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Topic Summary: History Repeating?
Created On: 03/06/2019 09:14 AM
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 The Bolsheviks are Here   - Zeus - 03/06/2019 09:14 AM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - tpapablo - 03/06/2019 10:51 AM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - theglide - 03/06/2019 12:04 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - tpapablo - 03/06/2019 12:27 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - Cole - 03/06/2019 12:41 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - nukeh2o - 03/06/2019 01:08 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - Sniper - 03/06/2019 01:37 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - Cole - 03/06/2019 01:44 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - wbsponger - 03/06/2019 02:05 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - Sniper - 03/06/2019 02:25 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - johnnyboy - 03/06/2019 12:09 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - RustyTruck - 03/06/2019 12:52 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - tpapablo - 03/06/2019 02:23 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - 3rdworldlover - 03/06/2019 02:23 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - fishkller - 03/06/2019 03:33 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - nukeh2o - 03/06/2019 04:31 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - theglide - 03/06/2019 04:33 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - RustyTruck - 03/06/2019 04:50 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - johnnyboy - 03/06/2019 05:06 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - 3rdworldlover - 03/06/2019 05:32 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - 3rdworldlover - 03/06/2019 07:36 PM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - Sniper - 03/07/2019 05:47 AM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - 3rdworldlover - 03/07/2019 06:18 AM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - 3rdworldlover - 03/07/2019 06:27 AM  
 The Bolsheviks are Here   - 3rdworldlover - 03/07/2019 07:14 AM  
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Zeus

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2019 in the US is all the sudden starting to look way too much like 1917 Russia, with Vladimir-Ocasio-Lenin playing the Bolshevik lead roll. If you don't know Russian Revolution history, now would be a good time to study it before this country reaches the tipping point where we can't help but repeat it. Because if we do, we're historically only about 3 years from our very own Joseph Stalin. I don't think even the farthest left progressive wants that. Do you?
 03/06/2019 10:51 AM
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That's exactly what they want. Not our garden variety progs here. They are assuming that for the first time in history a socialist take over would be different and that paradise will be at hand. They are merely the useful idiots that Lenin spoke of. But those at the top want to be our Stalin and have every intention of being one. The problem is that we have a Constitution that forbids the taking private property without paying for it. So, that would stop socialism here in its tracks. Thus, they will have to proclaim a dictatorship to get rid of the Constitution. Venezuela would be the better example. That's exactly what they did there and what they want to do here.

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 03/06/2019 12:04 PM
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Medical coverage and raising the minimum wage is Joseph Stalin, yet you see no parallel with what's going on now and Italy's Benito Mussolini?

Please..........................



 03/06/2019 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by: theglide Medical coverage and raising the minimum wage is Joseph Stalin, yet you see no parallel with what's going on now and Italy's Benito Mussolini? Please..........................
That's not socialism. By its definition, socialism entails the state seizing the means of production. I assume that this is what the socialists want. And, no, I see absolutely no parallel between the U.S. now and italy back in the 1920's. Zero. As of yet, Trump has not formed a secret police, outlawed opposition parties or done away with the constitution.

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 03/06/2019 12:41 PM
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Trump is the closest thing the US has ever had to a dictator.

Two hour ranting speeches, desires for a state news service, division through fear and intimidation, purposeful leaks to dictate the narrative, attacks on our allies, closed door meetings with autocrats, funding from oligarchs, attacks on the judiciary, questioning voter security, self rule through memo and executive order.

No, we don't need history books, you need to look into the mirror at the person that elected this Banana Republic kook.

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 03/06/2019 01:08 PM
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Yep, they're here alright. They live in chump branded properties in sunny isles beach and new york City, aka little moscows.
Two of fat mcdonnie's 3 bimbo wives are native speakers of russian.
They contribute laundered money to, and have memberships in: the current traitorous version of the once proud nra
These two goober chumpgoons have about as much knowledge of the disgraced homophobic homosexual drug addicted lying failure of a senator named Joseph McCarthy as they do the Russian revolution.
They wouldn't know an actual Bolshevik from a gerbil enema.
duhh

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 03/06/2019 01:37 PM
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Sniper

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About damn time Trump starts slow-walking and stalling at every opportunity.

Enough is enough.

This isn't soviet Russia. In America, we investigate crimes, not people. You accuse someone of a crime, then investigate to determine whether or not they are guilty. You don't just investigate someone until you find something to pin on them. These tactics would put most people behind bars for something.

"Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria, Joseph Stalin's longest-serving secret police chief



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 03/06/2019 01:44 PM
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Cole

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The Trump clan can't be bothered with laws.

Want proof? Look at the string of convictions.

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 03/06/2019 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Sniper About damn time Trump starts slow-walking and stalling at every opportunity. Enough is enough. This isn't soviet Russia. In America, we investigate crimes, not people. You accuse someone of a crime, then investigate to determine whether or not they are guilty. You don't just investigate someone until you find something to pin on them. These tactics would put most people behind bars for something. "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria, Joseph Stalin's longest-serving secret police chief
Yeah thats how the Republicans got Bill Clinton convicted on those Whitewater related charges
 03/06/2019 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by: wbsponger

Originally posted by: Sniper

About damn time Trump starts slow-walking and stalling at every opportunity.



Enough is enough.



This isn't soviet Russia. In America, we investigate crimes, not people. You accuse someone of a crime, then investigate to determine whether or not they are guilty. You don't just investigate someone until you find something to pin on them. These tactics would put most people behind bars for something.



"Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria, Joseph Stalin's longest-serving secret police chief


Yeah thats how the Republicans got Bill Clinton convicted on those Whitewater related charges


There might be some truth to what you say but without Linda Tripp taping Lewinsky and going to authorities with what she learned, I'm not sure that Clinton would have had any problems. Lewinsky was trying to get Tripp to perjur herself in the Jones v. Clinton suit to cover up Lewinsky's relationship with Clinton. This stuff just fell in the Republicans' laps and then Clinton stepped in it.

In Trump's case, no one has come forward with anything except the Stormy Daniels stuff, which Cohen pretty much took off the table in his hearing last week. Just lots of looking for it.

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“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden
 03/06/2019 12:09 PM
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You should actually read history instead of having some chicken little tell you what it means. The irony is that this is a surf forum and you know nothing of the serfs.

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 03/06/2019 12:52 PM
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You guys crack me up. As the furthest left 2nd Lighter, as soon as the shooting stops I expect to be appointed political commissar of the people's beaches. Tpap, I'll try to get you into a nice gulag since you're occasionally coherent and interesting. Zoos I'm afraid won't be so lucky.



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 03/06/2019 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck You guys crack me up. As the furthest left 2nd Lighter, as soon as the shooting stops I expect to be appointed political commissar of the people's beaches. Tpap, I'll try to get you into a nice gulag since you're occasionally coherent and interesting. Zoos I'm afraid won't be so lucky.
Thanks, man.

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 03/06/2019 02:23 PM
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Hilarious
 03/06/2019 03:33 PM
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LOL the irony of Zuess posting a Bolshevik comparison when the usual 2L clowns cry any time a dictator parallel is mentioned.. is apparently lost on.him.

Websters needs to add Zuess alongside Tpattycake's entry under 'ironic'

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 03/06/2019 04:31 PM
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nukeh2o

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Irony? What a riot
Howzabout these profoundly ignorant chumpfdirts blathering bullshit about "bolshevik" influence in america
That was spoon fed to them by RT and GRU bot propaganda sources.......again
Aka: "bolshevik" russian government created and maintained misinformation channels.
You chump idiots are laughably stupid, easily led and controlled, traitorous sheep......mmmbbaahaahh
Putin's sponsorship of loofa boy has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
Because of you dimwits
duuhhhh......

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 03/06/2019 04:33 PM
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That's not socialism.


Thank you tpap.
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Originally posted by: theglide

That's not socialism.




Thank you tpap.


Good catch. Although Medicare is "socialist" in the sense that there is public ownership and accountability for the finance part.
But, it's not socialized delivery of care. Your care is between you and the provider. M4A just means you can see who you want, and you won't go broke if you get sick or lose your job.

Sound good? Even better, it's CHEAPER than the current system.


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In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Edited: 03/06/2019 at 04:50 PM by RustyTruck
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If you ask what is greatest threat to the concentration of wealth into the fewest hands, the answer is taxes. That is why the super wealthy seek anarchy. This labeling and villainizing of socialism is just anti government propaganda aimed at preventing the richest one percent of our citizens from paying for health care.

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 03/06/2019 05:32 PM
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We'll certainly end up just like Venezuela and the USSR if we have public health insurance and universities, trains and windmills. Never mind that Trump has more in common with Maduro and Putin than any other politician in US history.
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US officials made list of reporters, lawyers, activists to question at the border. Several people on the list told NBC News that they had been pulled aside at the border after the date the list was compiled and were told they were being questioned as part of a "national security investigation." During that screening, journalists and lawyers describe being told that they are being interviewed as part of a national security investigation and that they must give officers access to their cell phones. "It has a real chilling effect on people who might go down there. I was going to go this week, but I had to worry about whether I could get back in [to the US]," one lawyer speaking on the condition of anonymity.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politic...uestion-border-n980301
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

We'll certainly end up just like Venezuela and the USSR if we have public health insurance and universities, trains and windmills. Never mind that Trump has more in common with Maduro and Putin than any other politician in US history.


Americans are rightfully cautious. Over the years, the left has shown admiration for quite a few bad socialist and communist leaders. This would lead anyone with half a brain to the conclusion that if we go down the socialist path that the left doesn't plan on stopping with a welfare safety-net and free education.

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 03/07/2019 06:18 AM
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Kim
"You gotta give him credit," Trump said. "How many young guys - he was, like, 26 or 25 when his father died - take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden ... he goes in, he takes over, and he's the boss," Trump said. "It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean, this guy doesn't play games. And we can't play games with him."


Mohamad BS
"He told me that he had nothing to do with it," Trump said of the Saudi prince. Trump added, "Will anybody really know? All right, will anybody really know? But he did have certainly people that were reasonably close to him and close to him that were probably involved. You saw we put on very heavy sanctions, massive sanctions on a large group of people from Saudi Arabia. But at the same time we do have an ally and I want to stick with an ally that in many ways has been very good."



All of this praise for murderous gangster autocratic fascists, while disparaging the USA intelligence officials and attacking the FBI to protect his own criminal empire.
 03/07/2019 06:27 AM
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Putin
"He's running his country and at least he's a leader, unlike what we have in this country," Trump said when asked by "Morning Joe" Republican host Joe Scarborough about Putin's alleged killing of journalists and political opponents.

"I think our country does plenty of killing also, Joe, so you know. There's a lot of stupidity going on in the world right now, a lot of killing, a lot of stupidity," he said.
Finally, when asked whether he would condemn Putin's alleged brutal tactics, Trump responded: "Sure, absolutely."



TRUMP: I BELIEVE PUTIN "MEANS IT" WHEN HE DENIES ELECTION MEDDLING
"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,' and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it," Trump said of the Russian president, in a conversation with reporters Saturday morning onboard Air Force One. "But he says, 'I didn't do that.' I think he is very insulted by it, if you want to know the truth. Don't forget. All he said was he never did that, he didn't do that. I think he is very insulted by it, which is not a good thing for our country."


"The president launched into several unrelated diatribes. One of those was commenting on the recent missile launches by the government of North Korea. And, essentially, the president said he did not believe that the North Koreans had the capability to hit us here with ballistic missiles in the United States. And he did not believe that because President Putin had told him they did not. President Putin had told him that the North Koreans don't actually have those missiles," McCabe said his colleague told him. McCabe said U.S. intelligence officials at the briefing tried to tell the president otherwise. "Intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses," McCabe said. "To which the president replied, 'I don't care. I believe Putin.'"
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The list sadly goes on to include Assad, Qadaffi, Saddam, Rodrigo Duterte, and others.

Conflating socialism with fascism brushes over the real pitfalls of autocratic leadership and consolidated power. Perhaps that's why many seem all too willing to allow one man to leverage unprecedented manipulation and control over the critical checks and balances that made America Great. And they've fallen for the same empty promises that have always enabled autocratic rule, economic prosperity and protection from false fears.
 03/07/2019 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

Kim

"You gotta give him credit," Trump said. "How many young guys - he was, like, 26 or 25 when his father died - take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden ... he goes in, he takes over, and he's the boss," Trump said. "It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean, this guy doesn't play games. And we can't play games with him."




Mohamad BS

"He told me that he had nothing to do with it," Trump said of the Saudi prince. Trump added, "Will anybody really know? All right, will anybody really know? But he did have certainly people that were reasonably close to him and close to him that were probably involved. You saw we put on very heavy sanctions, massive sanctions on a large group of people from Saudi Arabia. But at the same time we do have an ally and I want to stick with an ally that in many ways has been very good."






All of this praise for murderous gangster autocratic fascists, while disparaging the USA intelligence officials and attacking the FBI to protect his own criminal empire.


There's a big difference between kissing someone's ass for the sake of politics and admiring ones policy. I don't know anyone who would argue that Trump is trying to take US policy in the direction of North Korea or Saudi Arabia.


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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden
 03/07/2019 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover



Kim



"You gotta give him credit," Trump said. "How many young guys - he was, like, 26 or 25 when his father died - take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden ... he goes in, he takes over, and he's the boss," Trump said. "It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean, this guy doesn't play games. And we can't play games with him."








Mohamad BS

"He told me that he had nothing to do with it," Trump said of the Saudi prince. Trump added, "Will anybody really know? All right, will anybody really know? But he did have certainly people that were reasonably close to him and close to him that were probably involved. You saw we put on very heavy sanctions, massive sanctions on a large group of people from Saudi Arabia. But at the same time we do have an ally and I want to stick with an ally that in many ways has been very good."



All of this praise for murderous gangster autocratic fascists, while disparaging the USA intelligence officials and attacking the FBI to protect his own criminal empire.


There's a big difference between kissing someone's ass for the sake of politics and admiring ones policy. I don't know anyone who would argue that Trump is trying to take US policy in the direction of North Korea or Saudi Arabia.


Trump is on tape wishing he could be praised like Kim and he has interest in a State news service. Sniper, aka Team Blinders. lol



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