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http://www.politico.com/news/2...on-interference-074796

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Yes. GOP "but Ukranians said bad things about our imperial misogynist in chief" Yes, but that is not election meddling. Handle it you sorry sacks. Jeez Jim Jordan is their spokes pervson.
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They are stuck in their defense rut and have resorted to the very hollow accusation that everyone in the Ukraine "preferred" Clinton to win the election, with no regard or appreciation of who Russia "preferred" or how they actively sought out members of campaign, stole the emails from the DNC, disseminated them strategically to time with Trump's pussy grabbing tape and how their propaganda was so effective that GOP senators are still using it today oblivious of their part in this.

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Many of Jim Jones followers willingly drank the Kool-Aid, knowing the consequence.
 12/03/2019 10:56 AM
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Fiona Hill Testimony:
"The goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud. They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President [Hillary] Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other. The Russians essentially bet on both sides, hoping whoever won the presidential election in 2016 would also experience some discomfort, that they would be beholden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics." - Fiona Hill

Did any of you ever even look at the ads that Russia bought during the 2016 election?


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 12/03/2019 12:15 PM
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But lets be clear, the Russians weren't funneling stolen emails from the RNC, which they did hack, to the Clintons.

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But lets be clear, the Russians were peddaling stolen emails from the DNC, which they did hack, because Hillary kept an unprotected server in her closet at her house while she was secretary of state.... She was stupid enough to have a private server in her closet at home, she lost or had stolen three phones during her time as sec of state and the Russians hacked the DNC... HOW THE FUCK DID THEY MANAGE THAT??? It is Hillarys fault the DNC got hacked by the Russians, it is her fault that the Russian and Iranians knew every deal Obama was going to make before it was ever put on the table. Obama got a shit reputation in foreign affairs because his own Sec of State was leaking state secrets like a sieve... the Russians didn't have to hack the DNC, they just logged in with Hillary.Clinton@hilforpres.org password MadamPres#1

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/c...but-didn-t-release-it

The DNC was no more vulnerable than the RNC. The Russians only helped the RNC and when the democrats told the republicans that they had been hacked and that the stolen information was coming from Russia with the request not to use it, the classy family values party said no thank you, and used every bit of it.

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 12/04/2019 06:35 AM
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I'm not saying that Russia absolutely did not hack the DNC but I'm keeping an open mind about what may have happened. The same people saying that without a doubt, Russia was responsible for the hack are the same people who were proven wrong by the Mueller investigation.

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this, my folks tell me, was an appropriate substitute," - James Comey

When asked if investigating the actual server would have helped the FBI track down the culprit, the FBI declined to comment.

To this day, however, the intelligence agencies that released this assessment have failed to provide the American people with any actual evidence substantiating their claims about how the DNC material was obtained or by whom. Astonishingly and often overlooked, the authors of the declassified ICA themselves admit that their "judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact." - The Nation (hardly a conservative publication)

Anytime you see anything from an unnamed source, an anonymous source, you have the government saying "just trust us on this one", or anything of the like, you would be wise to proceed cautiously.

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 12/04/2019 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper

I'm not saying that Russia absolutely did not hack the DNC but I'm keeping an open mind about what may have happened. The same people saying that without a doubt, Russia was responsible for the hack are the same people who were proven wrong by the Mueller investigation.



"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this, my folks tell me, was an appropriate substitute," - James Comey



When asked if investigating the actual server would have helped the FBI track down the culprit, the FBI declined to comment.



To this day, however, the intelligence agencies that released this assessment have failed to provide the American people with any actual evidence substantiating their claims about how the DNC material was obtained or by whom. Astonishingly and often overlooked, the authors of the declassified ICA themselves admit that their "judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact." - The Nation (hardly a conservative publication)



Anytime you see anything from an unnamed source, an anonymous source, you have the government saying "just trust us on this one", or anything of the like, you would be wise to proceed cautiously.


Yeah, I mean for all we know Fiji could've meddled in our elections. Right?
 12/04/2019 07:13 AM
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Remarkable that it barely even registered in the news cycle, when evidence was released after Roger Stone's conviction, that Trump was informed of Russia's hacking of the DNC in April of 2016, and that Trump lied about it in his written statements to the FBI.
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Russia was responsible for the hack are the same people who were proven wrong by the Mueller investigation.

Um, Mueller's report said that Russia hacked the election and that they are still a serious threat.

Seriously, where do you get your news?

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 12/04/2019 07:22 AM
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Usually, I link sources. They are the blue letters. Try clicking them.

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 12/04/2019 07:48 AM
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Maybe check Page 36 of Mueller's Report?

RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING OPERATIONS .................................................. ...... ............. 36
A. GRU Hacking Directed at the Clinton Campaign ................. .......... ............... ............. 36
1. GRU Units Target the Clinton Campaign .................. . .... . .... . ......... . ...................... 36
2. Intrusions into the DCCC and DNC Networks ................... ................... ............... 38
a. Initial Access .................................... ............................................... ................. 38
b. Implantation ofMalware on DCCC and DNC Networks ................................ 38
c. Theft of Documents from DNC and DCCC Networks .................................... 40
B. Dissemination of the Hacked Materials ................. ......... ......................... ................... 41
I. DCL eaks ........ ............................. ................................. .................. .................. ..... 41
2. Guccifer 2.0 ............ .............. .................. ............. .................................................. 42
3. Use of WikiLeaks .................
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

Maybe check Page 36 of Mueller's Report?

RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING OPERATIONS .................................................. ...... ............. 36

A. GRU Hacking Directed at the Clinton Campaign ................. .......... ............... ............. 36

1. GRU Units Target the Clinton Campaign .................. . .... . .... . ......... . ...................... 36

2. Intrusions into the DCCC and DNC Networks ................... ................... ............... 38

a. Initial Access .................................... ............................................... ................. 38

b. Implantation ofMalware on DCCC and DNC Networks ................................ 38

c. Theft of Documents from DNC and DCCC Networks .................................... 40

B. Dissemination of the Hacked Materials ................. ......... ......................... ................... 41

I. DCL eaks ........ ............................. ................................. .................. .................. ..... 41

2. Guccifer 2.0 ............ .............. .................. ............. .................................................. 42

3. Use of WikiLeaks .................


And, the Mueller Report based this on what? A server they never had full access to? Taking the DNC's word for it? Taking the word of a company being paid by the DNC?

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1) The link you posted never mentions Ukraine as the culprit, as you have argued.

2) There is a detailed report on the investigation.

http://www.us-cert.gov/sites/d...0STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

Then there is this from the link you posted.

We have also learned since publication, from longtime VIPS member Thomas Drake, that there is a dispute among VIPS members themselves about the July 24 memo. This is not the first time a VIPS report has been internally disputed, but it is the first time one has been released over the substantive objections of several VIPS members. With that in mind, we asked Drake and those VIPS members who agree with him to present their dissenting view. We also asked VIPS members who stand by their report to respond.

Which brings me to the question: Do you read the links you post?

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Originally posted by: Cole

1) The link you posted never mentions Ukraine as the culprit, as you have argued.

2) There is a detailed report on the investigation.

http://www.us-cert.gov/sites/d...E-2016-1229.pdf


Then there is this from the link you posted.

We have also learned since publication, from longtime VIPS member Thomas Drake, that there is a dispute among VIPS members themselves about the July 24 memo. This is not the first time a VIPS report has been internally disputed, but it is the first time one has been released over the substantive objections of several VIPS members. With that in mind, we asked Drake and those VIPS members who agree with him to present their dissenting view. We also asked VIPS members who stand by their report to respond.

Which brings me to the question: Do you read the links you post?


Yeah, I never mentioned Ukraine being the culprit. It wouldn't have to be hacked at all if someone had access to the system.

I saw the quote you mentioned. I'm still interested in hearing what both sides have to say.

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: Cole



1) The link you posted never mentions Ukraine as the culprit, as you have argued.



2) There is a detailed report on the investigation.



">http://www.us-cert.gov/sites/d....pdf





Then there is this from the link you posted.



We have also learned since publication, from longtime VIPS member Thomas Drake, that there is a dispute among VIPS members themselves about the July 24 memo. This is not the first time a VIPS report has been internally disputed, but it is the first time one has been released over the substantive objections of several VIPS members. With that in mind, we asked Drake and those VIPS members who agree with him to present their dissenting view. We also asked VIPS members who stand by their report to respond.



Which brings me to the question: Do you read the links you post?




Yeah, I never mentioned Ukraine being the culprit. It wouldn't have to be hacked at all if someone had access to the system.



I saw the quote you mentioned. I'm still interested in hearing what both sides have to say.


I know right? It could be Somalia. I'm thinking maybe it was Barbados but you know it could have been Canada or even Sweden. Our FBI and Intelligence services say it was Russian. But you know, it could be Austria. We'll never know....
 12/04/2019 08:46 AM
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This is why I have been questioning Sniper's surfing. He is pretending to have an open mind when an open mind means that he will not accept the conclusion that Russia was and is the culprit based on evidence, the intelligence community's assessment and the indictment of the GRU members specifically. You are supposed to start with an open mind and accept the facts regardless of the direction they take you. You are refusing to accept the facts and stalling at the beginning to avoid the inevitable conclusion as if that's the same. Your "open mind" is really just a refusal to accept facts. You even posted links debunking your own premise and you are always keeping an open mind when the evidence is clearly against the conclusion you stated with and defend with that same alleged open mind.

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Maybe the Democrats/Deep State/Ukraine conspiracy to undermine Trump makes sense. But imagine the foresight they must've had in 2015, especially given the very high likelihood that Trump would be elected if the DNC worked with Crowdstrike and Ukraine and WikiLeaks to make herself look bad, especially in October of 2016. Then, of course the FBI would help her by cooking up the Russia investigation, setting up Don Jr. to meet with their double agent, and setting up Popadopalous, Flynn, Cohen, Stone, Etc. all so she could be vindicated by an impeachment in the House that gets blocked by the Senate, but great for political strategy, brilliant even.
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

This is why I have been questioning Sniper's surfing. He is pretending to have an open mind when an open mind means that he will not accept the conclusion that Russia was and is the culprit based on evidence, the intelligence community's assessment and the indictment of the GRU members specifically. You are supposed to start with an open mind and accept the facts regardless of the direction they take you. You are refusing to accept the facts and stalling at the beginning to avoid the inevitable conclusion as if that's the same. Your "open mind" is really just a refusal to accept facts. You even posted links debunking your own premise and you are always keeping an open mind when the evidence is clearly against the conclusion you stated with and defend with that same alleged open mind.


He does this all the time.
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you can tell I'm obviously not an open-minded person because the scenario being pushed on us looks fishy,

"Pushed by us," sounds more fitting. The bullshit line that Ukraine hacked the election has gone all the way to the top in your circle.

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

This is why I have been questioning Sniper's surfing. He is pretending to have an open mind when an open mind means that he will not accept the conclusion that Russia was and is the culprit based on evidence, the intelligence community's assessment and the indictment of the GRU members specifically. You are supposed to start with an open mind and accept the facts regardless of the direction they take you. You are refusing to accept the facts and stalling at the beginning to avoid the inevitable conclusion as if that's the same. Your "open mind" is really just a refusal to accept facts. You even posted links debunking your own premise and you are always keeping an open mind when the evidence is clearly against the conclusion you stated with and defend with that same alleged open mind.

This is a dotard in a nutshell. That's why it's pointless entering a debate with these people and why the phrase 'Ok Boomer' has come about.


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 12/04/2019 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

This is why I have been questioning Sniper's surfing. He is pretending to have an open mind when an open mind means that he will not accept the conclusion that Russia was and is the culprit based on evidence, the intelligence community's assessment and the indictment of the GRU members specifically. You are supposed to start with an open mind and accept the facts regardless of the direction they take you. You are refusing to accept the facts and stalling at the beginning to avoid the inevitable conclusion as if that's the same. Your "open mind" is really just a refusal to accept facts. You even posted links debunking your own premise and you are always keeping an open mind when the evidence is clearly against the conclusion you stated with and defend with that same alleged open mind.


The article said that not all members of VIPS agree with all aspects of the memo. I wouldn't consider that the same thing as debunking it.

So, in order for me to be "open-minded", I need to say that the only possible scenario here is that Russia hacked the DNC, based on information provided by our intelligence agencies, who didn't have first-hand experience with the server?

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this, my folks tell me, was an appropriate substitute," - James Comey

Something seems really off with this whole scenario. Maybe Russia hacked to tip the scales for Trump.

Or maybe it wasn't a hack at all. Maybe a DNC IT staffer downloaded the Outlook files to a thumb drive and sold it to the highest bidder?

The scenario we are being told to accept may very well be the truth but it seems like the most unlikely scenario.

If a DNC staffer did it from the inside then the DNC has nothing to use against Trump. They just look dumber. If the DNC staffer sold the information, then it would also explain why the same thing didn't happen to the RNC, because this guy didn't work for the RNC. It could have been completely apolitical. This guy might not give a shit about Democrats or Republicans. He might just want to get paid.

Trust me, I'm open to considering quite a few scenarios here. Hell, I would have an easier time believing that Trump himself bought the thumb drive off the DNC staffer than the story we have now.

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“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

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Edited: 12/04/2019 at 11:46 AM by Sniper
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He's still shooting in the dark. Maybe it was... you know what it was and that's why you keep going back to the beginning and never progressing beyond that. So what kind of board do you ride when you can surf and find the time?

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 12/04/2019 12:37 PM
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Now I'm starting to question your credentials. You only have one board that you ride in all conditions?

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 12/04/2019 01:16 PM
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Johnnygirl only picks the scenario that fits his agenda.

EVERY TIME!

Then he swears by it!

Then he invents a few lies about it!

Then he actually believes his own made up lies!

Epic moron!

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

He's still shooting in the dark. Maybe it was... you know what it was and that's why you keep going back to the beginning and never progressing beyond that. So what kind of board do you ride when you can surf and find the time?


So, you can tell I'm obviously not an open-minded person because the scenario being pushed on us looks fishy, so I'm discussing what could have happened?

I guess in order to be really open-minded you have to go along with the crowd and not ask questions. Not having to think so much could free up my brain more to do things like play Angry Birds. You hardly have to think at all. Brilliant!

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: johnnyboy



He's still shooting in the dark. Maybe it was... you know what it was and that's why you keep going back to the beginning and never progressing beyond that. So what kind of board do you ride when you can surf and find the time?




So, you can tell I'm obviously not an open-minded person because the scenario being pushed on us looks fishy, so I'm discussing what could have happened?



I guess in order to be really open-minded you have to go along with the crowd and not ask questions. Not having to think so much could free up my brain more to do things like play Angry Birds. You hardly have to think at all. Brilliant!


Yeah, this whole Russia hacking the DNC and interfering in our elections is kind of like the earth being round. It's been pushed on us for so long that if we question it we are labeled nuts. I feel your pain man. Christianity has been pushed on me my whole life, I see right through it. Mueller, Jim Bakker, what's the difference.... Right?
 12/04/2019 01:19 PM
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You can even find me riding one of my boards on the surf forum if you look. What kind of board do you ride?

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All of them float me. Some have more float than I need. One or two of them are probably as yellow as your teeth but are still fun. Hope that helps.

Is this your version of DO YOU EVEN LIFT, BRO???

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The appearance of objectivity with the narrative of the GOP talking point. He doesn't say no, he says he doesn't know and pretends that playing three monkeys with the truth is an open mind. I don't know how he found us and I don't know why he would bother with us. That's why I questioned his surfing, board and location. I am keeping an open mind about him being a paid singer.

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy
I don't know why he would bother with us....


You know, I'm glad you brought that up because it is something I have thought about myself.

I guess I come here because it is the intellectual equivalent of seeing how many children you can fight at one time.

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“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden
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There are some choice words to describe snipe, but intellectual isn't on the short list.

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In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".
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I think everyone should teach children. It's how we learn. You and open mind have certainly been getting an education lately.

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"Matt Gaetz argues that with the time consumed by this impeachment process, Congress could do things that Republicans declined to do when they controlled all three elected branches of the federal government."

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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.
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"Matt Gaetz argues that with the time consumed by this impeachment process, Congress could do things..... Yea we wish.... BUT this congress was elected to only do the one thing... impeach Trump... Look at all the Democrat Gains in the mid-terms, everybody ran on an Impeachment platform... That's why the Democrats haven't done anything else for years, they are trying to do the one thing the promised to get elected.... The first time ever a Democrat trys to actually keep a Campaign promise and it blows up in their faces....

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Blows up? They're drafting articles of impeachment. Trump will join the likes of Nixon and Clinton. It doesn't matter that the GOP will sweep it under the rug and try to put Adam Schiff on trial. History will be marked.


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History will be marked. ... Yes, yes it will... History will be marked... and there isn't any going back.... Did you watch the so called expert witnesses? Listen to all of the testimony, including Turleys... 3 party hacks all of whom espoused impeachment YEARS ago and one guy who DID NOT support Trump, Did NOT VOTE for Trump, BUT had some wise words for the Liberal maniacs running the Shitt Show... You should listen to what that one guy said... He agrees with you... History will be marked by this...

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nobodyelse quoting the d-bag gaetz, probably looks up to him as a scholar. He's a tweeting frat boy at best. Aside from the myriad of bills the COngress has sent to the Senate one notable thing the democrats did is they got us out of the government shutdown earlier this year. The icing was making twitler look like the dumb $hit that he is.
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jdbman: "Matt Gaetz argues that with the time consumed by this impeachment process, Congress could do things that Republicans declined to do.... Greensleeves: nobodyelse quoting the d-bag gaetz, probably looks up to him as a scholar. He's a tweeting frat boy at best. HAHAHA, Dumbass Green still unable to comprehend basic reading skills... LOOK AGAIN DUMBASS... JBDMAN QUOTED the D_BAG GAETZ.... HAHAHA, what a Maroon...

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Turley's pretty much said Twitler did it. Shoot even his dog is mad.

Here's Turley defending a slimeball that was impeached.

Turley a lying ambulance chaser and nobodyelse fawning over him

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What did MATT GAETZ SAY AGAIN DUMBASS???

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Originally posted by: somebodyelse

What did MATT GAETZ SAY AGAIN DUMBASS???


"Someone please let some air out of my oversize head before it pops like a balloon"?


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Nobodyelse is incensed! Batten down the loose papers there's going to be a blow! Matt Gaetz, nobodyelse's current crush (to include the aged and senile Turley), is a panhandle loser focussed on the impeachment hearing when he should be trying to help the people of Florida!


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jdbman: "Matt Gaetz argues that with the time consumed by this impeachment process, Congress could do things that Republicans declined to do... HAHAHA... Sorry JBDMAN but I'm told that Your guy Gaetz is a d-bag tweeting Frat boy and is a panhandle loser focused on the impeachment instead of helping the people of Florida....

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Maybe he can help SomebodyFish construct proper sentences.

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johnnyboy

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Proper sentences? Let's start with complete thoughts. Work our way through logic, past internal consistency and beyond hypocrisy. Then we can work on punching and not trying to counter punch. Once there and past all that, brevity. If all that works, we should hope for a sense of humor. You know, the easy stuff.

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