Images of the caravans coming out of Mexico today are looking like the pilgrimage to the Kumbha Mela with no end in sight. Dems can no longer say its a manufactured crisis with a straight face, and people are starting to see them for the lying stooges that they really are. Pretty sad when a large group of elected officials look stupider than Trump.

Yes, it is, and has been a humanitarian crisis for some time now and Trump has still done nothing about it. More camps, more officers, more judges. A wall in two years won't do a damn thing.





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I was right.

Edited: 04/03/2019 at 05:38 AM by Cole

Pretty sure there would have been a lot done if not for stonewalling by the loony left majority in the House. I agree a wall is not the answer, but I also contend wide open boarders aren't either. When political posturing is more important than the nation's best interest, its a sure sign our government is totally FUBAR, with the emphasis on BAR.

Have you even bothered to see the attempts at southern border immigration reform over the last two decades? It sure as shit isn't Democrats doing the blocking.

If you want to see the guilty party, look in the mirror.



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I was right.

Mexico and South America aren't sending doctors and engineers. They are sending unskilled/uneducated people. The United States isn't really manufacturing that many products these days. Farming and most other industries are in the process of automating as much as possible. Do you Democrats see the demand for these unskilled jobs in the United States going up or down in the future? It would appear that Democrats have absolutely zero foresight. Either that or Republicans can be for air and water and you will be against it.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

LIAR!

http://www.investors.com/polit...emocrats-open-borders/

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/05/2019 at 05:40 AM by Fish Killer

zoos all in for his phony news sites. The "crisis" at the border has only been exacerbated by the madman at the helm. "Hey everyone we better get there now before he closes it"

Plus there is true suffering happening down there. The tough guy attitude of "making" Mexico do things or pulling money from these poor countries ain't helping.

$hit zoos the GOP had control of everything there for a while and nothing happened.

You still think the rich care? They don't.

Refugees are not illegal aliens. The difference is lost on zooz and most trumpists. It's a distinction they don't care to make; to them all brown people are "Mexicans".
But it's a legal difference, and refugees are entitled to humane treatment under international law.

Anyone mistreating them or denying them their legal rights risks being held accountable when just government is restored in the US.



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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

part of the issue is qualification. if they cross the border without being accepted as refugees, they are illegal aliens to cons and by the law as well. to most liberals they are refugees seeking asylum and not illegal aliens regardless. the real determination should be the law. in short, to establish eligibility for asylum or refugee status, you must prove you are either the victim of past persecution or you have a well-founded fear of future persecution. of course that is hard to prove and make your case unless you are in the country in the first place, thus ports of entry. chicken and egg of sorts otherwise. how many central americans that qualify depends on interpretation of the law. by current interpretation, some definitely do, but most probably do not. at least that is my understanding of the situation

Edited: 04/04/2019 at 11:12 AM by RiddleMe

Folks, progs and dems said that there is no crisis on the border. As they lie about or are wrong about everything, that is all you needed to know that it is a crisis. In the future, if you want to know the truth about any topic, see what progs/dems are saying and the truth is the opposite. That's how I do it and I am almost always right, as you know.

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Thanks RT. People need to quit watching faux propaganda, it's making them more stupid by the second.

These people are not illegals until they cross the border w/o the proper permission to do so. It is very well within US and Int'l law i.e. legal for anyone to come to a port of entry and seek asylum.

With that said, we do need to shore up the border. For the 1000th time - we need more boots on the ground, eyes in the air (drones are cheap these days), and more people in the courts to help process these people - that's where I want my tax money spend, not on some boondoggle wall that I was told Mexico would pay for.

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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Edited: 04/04/2019 at 09:53 AM by wtf

No approach to immigration will be successful if we don't look carefully at the underlying causes of mass migration.

Our foreign policy has contributed to the economic devastation and crime they are fleeing.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

If tspank's art of the deal hero was anywhere near the alpha male they need him to be there would be plenty of money for the crisis. He's a stooge. His insistence on a wall f-ed all the deals. And now he's cutting aid to the countries in crisis. Admit it GOP fan boys your posse is clueless on how to run anything but a hotel (with illegals doing the cleaning).

i see the point in cutting aid as it does not appear to be helping anything. the right call would be to redirect the funds to those at the border. get them shelter, food, expedite processing, etc we know trump wont do the right thing

Usually, giving people what they want doesn't stop the situation from happening again. You guys think the solution is to let more of them in? lol Help me understand how rewarding their behavior helps the situation at all. It isn't like they are in prison. They can go home if they want to.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

i agree that this invites more to come and the situation repeating itself. we cant fix the problems in their countries though. shutting the border isnt an option either, i like my avocados. i am saying we use the money to fix the problem on our end instead. if people can be processed in a timely and fair manner, we wouldnt have them backed up at the border. they would also be less inclined to take their chances cross illegally, if they knew it meant they immediately go back

If it was such a crisis, why didn't the origin traitor build his wall when he had all of the gubmint kissing his big fat azz?

Who said that? There are laws on the books that provide for asylum. You don't like them? Get the party of the wall to change them. In the meantime the great alienator is completely out of his league and through his own arrogance and with no checks on his behavior from the cowardly and greedy GOP he actually sped up the exodus of people to this country. If y'all listened to anything but faux you would know that.

Do the math. Just part of the aid we give in defense to our a-hole friends Egypt Saudi Arabia and Israel would do a $hitload to either shore up the border in southern mexico or prop up security in the coutries south so people could live there.

And how about this. The dirtbag in chief didn't want any feds and that includes ICE and border protection to have a raise. Yeah he has the dimwits who love him snowed and he does not deserve it.

by law, unfortunately most wont qualify. there has to be a better way to allow people in that want to come is all i am saying. better to fix that than keep fueling something that is broken

What are you freaking BF Skinner? If you don't want people coming here as refugees, help do something about the conditions in their country which WE HELPED CREATE.

Abusing helpless people isn't going to get any of you slobs into heaven either. I'd say the only "pearly gates" you'll see when the light fades will be a trump wall that you built for yourself with your cruelty. And you won't be on the good side of it.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

we cant though. no way we can guarantee any effort we make will improve the conditions. corruption is rife

ref·u·gee
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noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

These people are not fleeing for their lives. They are trying to come here to better their lives, which is pretty much why anyone tries to come here and is what our legal immigration process was designed to manage. Why do these people from Central and South America deserve preferential treatment over people from Asia or Europe? Achieving legal, permanent, status in the United States isn't easy and that is by design. If someone isn't willing to put in the effort to get here legally, then chances are they aren't going to make it anyway.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Easy to say when you're descendents of people who came when there were no immigration laws.

Most of these people are native Americans. They were in the Americas before Columbus. Now colonists want to put up a fence and tell them they don't belong here.


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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

I'm all for them coming here, LEGALLY. If they want to form caravans to intentionally overwhelm our facilities, and exploit our laws, so they can be released into the U.S. to await the asylum hearing that they have no intention of ever going to, then they need to be taught a lesson.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

These are two completely different places and have SEVERAL countries in between...with THEIR OWN BOARDERS!

You're a SERIOUS idiot!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/05/2019 at 04:19 AM by Fish Killer

Yes asylum laws have thresholds for proof. Not everyone gets through that hurdle.

I do not agree that we can't reduce the flow of people with aid. This is real and worth trying. We are good at exploiting and it is coming back to f with us. Are we good at humanitarian assistance? The GOP sure as he$$ isn't they barely want to help people here.

It is LEGAL to seek asylum. The rest of what you said is faux propaganda. It's not for you to decide if an asylum claim is legitimate. Send judges instead of a stupid wall.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

yup legal at a port of entry to seek asylum. not legal to cross the border without permission. truth is most dont quality for asylum. these are the laws we have now, nothing more. to change that, the laws need to change first

"most dont quality for asylum"

When did you become an immigration judge?

Truth is, your generalized opinion on the merits of refugee status is completely irrelevant.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

so are yours. what is your point? your opinion is no more and no less valid than mine. anyhow, i wasnt suggesting they not be given their day in accordance with the law. however they have to follow the law, which means going to a port of entry instead of crossing illegally. that part is clear and not a matter of opinion, can we agree on that?

Edited: 04/05/2019 at 07:27 AM by RiddleMe

I don't believe I've offered an opinion in this thread. You seem to be trying to argue against some position I haven't taken.

Zoos is worried about "caravans". Those people are presenting themselves at points of entry and being mistreated.

You're questioning the merits of asylum claims in general terms, and I'm reminding you that it's up to a judge to decide.


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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

what sort of response do you expect when you are hostile like that? if you arent interested in opinions then you are in the wrong place. this forum is almost all opinion. thanks for reminding about due process though, not sure why you felt the need to given i mentioned that already, but you do you bro

really we arent that far apart rusty. we should probably just agree to disagree on the minor differences and focus on the macro

If the president of the country doesn't bother with e-verify, why should anyone else?

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I was right.

Fox sent a "reporter" down there to stand next some ICE agents in body armor, like a cosplay actor. The ICE agents interviewed didn't have body armor. Leave it to fox to pretend the border is war zone. Literally no one else thinks so. Governors have even refused to send their state's national guards.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

The Border Agents wear body armor.....for a good reason.

Idiot.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

No country is "sending" anyone. Low skilled jobs? Huh? Of course they will go up with population.

Minnow muncher posts something from Irritable Bowel Daily as some sort of truth.

The truth is this country feeds off of illegals whether they are Democrat or Republican.

What jobs for unskilled workers are you saying are growing at the pace of illegals entering the country?

That may be true. We need to stop the bleeding and figure out who is here. Without doing both of those, we are driving blind. We are writing checks like crazy but never balancing the checkbook. We are just hoping. It is a recipe for disaster.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden