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Created On: 01/20/2021 10:52 AM
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 Trump is gone...   - RustyTruck - 01/20/2021 10:52 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - tpapablo - 01/20/2021 11:42 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - johnnyboy - 01/20/2021 11:49 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - tpapablo - 01/20/2021 12:44 PM  
 Trump is gone...   - Greensleeves - 01/21/2021 12:02 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - RustyTruck - 01/21/2021 05:18 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - Cole - 01/21/2021 05:55 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - jdbman - 01/21/2021 06:46 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - RiddleMe - 01/21/2021 07:51 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - RustyTruck - 01/21/2021 09:26 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - Cole - 01/21/2021 09:37 AM  
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 Trump is gone...   - RustyTruck - 01/21/2021 01:01 PM  
 Trump is gone...   - Cole - 01/21/2021 06:26 PM  
 Trump is gone...   - RiddleMe - 01/21/2021 10:02 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - Cole - 01/21/2021 10:16 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - StirfryMcflurry - 01/23/2021 08:19 PM  
 Trump is gone...   - wtf - 01/21/2021 09:49 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - RustyTruck - 01/22/2021 05:21 AM  
 Trump is gone...   - Cole - 01/22/2021 05:29 AM  
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 Trump is gone...   - Cole - 01/22/2021 06:09 AM  
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 01/20/2021 10:52 AM
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RustyTruck

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"You can celebrate Donald Trump's exit. He's a horrible person. But remember that Trumpism was built and empowered by the Dems' neglect of the rights & needs of regular Americans. And when that continues, another more competent fascist will rise up."

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This use of “communism” to mean anything perceived as antithetical to white, conservative christianity, rather than communism in a Marxist sense is quite old. It’s coherent in its own right wing context, but sounds very stupid outside of it.
 01/20/2021 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck "You can celebrate Donald Trump's exit. He's a horrible person. But remember that Trumpism was built and empowered by the Dems' neglect of the rights & needs of regular Americans. And when that continues, another more competent fascist will rise up."
Yep. And dems have somehow talked themselves into believing that regular Americans are deplorables and not worthy of their attention. That certainly seems likely to continue. So, there is more to be written on this.

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 01/20/2021 11:49 AM
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Regular American insurrectionists, Tpap?

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 01/20/2021 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy Regular American insurrectionists, Tpap?
How many regular Americans are there? 200 million? How many went into the Capitol? 200? Look, I highly encourage dems to piss on 200 million Americans. So by all means call that 200 million insurrectionists, deplorables, racists and whatever else. Great strategy.

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 01/21/2021 12:02 AM
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Russki the Commie cry baby has a new beginning. His pal Qsukblo gets some new blood! Neither of these Qanon believing tools saw anything that happened today.

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 01/21/2021 05:18 AM
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RustyTruck

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And Greenieweenie is flush with love of his new hero, blissfully unaware that the same material conditions and alienation that created an incompetent monster continue to exist, and empty neoliberal identity politics will do nothing to prevent the next, possibly competent, monster from emerging out of the political shadows in the next few years. Mark my words.

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This use of “communism” to mean anything perceived as antithetical to white, conservative christianity, rather than communism in a Marxist sense is quite old. It’s coherent in its own right wing context, but sounds very stupid outside of it.
 01/21/2021 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

And Greenieweenie is flush with love of his new hero, blissfully unaware that the same material conditions and alienation that created an incompetent monster continue to exist, and empty neoliberal identity politics will do nothing to prevent the next, possibly competent, monster from emerging out of the political shadows in the next few years. Mark my words.


So sorry your life sucks so much.

Hey Ruskii, did your heroes live like they preached or were they more inline with Trump type wealth? lol



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 01/21/2021 06:46 AM
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Hey ruski: you took a wrong turn, Back up and start over.

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 01/21/2021 07:51 AM
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RiddleMe

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I am fairly certain Ruskii would be just fine with sedition, insurrection, treason, and civil war as long as it was the far left dingbats rising up instead of the far right. lol
 01/21/2021 09:26 AM
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RustyTruck

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You guys really don't get it, do you?

You actually think trump just managed get himself elected by some glitch of nature, and removing him alone is going to restore rainbows and unicorns to the USA.

All the conditions that created trump still exist, and Biden is likely to double down on them.



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This use of “communism” to mean anything perceived as antithetical to white, conservative christianity, rather than communism in a Marxist sense is quite old. It’s coherent in its own right wing context, but sounds very stupid outside of it.
 01/21/2021 09:37 AM
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Cole

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Backlash from Obama's color created Trump. Trump ran twice before and flopped like a flounder on hot concrete. Then he tapped into white nationalism. Those dirty Mexicans. Those dirty Muslims. Obama the African. Now we know there are good Nazis. The proud boyz stood by! All at the word of Trump.



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 01/21/2021 09:39 AM
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Cole

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Rusty, you never answer my question: Did and do the communist leaders you so admire live by their word or did/do they live like royalty?

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 01/21/2021 01:01 PM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: Cole

Rusty, you never answer my question: Did and do the communist leaders you so admire live by their word or did/do they live like royalty?



Cole, the anarchist/communist I admire most is probably Kropotin, and he was born into nobility but gave that up to study nature and philosophy. I'd say by and large he lived his ideals and is widely admired.

As for Biden I expect he will continue on the same path he's taken for 40 years in Washington. He'll make some minor corporate approved gestures toward the working class, while making sure no one does anything "radical" like police or prison reform, or a national healthcare system.

Keep in mind he's most likely got two years of razor thin majority, the mid terms may be a rough time for old Joe once trump has either been rehabilitated in the name of "unity" or launches a political insurgency campaign to help the pugs make sure it's hard as hell to vote next time.

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This use of “communism” to mean anything perceived as antithetical to white, conservative christianity, rather than communism in a Marxist sense is quite old. It’s coherent in its own right wing context, but sounds very stupid outside of it.
 01/21/2021 06:26 PM
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Cole

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China, Venezuela, North Korea, the old USSR and the Eastern Block, did/do the leaders live like the pitiful people or did they live in luxury?

I don't recall Stalin living in a shitty one room apartment and riding a bike to work six days a week. Beans for dinner...I doubt it. Bread for breakfast, no. Grey clothes and work boots?

Fuck no, they lived like kings, it's a fucking sham.

So where did your life go wrong that you need the State to live?

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Edited: 01/21/2021 at 06:27 PM by Cole
 01/21/2021 10:02 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Cole
Backlash from Obama's color created Trump.


Partially, but people like ruskii are just as culpable. The extreme people like him way out on the fringe left gave the right wing propaganda far too many examples to stir up the populace with.

 01/21/2021 10:16 AM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: Cole

Backlash from Obama's color created Trump.





Partially, but people like ruskii are just as culpable. The extreme people like him way out on the fringe left gave the right wing propaganda far too many examples to stir up the populace with.


Yep, "defund the police," nearly put Trump back into office.

As far as racists: The Proud Boys were founded in 2016 as a club for men by Gavin McInnes, who also was a founder of online publication Vice. Describing themselves as "Western chauvinists," the group attracted people who appeared eager to engage in violence and who frequently espoused anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic views. The group had supported Trump since he assumed office.



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 01/23/2021 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck You guys really don't get it, do you? You actually think trump just managed get himself elected by some glitch of nature, and removing him alone is going to restore rainbows and unicorns to the USA. All the conditions that created trump still exist, and Biden is likely to double down on them.
5/5. Not many shining lights here. excellent post, senor Truck!

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 01/21/2021 09:49 AM
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RT - you think Biden is going down that same path? I don't think so.

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 01/22/2021 05:21 AM
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RustyTruck

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What if I were to tell you that none of those places are/were actually communist? Authoritarian collectivist states are anathema to anarchocommunists.

Our motto is no gods, no masters; we reject the state. It doesn't matter the structure of the market - private capitol that exploits workers to gain wealth for the capitalist - or compulsory collectivism that exploits workers to enrich the bureaucrats and party elite - excess power of the state will undermine democracy.


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This use of “communism” to mean anything perceived as antithetical to white, conservative christianity, rather than communism in a Marxist sense is quite old. It’s coherent in its own right wing context, but sounds very stupid outside of it.
 01/22/2021 05:29 AM
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Wow, that was a pompous load of bullshit. lol

Those at the top always have it all and those at the bottom struggle. That's the way it is and always has been.



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 01/22/2021 05:36 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: Cole

Wow, that was a pompous load of bullshit. lol



Those at the top always have it all and those at the bottom struggle. That's the way it is and always has been.


"That's the way it is and always has been"

Well there's your problem right there. You can't or refuse to imagine anything better. Where did YOUR life go so wrong?

You may accept exploitation as the natural order, but I'll stick with Durruti who said "We carry a new world here, in our hearts. That world is growing this minute."

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This use of “communism” to mean anything perceived as antithetical to white, conservative christianity, rather than communism in a Marxist sense is quite old. It’s coherent in its own right wing context, but sounds very stupid outside of it.

Edited: 01/22/2021 at 05:40 AM by RustyTruck
 01/22/2021 06:09 AM
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Cole

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Where is this utopia?

Give me one example and we can go from there.

I can dream that I win the billion dollar powerball, but that don't mean a fucking thing.

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 01/22/2021 07:10 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: Cole

Where is this utopia?



Give me one example and we can go from there.



I can dream that I win the billion dollar powerball, but that don't mean a fucking thing.


Utopia begins at home, and spreads out from there as far as you can spread it. You don't have to overthrow the state by force, learn to live without it, practice mutual aid and direct action, and it will perish in due time.

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This use of “communism” to mean anything perceived as antithetical to white, conservative christianity, rather than communism in a Marxist sense is quite old. It’s coherent in its own right wing context, but sounds very stupid outside of it.
 01/22/2021 07:23 AM
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Cole

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Working for the State. Working for the company.

...same difference.

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