is 2013 UCF. By chance, when UCF moved to the Big East it had only one year that it was considered to be a BCS team. Just one year. What did UCF do ? Embarrassed undefeated Big12 champ Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl. The next year, UCF conference was no longer BCS conf. Now UCF isn't any good for some reason and not worthy. Its so stupid it makes me want to crawl my eyes out. LET THEM PLAY! If you qualify for Div 1 football every team should have a level playing field.

This is why I 100 percent backed 2017 UCF National Champion claims. Glad to be part of changing the college football culture. Undefeated and undisputed. Bama didn't even win it's conference, got beat by Auburn who UCF beat a couple weeks later... but somehow wins the INvitiational championship that year. Bama got to rest up by skipping the SEC conference game, while Georgia got beat up by Auburn. Preferential treatment...UCF had the better team and proved it on the field.

Notre Dame really gets preferential treatment,....

Extra Points: Is ACC bending over backward to protect Notre Dame, ensure 2 Playoff teams?
https://www.saturdaydownsouth....nsure-2-playoff-teams/

Dude ... I have fucking forgot more about college football than you will ever know. You are just some Johnny Come Lately that started paying attention when UCF became respectable. I will remind you once again that the reason that I won the 2nd light "Bowl Pick'en" contest several years IN A ROW, was not fucking luck.

To accuse me of "having a vested interest" is fucking rich coming from you .... one of the most blindly loyal "fans" in the known and charted world!! I fully know that your entire defense of the wins&losses number is the only fucking thing that should be considered in "rankings" is all because of the beloved UCF. Fortunately, people that have clearer vision, more knowledge, and more objective criteria make those decisions



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"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

Edited: 12/11/2020 at 02:48 PM by LBLarry

What the CFP thinks is that Iowa St's schedule is MUCH harder than Cini's and their wins over OU, Texas and WVA are MUCH more impressive than Cini's unbeaten record over pretty much nobody ..... and yes Tulsa is a nobody.

Hell CentroDavo ..... using your logic Coastal Carolina should be ranked about No 3.

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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

Edited: 12/10/2020 at 05:55 PM by LBLarry

Coastal Carolinas game last week was the best game of week.

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good game? .... yes I agree
CC ranked #3 because they are "undefeated" .... oh hell no.




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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

LBLarry Are you on Through The Smoke CBS 247 Sports forum board??

No, I am not.



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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

It's just Dave's annual rant. Until UCF is rated no. 1 every single year, we can expect to be subjected to it. Like the fatman's deluded and irrational supporters, there is no use providing him with facts. He is living in La-La land and will never leave. Don't take the bait.

"I'll tell you who should be really pissed off - Miami," another ACC coach told me. "Are you kidding me? Miami has 1 loss. What if Clemson loses to Tech or in that (Dec.12) week? Sure, it's rare, but we've seen stranger things. We have no idea who is going to get hurt, how many turnovers a team is giving away. You're telling Miami 2 weeks before the end of the season to go jump in a lake. We don't care about you. That's a big, big deal. If I were (Miami coach) Manny (Diaz), I'd be screaming from the mountaintops how this goes against everything we stand for in athletic competition."

Should Iowa State really be on the fringes of the College Football Playoff race?

https://www.espn.com/college-f...-football-playoff-race

Who cares? Go Gators!

LOL. Johnny come lately. Like it. Thanks for making me feel young.

I can remember sitting in THE Ohio State University Horseshoe stadium in 1970 watching the yuckeyes. Then, living in Montgomery being a Bama football fan, 1975ish. Then, 1985, freshman year, watching div 2 UCF in the Citrus bowl. Yeah. Young whipper snapper I am. Watching UCF sleeping giant all the way to now. Then seeing college football powers-to-be deny UCF any chance. Thus, yes, I like the little guy. I like the story of a team building itself and being successful. Not a blue blood team. Try pulling for a team like me instead of just going with the name on the jersey. Tulsa a nobody? Tulsa has been playing football since 1895. Where have YOU been? Catch up...

I'll be here next year for next year's wtf are the college polls thinking rant. Just like forever in college football.

Go Knights!

I think I hear the sound of LBLARRY"S head exploding...A NOBODY...

Coastal Carolina Chanticleers break into top 10 of AP poll

AP Top 25 poll

1. Alabama (62)
2. Notre Dame
3. Ohio State
4. Clemson
5. Texas A&M
6. Cincinnati
7. Indiana
8. Iowa State
9. Coastal Carolina
10. Georgia
11. Florida
12. Oklahoma
13. USC
14. BYU
15. Northwestern
16. North Carolina
17. Louisiana-Lafayette
18. Iowa
19. Miami
20. Tulsa
21. Texas
22. Liberty
23. Buffalo
24. NC State
25. San Jose State

Others receiving votes: Oklahoma State 83, Marshall 47, Boise State 12, UCF 11, Army 9, Washington 9, Auburn 8, TCU 3, Appalachian State 1

Dropped from rankings: Colorado 21, Wisconsin 25

Larry, that is hands down the absolute best most perfect rant we have ever had on this forum. LOL gets tossed around a lot but I literally laughed out loud. Thank you sir. Thank you.

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The sec championship will be an ugly blowout. He who plays the fewest games reaps the highest rewards.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Welp I'm eating CROW... Thought Miami turned the corner finally and would finish the season on a great note.... Ha-ha foolish me again

I watched that game. They never really got going. It's a strange year.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

UCF vs BYU in bowl game. Should be interesting game. Just read up on them. Although they lost to Coastal Carolina, A NOBODY, they are 10-1 with a really good Qb and offense. Their defense is really good to. UCF has some top players sitting out due to trying for NFL. Home field advantage for UCF but the better team is BYU.

Dave is already laying the table - to paraphrase - if UCF beats BYU, they should be Natl Champ. BYU is the better team (even if they lost to a nobody), so a win by UCF is a HUGE upset. If Bama loses, the table is laid for UCF's second NC.

Well, earlier in the year UCF was ranked #11 (pre 3 game losses). BYU was sneaking up there as well. So, yes, if UCF beats BYU by more points than Coastal Carolina beat them AND, Coastal Carolina stays undefeated thru bowl season (and, they claim the NC)...Then, UCF wins National Championship. and/or, if Bama loses.

Pretzel logic, but, at least you are consistent year to year.

Is it NDs year this year?, unfortunately NO, another blowout coming for them, perhaps as early as this Saturday.

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Thanks. Why not? Why does a board room of people get to determine who gets to play in a championship game? I have an subjective opinion just as much as anyone else does. I want to see my team in the top...Just like you...or anyone else. Why you jest my opinion instead of the one's making the decisions. They are subjective. A school president or an Athletic Director well always lean on their on self interest. I do, they do, we all do...I say expand the playoffs and let other teams in. Let a cinderalla team in (Yes that can happen in college football)...as you never know...like a 2017 UCF team that deserved it. Or, even the 2018 undefeated UCF team that got shunned again. Now, Undefeated Cinci. They can compete, but no chance with who is picking the teams.

College Football Playoff committee has a vested interest in keeping their teams in the top rankings. Glad you guys see that.

Look at the Gators for example. Who would have thought LSU would have beat them? Take your subjective eyeglasses off and let them settle it on the field.

Ok, enough! Back to the topic at hand: Yeah for Pretzel logic and letting a 2 loss Iowa State team leapfrog an undefeated Cinci team.

CFL - Everything you say is true. As I have said to everyone at every opportunity, the effort to crown a "true" objective NC in Div I football is, not only unfair to many potentially worthy teams, it is a fool's errand. It is purely and simply a money grub. The old bowl system was much fairer and left people far happier at the end of the year. This system is garbage.

1) People are no longer happy when their team has a great season and goes to their conference tie-in bowl as conference champion. It used to be a big deal to win the SEC and go to the Sugar, or the Big 10/Pac 8 and go to the Rose, or the Big 8 and go to the Orange, or even the "lesser" conferences with their tie-ins (like the ACC and Peach, hahaha). Now most teams and fans (such as you, Dave) are pissed at the end of the season;
2)Nobody watches or cares about the bowls anymore. They (and really only their fans) only care about the BCS bowls and the only people who watch the entire games are fans of the teams in them or crazy people who don't have to go to work the next day;
3) NY Day used to be a big deal with an orgy of football, food and craziness, switching from game to game, drinking, laughing, jawing, etc with family and friends. You got up early, made the snacks (Hoppin' John reqd), got ready for the games and watched football for 12 straight hours, switching back and forth between games. Then you went to work and relived them the next day. Now you watch a few parts of a few games alone and nobody really gives a crap.
4) When there were multiple no. 1s after the bowls (UPI and AP, but, there came and went a few others), it was a good thing. Two teams were now happy having won the NC and it gave us something to argue (good naturedly) about the next day at work (and, really, for the next few months). AND, did I say it - we were HAPPY!

Bottom line - football used to be fun, not aggravating, for most people. This system SUCKS, but, because of the number of teams, there is nothing that would be fairer. If they went to 8 teams, no. 9 would be pissed. It took B-ball expanding the NCAAs from 8 teams to 72 and STILL teams are rightly pissed. After all, what is the real difference between team 24 and team 25 or team 72 and team 73 or team 310 and team 311?? NOTHING. I know I'm pissing up a rope, but we should go back to the old bowl system and have FUN not anger.

Tonight's rankings. Cinci drops another notch to #9.

1 Alabama 10-0
2 Notre Dame 10-0
3 Clemson 9-1
4 Ohio State 5-0
5 Texas A&M 7-1
6 Iowa State 8-2
7 Florida 8-2
8 Georgia 7-2
9 Cincinnati 8-0
10 Oklahoma 7-2




Edited: 12/16/2020 at 05:37 PM by Central Floridave

CFP rankings debacle makes it clear: It's their party and they'll snub who they want to

https://www.sportingnews.com/u...tam657mjs1tgolg3rbndip

Upcoming games:

Friday dec 18
UAB at Marshall 7pm CBSSN
Ball State vs Buffalo 7:30pm ESPN
Nebraska at Rutgers 7:30pm BTN
Oregon at #13 USC 8pm FOX

Saturday Dec 19
#14 Northwestern vs #4 Ohio State Noon FOX
#5 Texas A&M at Tennessee Noon ESPN
#10 Oklahoma vs #6 Iowa State Noon ABC
FSU at Wake Forest Noon ACCN
#3 Clemson vs #2 Notre Dame 4pm ABC
#1 Alabama vs #7 Florida 8pm CBS
#23 Tulsa at #9 Cincinnati 8pm ABC

there are other games but those what standout.

Wow, Big 10 and Big 12 Championships (both between two ranked teams) at noon. Right up there with Wake/F$U. What a snub.

This thread is by far the funniest one going on the forum right now.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

FSU/Wake cancelled due to covid. Like anyone would be watching anyway!

Florida State at Wake Forest has been canceled because FSU has an insufficient number of available offensive linemen after positive Covid-19 tests and contact tracing.

UF doesn't deserve a top ten spot.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Merry Christmas: The College Football Playoff Committee got you a stocking full of lies
Why even try?
https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2...-stocking-full-of-lies

Edited: 12/19/2020 at 02:55 AM by Central Floridave

Merry Christmas: The College Football Playoff Committee got you a stocking full of lies
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Why even try?

By Erik Evans Dec 18, 2020

Opponent's aggregate W-L record 16-26. An average opponent record of 3-5. One ranked foe - and the only win over a team with a winning record, by 7 points. Five total games played. A season that began a week before Halloween, two full months after the rest of the country began play. One ad hoc fixed vote to permit a conference championship appearance. And a lot of institutional pull.

That is Ohio State's resume. That is the team that CFP has declared is the 4th best in all the land.

The fix is in.

There is simply no other way to describe the College Football Playoff Committee's most recent baffling series of rankings, one where a Cincinnati team is flat-out ignored. A body of work where CU has looked like a transcendent Group of 5 team beating three then-ranked Top 25 teams; a body of work which boasts an overall 8-0 record over the nation's 14th toughest schedule.

It is a grimy window through which we peer at Clemson's 17th-place schedule and its 1-1 record against ranked teams and its one loss, and have decided that such work is exalted above the Bearcats. It is through this darkest of looking glasses that a 34th-ranked ISU schedule - the Cyclones of two losses and a 17-point home beatdown at the hands of a Sun Belt team - is considered to be of more quality than that which Luke Fickell's squad has accomplished.

This says nothing of how good the Sun Belt was this year - where four teams were or are currently ranked in the Top 25; where the conference went 3-0 against the Big 12 on the road in Week One; where the Conference winner beat three ranked teams, including No. 7 BYU; where the SBC runner-up smacked around the Committee's 2-loss golden child, the Iowa State Cyclones. But, I ask: whence Coastal Carolina?

It's not about competitiveness. Everyone know what a Midmajor can do. Ask Alabama. Ask Oklahoma (a few times, on that account). Ask Auburn if they want to see UCF again, or if Penn State wants to tussle with Memphis on a neutral field, or if Iowa State wants to be bullied up front by directional Louisiana again - much less by a team that's even better than the Cajuns?

It is none of those things.

No, it is instead a foul, corrupt cash grab by the Power 5, where the name on your jersey and the named placard on committee members' chairs, means a helluva lot more than what a team does on the field.
This was the Black Swan year that would have permitted us to engage in a frank discussion of whether a conference runner-up, or a team that didn't even win its division, was truly more worthy of an outstanding midmajor that ran the table against quality teams. And we did not even begin to have that discussion.

Instead, what we got from the CFP Committee weren't merely indigenous justifications, they were outright fabrications.

In dropping Florida just one spot for losing at home a 2-5 team, we were told that UF being without Kyle Pitts was the decider - as though a Tight End gave up 37 points to the LSU Tigers - the second-most points scored by LSU all season.

In elevating Georgia above Cincinnati for a routine win over a 4-loss Mizzou team, we were told to ignore that Georgia had no quality wins, and lost to the only ranked teams they played. And that, despite the secondary getting lit up like a Christmas tree against quality teams, somehow it was the now-settled nature of UGA's quarterbacking that we should focus on

Of course, to obviate that boo-boo of no wins over Top 25 teams, we were told that 5-4 Mizzou was actually a ranked team, so Georgia's SOS is pretty good after all! (Of course, that requires ranking Mizzou to get there...which the Committee obliged!)

We were told that Florida, which has faced two teams from the West and lost both, is somehow worth of playing for a national title. In a sane world, this squad isn't worth playing for an SEC title.

We were told that Iowa State's qualifications for being exalted were "they're leading the Big 12." Which means exactly what, Gary? They're the best of two teams in the flyover with two-losses (everyone else having at least three?)
All these and more: They're lies.

The AAC is furious, and they have every right to be. Fans have even more of a right to be angry. No one likes to have their leg pissed on and be told it's raining, and no one likes liars.

But, to a person, the members of the College Football Playoff Committee are just that - liars. Worse, they think we're credulous fools that will swallow their lies in silence as they represent an increasingly-meritless system that grabs increasingly larger sums of cash to distribute to a smaller and smaller slice of the College Football population. A system that, in fact, locks out half of its members before the games are even played.

If I am Cincinnati, I see absolutely no reason to play this week. The SBC has already called off its championship game (ostensibly for the 'Rona, but who knows?) And, hey, why not? If the Committee wants to do what it was always going to do, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for any of us to give them the benefit of the doubt, or the Group of 5 to give Gary Barta, or any other of these rogues, political cover.

The jig is up, Gary. Either do your job better or lie better.

I was always threatened with coal in my stocking for being naughty at Christmas. And as disappointing as that may be, I'll still take that over the sack full of manure you put under the tree this year.

GO BACK TO THE OLD BOWL SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The shoe must go on! Step on up and have some sole, johnny!

I think the solution is to expand the playoff and do it like Div-1AA FCS teams do. Or, make it an absolute requirement that you have to win your conference to get in then maybe an at-large team (like a wild-card). The College Football Playoff is protectionism at it's finest. I get it, ESPN wants ratings. An Ohio State vs Notre Dame is going to get more eyeballs than a Coastal Carolina vs Iowa Who? But, it really is not fair for the other schools that compete and are striving to improve.

Also, it is important to note that the College Football Playoff and all the bowl games are owned by ESPN and NOT the NCAA. Thus, this is what we have. A corporation making decisions on what is best for the bottom line rather than what is fair and balanced.

Imagine if the NFL had this playoff model? The Cowboys would be in the superbowl every year because they have the most fans.

With that said, where is LBLARRY? Did his head really explode from Coastal Carolina in AP top ten.

fyi, Northwestern Qb Peyten Ramsey is my cousin first removed or something like that. Thus, pulling for NW to beat the yuckeyes. Although, my dad played for Woodie Hayes as a RB back in his college days. I am not a ohio state fan. Pulling for the underdawgs today (other than Tulsa).

Go Gators, Go Northwestern, Go Cinci.

Glad to go see a live game Tuesday night down in Boca. UCF vs BYU.

This has been a messed up year for sure. A throw away year. Early signing day was this past week. UCF looked to have done pretty good on signing some JUCOS and incomming freshman. We got a hot Qb from Arizona that is undefeated in his two year high school career. Should be interesting.

So for CFP chaos, want Gators, Vols, NW, Oklahoma, Cinci to win. Why is Clemson and NOtre Dame playing again. ND won first time.

Also, Oregon beat undefeated USC last night to win Pac12. Nebraska beat Rutgers last night as well.

Saturday Dec 19
#14 Northwestern vs #4 Ohio State Noon FOX
#5 Texas A&M at Tennessee Noon ESPN
#10 Oklahoma vs #6 Iowa State Noon ABC

#3 Clemson vs #2 Notre Dame 4pm ABC
#1 Alabama vs #7 Florida 8pm CBS
#23 Tulsa at #9 Cincinnati 8pm ABC

Edited: 12/19/2020 at 05:20 AM by Central Floridave

Oklahoma just put Iowa State in their place.
Ohio State was trailing NW in 3rd qtr, but pulled it out.
I expect ND to get carted off the field in body bags if Clemson is healthy, but they will magically remain in the top 4.

As far as conference love and pedigree-philia go, UCF not only beat Baylor and Auburn in previous bowls, they made a better showing on the road against Joe Burrow's LSU bowl team in 2018 than #6 UF did at home against a 3-5 team. Florida not falling below 7 escapes me.

It seems like a shrewd lawyer could make some sort of anti-trust argument against ESPN Bowls, Inc... or maybe a discrimination suit that financial benefits from bowl wins and subsequent exposure should be made more fairly available to all (state schools and private, regardless of conference). Unfortunately, the biggest and most powerful groups of lawyer alums are those from the schools already getting the preferential treatment.

An 8-team playoff is certainly feasible, and infinitely more fair than the 4-team arrangement. The claim that #9 will claim unfairness has a lot less legitimacy than similar claims made by the currently excluded #5-8 teams.

Rant over.

go away mike. thankx

Every suggested solution brings additional problems. Limit to conference champs? What if the Gators had beaten Bama last night? That's the reason basketball went from 8 to 16, then 32, then 64, then 72. Some nobody beat consensus no. 1 (and undefeated) UNC in the ACC conf championship finals. Move it to 8 teams? How is no. 8 two loss Gawja more deserving than undefeated (no. 9) Cinncinati? Also, the season becomes too long for "students" with finals, etc and it could come at the expense of traditional rivals at the end of the season. What happens to Mich/OSU, UF/F$U, etc? There are far too many problems and still you would not come up with a true champion. Just go back to the old bowl system. You young guys weren't around then, but, it was far, far more satisfying and entertaining and it MEANT SOMETHING to be a conf champ and bowl champ. We weren't perpetually pissed off at the "unfairness of it all". WE WERE HAPPIER THEN. Who REALLY gives two shits whether we have a "true" no. 1? It isn't even possible.

Ooops, please amend the following statement from my previous post. Don't want to tick Dave off.

"Move it to 8 teams? How is no. 8 two loss Gawja more deserving than undefeated (no. 9) Cinncinati or 5 loss UCF?

I've watched every incarnation of college football since the mid-70's, so I've seen a lot. The old AP vs Coaches polls produced 11 split champions between 1954 and 2003. In the old bowl format, and with certain bowls always being reserved for a regional conference winner, you didn't get the two best teams together often enough.

Even the proposals now for an 8-team playoff are still talking about giving 5 slots to the P5 conference champions, 1 slot to the highest-ranked G5 champ, and two wild cards. The conference tie-ins remain the bucket of horseshit, because any given conference might suck in a given year. They need to make an 8-team playoff of the best 8 teams, period, regardless of conference. Base the rankings on a majority of analytics, with minimal room for human bias. The odds of a finals victory get exponentially farther apart for teams 5-8, to the point where #9's chance is rarely significant enough to justify adding yet another week to the schedule. 3 weeks among 8 teams is the sweet spot.

Who cares if we have split champions? Twice as many happy people. My point is that no matter what you do, you will end up with an argument and most fans pissed off at the lack of consideration for their team. I would disagree with your point about the two best not getting together often enough. First, who are the "best two teams" and who determines them? The old bowls were usually good games, people were happy to be there and the fans had a great time on NY Day whether in front of a TV or at the game. And, you had champions - Rose, Sugar, Orange, Peach, etc to proclaim and revel in. Now, people don't even watch them, the "championship" games are on too late (just like the World Series) and only the gamblers and fans of those two teams give a rat's ass. Everybody else watches a quarter and goes to bed (again, pissed off). Who cares if we have a "real" champion? We never have and never will. This is just a money grub and a means of making most fans pissed off.

Alabama Crimson Tide, Clemson Tigers, Ohio State Buckeyes, Notre Dame Fighting Irish to play in CFP semifinals

Yeah for a possible 3rd time Clemson and Notre Dame could play this year. *YAWN*

Even ESPN is questioning the logic:

College Football Playoff 2020: The committee remains disappointingly predictable

Welcome once again to the Alabama-Clemson College Football Playoff invitational, where it hardly seems to matter who earned the "right" to take on the two clear favorites to make the national championship game.



https://www.espn.com/college-f...pointingly-predictable

from espn article above and NO I didn't write this, but could have!

There is no respect and never has been. Look at how the committee treated undefeated UCF in 2017. The Knights, the only undefeated team that year, finished 12th overall in the final rankings behind five two-loss teams and one three-loss team. It's no wonder they declared themselves national champions. There was no way the power structure would let them prove it legitimately. The following year, after another undefeated regular-season run, UCF was ranked eighth -- but only behind two two-loss teams that time!

All this stuff about the "totality of the resume" is bullshit. They used to always say they were picking the best teams at the end of the year, because that's who would be playing in a bowl game or tourney. Notre Dame getting credit for a "big" win over Clemson mid-season, when Trevor Lawrence didn't play, is also bullshit. Their performance last weekend should have thrown that resume into a second-tier bowl game wastebasket.

I hate seeing these end-of-season rematches. A split between regular season and tourney final only clouds the result more. Suppose Team A beat Team B in the finals, but Team B's victory over Team A in the regular season was much more dominant: How does that compare on the "totality of resume" scale?

Clemson coach Dabo Swinney just voted Ohio State #12 in the coaches' poll. Part of that is because the "totality of their resume" only includes 6 games.

Bottom line: You win a championship tournament, you are undisputed champ; you don't, you aren't.

Which leads me to the subject of undefeated teams: There might be an absolute, undisputed, unanimous #1 team in every poll at the end of the season. That team definitely earned the chance to be knocked off by somebody. But screw the rematches. Any other team that played a full season, won a conference championship, and remains undefeated deserves a shot at knocking off #1. Typically that might not be more than 3-4 teams in a given year, but with an 8-team playoff, that still leaves room for the Undisputed #1 to take on all reasonable comers -- like 4 other undefeated minors and 3 more of the biggest and best who haven't already blown their shot being previously defeated by the current #1.

What I see when CentoDavo posts his annual bowl rant:

blah, blah, blah,

We need an actual playoff ......... to that, I agree

blah, blah, blah

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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

Edited: 12/21/2020 at 02:47 PM by LBLarry

Blah Blah Blah...Look for me on Tv tonight. I'm bringing my UCF National Champ flag and will be wearing a black and gold wig. Surely ESPN will put the camera on me at some point....just to make LBLARRY's head explode....blah blah blah

UCF Can Make Waves In 2020 Boca Raton Bowl

By Kyle Nash December 20, 2020

https://www.the3pointconversio...T6sKv_iRzBzFw5pmgWzG9U

blah blah blah

recruit a defense

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recruit an offensive line

blah blah blah

thank byu for not running up the score

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what. an. embarrassment.

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(Credit to BYU, they outmanned and outplayed UCF at every position.)

College football is a joke. The boys are giving their concussed brains so that the NCAA and colleges can make their money. They should be busted as a monopoly under federal antitrust laws. It is an embarrassment Mr Flush.

The pros are worth watching.

Edited: 12/23/2020 at 11:29 AM by Greensleeves

You won't get to the pros w/o going thru college first (duh). I don't mind reimbursing college athletes fairly, but you can argue that 5 years of free education (even for benchwarmers and punters) is a pretty good reimbursement, as well as a lifetime investment in those who won't be giving up their brains every Sunday. Not sure where to draw the line or divvy up the money that flows in.

Of course you won't get to the pros without college, ergo the monopoly comment. The NFL is complicit of course. The scholarship is the joke, chump change and why boosters have to sweeten the pot or risk not getting the good kids.

Graduation rates aren't the best of course and only a small group even make it to the big dance.

Manziel got in trouble for selling autographs. give me a break.

Graduation rates

And from the article:

"Meanwhile, at the top level, universities make tens of millions in revenue from their college football programs. The most recent data shows Clemson's football revenue in 2017 totaled $612,117.61 per each of its 85 scholarship players, while LSU's revenue exceeded $1 million per scholarship player."

scammed

Edited: 12/23/2020 at 12:00 PM by Greensleeves

That was the worst UCF game of all time. sitting in the stands and no point did we have a chance to even stand up and cheer. It was over the first BYU snap.

To make excuses, UCF defense was depleted. Our #1 DB Richie Grant was sitting out for the NFL. Which sucks.

Some soul searching going on as UCF football fans and players. Sorry that was a really bad showcase of football. We left in the mid-3rd quarter. Enough was enough.

on another note, FAU stadium is pretty nice. Easy to get in and out of.

Like mentioned somewhere earlier, players sitting out for the NFL for the final games really hurt the team. Individually it's great for the player to sit out and not risk injury due to potential money making...but overall, its hurting college football.


"The table was set for a tough night for the Knights' defense before the ball was even snapped. Over and above the fact that the Cougars have a Heisman Trophy candidate under center in Zach Wilson, UCF was down five starters on defense, not to mention the personnel issues that unit has faced thorough the year. This included Otis Thrope Trophy finalist, Richie Grant at safety, defensive backs Aaron Robinson and Derek Gainous, as well as Landon Woodson and Stephon Zayas in the trenches."

UCF's 49-23 Boca Beating Could Damage The Program Long Term
By Kyle Nash December 23, 2020

https://www.the3pointconversio...Dy_8rX60iWIlCZrBJR9DKc

I was rooting for you but their touchdowns were always too little too late. That targeting call early on your defender didn't help. It's not soul searching, it's just picking yourself up, dusting yourself off and playing more football. UCF needs to recruit a lot better a lot closer. They are still having the growing pains that started with Blake Bortles. Getting bigger and better is a blessing and a curse. Once it's started, there is no going back and the expectations don't get any lower. UCF will now have to keep up with the Jones's and every dirty thing that comes with that. Their little bounce house will be replaced again once they graduate again to the next level. It's sad to see a great little team become a mediocre big team.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Thanks. All teams go thru ups and downs. UCF is a little fish swimming in a big ocean. Glad they made a dent.

But, that was THE worst UCF game over. Embarrassing. How can I win internet forum arguments with that?!?

I can't.

Heisman final four announced. Two Bama players, Clemson, Gator. IDK, that BYU Qb was pretty good.

I'd give it to Trevor Lawrence though. He is the best. I'll follow him in the NFL.

I will cut you some Christmas slack.




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"Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell


"Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.


If I do not answer you .... nothing personal, I just have you on ignore.

I'm obviously prejudiced, but, I would vote for Trask as he did the most with the least support. He had no running game, was under a pass rush/pressured most of the time and his receivers (except Pitts who missed two games and Toney who only emerged late in the season) were well covered most of the time. His stats were as high as anyone's even with the lack of support. And, his story is amazing - non starter in HS, pretty much unrecruited, sat on the bench until Franks' season ending injury and then KABOOM, Heisman candidate.

Poor Trevor Lawrence...JAGS secure first round pick...