As soon as you get people comparing other groups to animals or insects, or using language about advancing hordes...it's creating the sense of this enormous threat. And that makes it much easier to sell to people on the idea we've got to do something drastic... The longer they're there, the worse conditions get.... As you see mental health crises and contagious diseases begin to set in, they'll work to manage the worst of it. [But] then there will be the ability to tag these people as diseased, even if we created [those conditions].

Pictures published with the report show women packed tightly together in a holding cell. We also observed detainees standing on toilets in the cells to make room and gain breathing space, thus limiting access to toilets," the watchdog wrote. This was at Paso del Norte, a facility near El Paso, which has a stated capacity of 125 detainees. But when DHS inspectors visited, it was holding 900. When migrants & asylum-seekers are transferred to ICE, things get worse. Queer and trans migrants face exceptionally harsh treatment, w/reports of high levels of physical and sexual abuse, & the use of solitary confinement - considered torture by many psychologists - is widespread."

http://www.esquire.com/news-po...Lo3oeMmNRNF_7M4P6TNjfA

But truthfully, why in the world should we make someone who is here illegally comfortable?

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Dora Hates You

Is it illegal to seek asylum? Should we start locking people up in overcrowded prisons, indefinitely, without a trial, for speeding? Undocumented immigration is a minor civil infraction. Give them a citation and a court date and let them go, unless there is evidence an individual has a dangerous criminal history or is a security risk.

I see someone has never been to the Holocaust museum.

You don't enter a concentration camp on your own free will.

If it was that bad then people wouldn't walk all the way through Mexico for the pleasure of being admitted to it.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

can they leave and go back home if they want?

Only if they're Canadian or Europeans.

serious or no? they should be offered return back to the other side of the border if they choose at the very least

Seriously.

They are detained indefinitely without any rights, per a recent ruling by the United States Supreme Court


https://www.npr.org/2018/02/27/589096901/supreme-court-ruling-means-immigrants-can-continue-to-be-detained-indefinitely

Who is or who is not "here legally" is a matter of state power, not morale authority.

These people being abused are more legitimately American than anyone on this forum.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

It's a real pickle, I don't know what private companies are involved but maybe there is a market for better care. Gov always messes it up

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I troll 2L.com to be a better person in real life

sure privatizing the prison system worked out well. umm, yah. heh

Is it illegal to shut down our failed immigration system and only let in the ones we want...vetted and medically and psychologically checked out?

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

"ALL MEN are created EQUAL, with certain RIGHTS, Life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness "

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

You got that quotre WAY WRONG!

FOOL!

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

ALL MEN ARE NOT US CITIZENS!

MORON!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/16/2019 at 11:55 AM by Fish Killer

our founding fathers said " ALL MEN". not all U.S. citizens

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Yeah but that is "that they are endowed by their Creator"

NOT the United States of America!

Citizens have rights here in the US....BUT not ALL people!

MORON!

One other thing....one actually has to HAVE a 'creator'....you and most of YOUR ILK dont recognize a 'creator'!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah!

FOOL!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/16/2019 at 01:03 PM by Fish Killer

MOM and Dad and the world we live in created me. I'm blessed.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Weelll, ignorant madam Chicken Fish:
there you go again....
"All men are are created...." was part of the declaration of independence stupid fuck. There was no constitution yet, hence there werent any citizens yet.
They meant all race creed color dweeb. You know absolutely nothing of the history of the formation of our wonderful america from a group of ragtag former colonies. The smartest guys in world history then wrote our priceless constitution. Of which you know nothing, and dishonor every breath you take
You are a godless blasphemer, and a stinking lying trollbot traitor.
Your messiah is an evil, greedy, orange, philandering userer and money changer and laundering antichrist
In other words: he is everything the lord jesus opposed.
Which level of the inferno is waiting for you Mulleta Marinara?
duuuhhhuuuuh.....



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It's a democratic hoax

YO....TWIT!

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.....BUT IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN IF THESE UNITED STATES YOU GET WHAT COMES WITH CITIZENSHIP!


EVERYONE ELSE GETS BUBKUS!

EVERYONE ELSE GETS WHAT THEIR COUNTRY HAS TO OFFER ITS CITIZENS!

MORON!

IT":S CALLED BEING A SOVERIGN NATION!

FOOL!


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Fat, pus filled rotting fish. Sik......
You, and your treasonous herd of "elk" support a fat orange traitor who will sell American sovereignty to any foreign bidder. At my beloved America's expense.......
Your marinara sister/ love interest pigblo went back home to the foreign state of jojahstan
You two Stalinist vladdie pu lovers belong together
Now: get the fuck outta here.....

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It's a democratic hoax

If we are vetting, then you gotta go!

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

Sorry DIPSHIT....I was born here.

So was my mother and grandmother.

I can clearly see that you dont know or understand the definition of the word immigration.

You're an idiot of the highest order!

FOOL!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 11:41 AM by Fish Killer

I just think we should get rid of jackass's like you.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

My feelings about you are much worse.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Oh, do tell.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

Are you that stupid?



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Jesus said turn the other cheek.

I don't recall the part about hate.

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I was right.

Yeah...Did Jesus 'turn the other cheek' with the Pharisee and Sadducees?

Hell no!

FOOL!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 07:59 PM by Fish Killer

Is anyone on here a Pharisee or Sadducee?

Yes or no.

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I was right.

HELL YES!

YOU are one of the HEAD PHARISEE!

Why dont you twist a bit of Scripture for us today!

MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/18/2019 at 04:31 AM by Fish Killer

Did Jesus strike out against all Pharisee or just a select group in the temple?




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I was right.

The select group is right here!

It's called NSR!

Hypocrites to the MAX!

LIARS to the MAX!

CHEATS to the MAX!

Thieves to the MAX!

MORONS OF EPIC PROPORTION!

YOU are the head MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Bahahaha! He got you again! Smack that titty! Go cry your big fat eyes out.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

Liar!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

lol


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I was right.

Yeah...you do think lying is funny.

Pathological liars always do.

Fool!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

"He who is without sin, cast the first stone."

--Some Jewish carpenter

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GOP:

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project

In any case, detentions at the border are not concentration camps, or anything remotely close, and everyone knows it. Time to put this particular bit of prog hysteria to bed. We can spend our time better arguing about the extent to which California is a shithole.

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I :heart; Q

Children are in cages. That's bad enough.

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I was right.

Overcrowded prisons used for indefinite detention without rights to trial or bond hearings are concentration camps.

"For I was hungry and you did not give me food. I was thirsty and you gave me no drink. I was a refugee and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me. Sick and in prison and you did not visit me." Matthew 25:42-43

Over, done, finis. But have at among yourselves if you wish. I will see you on relevant threads.

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I :heart; Q

The Trump administration argued in court Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells.

http://www.courthousenews.com/...anitary-without-soap/

"Children are in cages. That's bad enough."--For those too stupid to read and understand history---odumbo did it first! Coleslaw award!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

If he did, does that make it ok now?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Yeah...better explain exactly why that Jewish Carpenter said the things he did to you Pharisee!

FOOL!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Pastor Cole did he call for abortion?

You might what to look into what the Bible has to say about life and abortion.

Exodus - 22. And should men quarrel and hit a pregnant woman, and she miscarries but there is no fatality, he shall surely be punished, when the woman's husband makes demands of him, and he shall give [restitution] according to the judges' [orders]. 23. But if there is a fatality, you shall give a life for a life, 24. an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot. 25. a burn for a burn, a wound for a wound, a bruise for a bruise.

Numbers - But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband" - 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse - "may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.



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I was right.

So, that just means you didn't do anything to earn your citizenship except getting squirted out and start crying.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Just like you!

FOOL!

As for people who are NOT from this country...OBEY THE LAW!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

make the law easier to obey, like it was when your ancestors came here.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Demoshits wont do that.

FOOL!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

why didn't trump do it when he had control of the house, senate, and presidency?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Arriving in America did not mean that an immigrant would automatically get in. By 1907, immigration laws barred criminals, prostitutes, the insane, the feebleminded, those with certain contagious diseases, political radicals, laborers who had signed contracts to work in the United States, and people who would likely end up being supported by public funds. Individuals who fit into any of these categories had to be weeded out by the immigration inspectors. Then they were detained and eventually deported. This was the main purpose of Ellis Island. As a result, some immigrants began calling Ellis Island, the "Isle of Tears."

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Before arriving on Ellis Island, each steerage passenger was tagged with a number. Upon docking at Ellis Island, interpreters formed the immigrants into groups of 30 by yelling out numbers in various languages.

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Then came the first test. As the tired, but excited immigrants walked into the main building, they had to climb a steep set of stairs. At the top were doctors watching for lame or ill people. This was known as the "six-second physical."

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After leaving their baggage in Registry Hall, immigrants faced a series of medical exams. First, doctors asked brisk questions, which nearby interpreters translated. Children were asked their names in order to check for deafness and dumbness. Then doctors inspected each immigrant's face, hair, neck and hands. Other doctors looked for tuberculosis, leprosy, cholera, and other diseases. The last doctor was the "eye man." He quickly snapped back the eyelids of each person with a buttonhook, looking for trachoma, a highly infectious disease that causes blindness.

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If a doctor suspected a person had some disease or condition that could lead to deportation, a letter was marked in chalk on the immigrant's clothing. An "H" meant suspected heart disease. An "F" meant facial rash. An "L" meant lameness or rickets. An "X" meant a mental defect. And an "E" meant eye disease. About 20 percent were detained for further examination. Those who passed the doctors' examinations were sent back to Registry Hall to be questioned further by federal immigration inspectors.

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In the early 1900s, immigration inspectors on Ellis Island worked from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m., seven days a week, with only a few days off. These inspectors questioned 400-500 immigrants apiece each day. They had about two minutes to decide whether an immigrant was "clearly and beyond a doubt entitled to land."

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The inspectors put the same questions to every immigrant: "Who paid for your passage?" "How many dependents?" "Ever been in prison?" "Can you read and write?" "What work do you do?" "Do you have a job waiting for you?" ("Yes" would mean a violation of the Contract Labor Law, and certain deportation) "Is anyone meeting you?" "Where are you going?" "How much money do you have?" The immigrants spent their long days aboard ship practicing their answers to these questions. They knew that if they slipped, they couldn't get in.

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

"the feebleminded"

That can't be true. FK's relatives had to come from somewhere, since he's not Native American.

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I was right.

1907 to current: 112 years. 1776 to current, minus 112 years: 131 years. 1565 (St. Augustine) to current, minus 112 years: 342 years. I think we can agree that we're unclear about the rules governing the (probably three) migrations of Asians to North America about 14,000 to 12,000 years ago; and, the effect that had on the people they discovered here... (Toca da Tira Peia)

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add a signature since I'm here in profile anyway

The Fatterland

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

No just be legal

Doesn't bother me a bit. They have a choice - come or not come.

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I :heart; Q

I think you mean it doesn't effect you directly so fuck do you care, That's your normal stance. If you don't benefit from it directly then get rid of it.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

I meant that it doesn't bother me a bit. It is exactly what should happen to them. Also, it most likely doesn't bother you a bit (it certainly didn't warrant any outrage when it was happening under Obama). You guys are merely using this as yet another way to hit at Trump. If a dem was president, you wouldn't be saying a thing. We all know that.

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I :heart; Q

Obama didn't do this.

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I was right.

It was happening under Obama and Bush, all stemming from an overreaction to 9/11. But Trump has taken it to an extreme with intentional family separations and checkpoints across the country. The most disturbing part of the article talks about how hard it is to undo this, citing how it wasn't possible to close Gitmo.

I hoped Obama would fight to do away with the Patriot Act, but it never happened. That being said, he didn't lose children or pack asylum seekers away in private prisons.

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I was right.

No he started the cages

There are a hundred in a room with no room to sit down.

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I was right.

Edited: 06/23/2019 at 12:52 PM by HAPDigital

Are you fucking kidding me. The so called right wingers did and are still doing shit flips over Obama, You stupid shits flipped out because he order French mustard, wore a tan suit, played golf (way less than the cheating Cheeto)This could fill pages. So, shut the fuck up about what we complain about. You have it coming, and the imbecile you put in office has earned every bit of scrutiny he gets. He loves it! He will get caught in all of his lies.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump