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- If you're vaccinated, why are you so concerned about me? Because I can still get it - Then why get vaccinated if you can still get COVID? Because if I do get it, the symptoms are a lot less worse and I have a higher percentage of survival. - So your chance of survival increased from the current 98.4% to even a higher percentage? (current numbers from the CDC 42,309,246 confirmed w/ 620,652 deaths...do the math) - Then if you're vaccinated, why are you concerned about me? Forcing others to participate in something that go against their own personal choice, to give you a false sense of security over you're own irrational fear, especially when its void of any logic.....is FUCKING PATHETIC!!!

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Progs are fools of the highest order. Logic doesn't work with them. Unreasoning beasts such as progs are prone to panic, superstition, and illogical fear. That's what we're seeing.

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Check with places with hospitals operating in "critical care" mode that are rationing care. People that need things like bypass surgery are getting turned away. You have multiple myeloma and need a marrow transplant. Go home and wait. The hospital is full. Appendicitis? Come back and see us if it bursts. Are you eager for regeneron while avoiding the vaccine? If so, why do you trust regeneron over the vaccine? If you think the medical establishment is lying to you about the vaccine are you going to forego treatment if you get sick? They can't be trusted at all right?

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Originally posted by: scombrid Check with places with hospitals operating in "critical care" mode that are rationing care. People that need things like bypass surgery are getting turned away. You have multiple myeloma and need a marrow transplant. Go home and wait. The hospital is full. Appendicitis? Come back and see us if it bursts. Are you eager for regeneron while avoiding the vaccine? If so, why do you trust regeneron over the vaccine? If you think the medical establishment is lying to you about the vaccine are you going to forego treatment if you get sick? They can't be trusted at all right?
What if its the vaccinated causing the spread? And causing these beds to fill up? Here's a question, why is the rate of infection higher now, when more of the populace is vaccinated, then last year when there was no vaccine available? Even more interesting, the rate of infection is higher, yet the deaths are lower? Is it possible the answer is the vaccinated are spreading it, and we're learning how to treat it? (Which the latter would negate the cry out for vaccines, no?) And, BTW, anyone comparing Covid to Polio are absolute morons. Unless your thinking "If everyone is vaccinated the COVID will disappear".....which still makes you a moron.

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 09/17/2021 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by: OBX What if its the vaccinated causing the spread?
It's not. Vaccinated people are less likely to get infected and those that do have a shorter infectious period.
why is the rate of infection higher now, when more of the populace is vaccinated, then last year when there was no vaccine available?
Different behavior. Everybody took off their masks and went back to the restaurants, theaters, etc... Right at the same time that a more contagious variant came along.
Even more interesting, the rate of infection is higher, yet the deaths are lower?
Younger cohort of infected since the oldsters have the highest vaccination rate, most of the people that are catching it are under 65 now. And treatments have improved.
and we're learning how to treat it? (Which the latter would negate the cry out for vaccines, no?)
Learning how to treat it doesn't negate the need to vaccinate. Not when, for example, Parrish Medical Centers had one covid death in June, four in July, and 50 in August and its president is on the radio almost every day begging people to get vaccinated and telling the world how bad it is for his burned out employees. Better treatment doesn't seem to be helping overwhelmed hospitals anywhere right now.

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Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: OBX What if its the vaccinated causing the spread?
It's not. Vaccinated people are less likely to get infected and those that do have a shorter infectious period.
why is the rate of infection higher now, when more of the populace is vaccinated, then last year when there was no vaccine available?
Different behavior. Everybody took off their masks and went back to the restaurants, theaters, etc... Right at the same time that a more contagious variant came along.
Even more interesting, the rate of infection is higher, yet the deaths are lower?
Younger cohort of infected since the oldsters have the highest vaccination rate, most of the people that are catching it are under 65 now. And treatments have improved.
and we're learning how to treat it? (Which the latter would negate the cry out for vaccines, no?)
Learning how to treat it doesn't negate the need to vaccinate. Not when, for example, Parrish Medical Centers had one covid death in June, four in July, and 50 in August and its president is on the radio almost every day begging people to get vaccinated and telling the world how bad it is for his burned out employees. Better treatment doesn't seem to be helping overwhelmed hospitals anywhere right now.
Ok, so you're attributing the increase in infection rate because of behavior. Thats fair. Then we should see a drastic difference in infection per 1000 between states like Florida (who has been open) and California (who has been locked down), right? And if there is no difference, or minimal at best. Pretty much kills that hypothesis, no? But again, the topic is too stop demonizing and blaming people who choose not to get vaccinated because you are afraid. You're being manipulated to do so, just another topic to drive in the wedge.....

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Originally posted by: OBX What if its the vaccinated causing the spread?
It isn't. But you think it is or you wouldn't be JAQing off like this.
And causing these beds to fill up? Here's a question, why is the rate of infection higher now, when more of the populace is vaccinated, then last year when there was no vaccine available? Even more interesting, the rate of infection is higher, yet the deaths are lower? Is it possible the answer is the vaccinated are spreading it, and we're learning how to treat it? (Which the latter would negate the cry out for vaccines, no?)
This gets you labelled anti-vaxx. You are dealing in unsubstantiated What-Ifs that you seek so support your position while you ignore data. Then when you are presented with numbers in rates you come back with absolute numbers from population of very different sizes. You are dealing in what-ifs and insults so that drives how people respond to you.

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Most taking the regeneron monoclonal are vaccinated, jfyi... Vax injuries filled holmes d-dimer testing and chest xray lab mid august, they are coded unvaxed because within 2 weeks. So many games with stats kill trust and integrity of info. Since they are all experimental jabs anyhow why not post all of the data.

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So, you're saying that fewer than 5% of covid cases (the vaccinated) are recieving greater than 50% ("most", your statement) of the available experimental Regeron treatments? Sounds like a triage conspiracy of epic proportion. Are climate scientists involved?

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Originally posted by: TONYlookaround

Most taking the regeneron monoclonal are vaccinated, jfyi... Vax injuries filled holmes d-dimer testing and chest xray lab mid august, they are coded unvaxed because within 2 weeks. So many games with stats kill trust and integrity of info. Since they are all experimental jabs anyhow why not post all of the data.


This is all fake meme and twitter BS. Debunked over and over.
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Your friends and family are not going to be able to work, shop, travel, go out to eat.. Because the mandate does not take their medical state into account when requiring Everybody to take the vaccine....
Can you point me to that "mandate"? It doesn't exist. It's a plan. The Executive Order effects civil servants "subject to such exceptions as required by law". Exec Order Good grief, what a lot of "but what if".

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"If you're vaccinated, why are you so concerned about me?"

I'm not. I don't think these other guys are either. Go lick the mirror in a bus station bathroom, knock yourself out.

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The ignorance is tiring
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

The ignorance is tiring


No kidding, some think it is only about them.
I care because I have family who can't get vaccinated yet. I care because i have friends who have complications that prevent them from getting the vaccine. I care because there are people who we may or may not know who will die from this needlessly.

As was mentioned, surgeries are being postponed because the the hospitals being loaded with covid. I talked to my ortho guy about doing some repairs to a shoulder and he recommended that I wait until this covid thing blows over. Well, that was last year. I'm not in the hurt locker and can wait this out, but others are and shouldn't wait.

If only we had a vaccine to reduce the deaths, sickness, and take the stress off the hospitals....

It is about being a good citizen and caring about others.




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Originally posted by: Bamboo
Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover The ignorance is tiring
No kidding, some think it is only about them. I care because I have family who can't get vaccinated yet. I care because i have friends who have complications that prevent them from getting the vaccine. I care because there are people who we may or may not know who will die from this needlessly. As was mentioned, surgeries are being postponed because the the hospitals being loaded with covid. I talked to my ortho guy about doing some repairs to a shoulder and he recommended that I wait until this covid thing blows over. Well, that was last year. I'm not in the hurt locker and can wait this out, but others are and shouldn't wait. If only we had a vaccine to reduce the deaths, sickness, and take the stress off the hospitals.... It is about being a good citizen and caring about others.
Yes, "the common good" Where have I heard that before? The stupidity in thinking this current spread, is solely because of the unvaccinated, combined with you thinking fear is virtue, only cements the fact you're being psychologically manipulated. I feel like there is a saying about this, "Those who give up liberty in the name of safety deserve neither" or something like that. Almost like out Founding Fathers new of this tactic to impose tyranny.

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I bet you all loved the Patriot Act, too, huh? I mean, why not give up the 4th amendment if it'll stop another terrorist attack, am I right?

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Hey qotard because you get other people sick.
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Thanks Bamboo
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The selfishness too.
"Patriots"
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

The selfishness too.

"Patriots"


I agree.

Lots of selfishness, mostly from the so-called "pro life" party

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It is a self destructive selfishness too. Just like dumping sewage in the lake. Yeah, it is cheaper for you to get rid of your crap that way but if a lot of people behave like that then it ruins the lake for everybody. This kind of communal dilemma is a sort of "Tragedy of the Commons".

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Originally posted by: Pagerow

Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover



The selfishness too.



"Patriots"




I agree.



Lots of selfishness, mostly from the so-called "pro life" party


AMEN. if you are pro life, you should be Pro Vaccine.
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Originally posted by: sandi
Originally posted by: Pagerow
Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover The selfishness too. "Patriots"
I agree. Lots of selfishness, mostly from the so-called "pro life" party
AMEN. if you are pro life, you should be Pro Vaccine.
And if you're pro choice you should be pro choice, no? Aint identity politics fun!!!!

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Rural panhandle FL currently has 1/1000 daily new case rate. Very densely population SF Bay area has 0.15/1000. Rural NE California currently looks like rural Florida counties. LA County is at 0.18/1000 and Brevard is at 0.61/1000. People are wearing masks again in Publix and such so I think vigilance might help us trend back down.

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Originally posted by: scombrid Rural panhandle FL currently has 1/1000 daily new case rate. Very densely population SF Bay area has 0.15/1000. Rural NE California currently looks like rural Florida counties. LA County is at 0.18/1000 and Brevard is at 0.61/1000. People are wearing masks again in Publix and such so I think vigilance might help us trend back down.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/california Where did you get your numbers? According to this source, LA has a 7-day average of 1510 new cases compared to MIA at 1,374. But that is tainting the impact of "behavior influence" because its bringing in population density/numbers to the equation. Again, if what you are saying is true, and the increase in infection rate this year is due to behaviors, we should see that manifest itself in the numbers between "open" states/countries and "locked down" states/countries. Both last year and this year. But we don't unless we cherry pick. The truth is, there isn't much difference at all, certainly not drastic enough for you to willing give up your rights.

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So Dade Co., half the size and 1/3 of the population of LA Co., has the same number of infection . Hmm.

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Originally posted by: OBX
Originally posted by: scombrid Rural panhandle FL currently has 1/1000 daily new case rate. Very densely population SF Bay area has 0.15/1000. Rural NE California currently looks like rural Florida counties. LA County is at 0.18/1000 and Brevard is at 0.61/1000. People are wearing masks again in Publix and such so I think vigilance might help us trend back down.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/california Where did you get your numbers? According to this source, LA has a 7-day average of 1510 new cases compared to MIA at 1,374. But that is tainting the impact of "behavior influence" because its bringing in population density/numbers to the equation. Again, if what you are saying is true, and the increase in infection rate this year is due to behaviors, we should see that manifest itself in the numbers between "open" states/countries and "locked down" states/countries. Both last year and this year. But we don't unless we cherry pick. The truth is, there isn't much difference at all, certainly not drastic enough for you to willing give up your rights.
Rates? Notice I supplied rate per 1,000 people. Miami-Dade is at 0.5 and LA County is at 0.18. They have one thing in common, dense immigrant pops living in multi-generational households working service sector jobs and lots of exposure risk and at-home transmission risk. That is driving numbers up in both places but LA is better than south Florida and the rural interior California counties are rocketing up like the Panhandle FL counties. LA had a terrible time last winter when everybody said "F it" and went to Christmas parties but it is beating Florida by a mile now.

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To answer the fist question, you know very well barrister that assault charges, rather than amputation, are provided. Criminalize the unvaccinated? It does follow.

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To make this surf relevant, surfers would need to participate. Surfing is a choice. Covid is a communicable disease. Not even apples and oranges. Your poor vax choices endanger the elderly, children and the infirmed, regardless of their choices. Two poor analogies in a row.

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I'd like to see some vaccinated folks suing the unvaxxed for endangerment.

Makes sense.

and after what we've just seen in Texas, dotards should have no problem with it, right?

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I'm with Rusty on this one, lick away.

I'm tired of dealing with the afraid, the blame pushers and the all-together shitty people.

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I suppose there were idiots who chose not to take the polio vaccine. We can see how stupid those people look today. End of the day - vax/unvax IDGAF, but when you get sick, please stay out of the hospitals.

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The humor here is the juxtaposition of the OPs post and signature. Friday!

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Originally posted by: OBX -So your chance of survival increased from the current 98.4% to even a higher percentage?
Measles has a case fatality rate of 1 or 2 per 1,000. Should we stop vaccinating against that?

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They seem to have a problem comprehending that their freedom to swing their fists ends at the extent of the next person's body.

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Originally posted by: scombrid They seem to have a problem comprehending that their freedom to swing their fists ends at the extent of the next person's body.
But they're vaccinated!!! Here comes that circle logic again! No answer to my question about the "coincidence" of an increase spread amongst a more vaccinated populace versus a non-vaccinated one? Hows Israel been doing?

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Nothing in life is 100%, but death and taxes.

But if you don't TRY... that's on you.

An Alabama couple who trashed vaccines on their YouTube channel died from COVID-19 within three weeks of each other

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Originally posted by: Pagerow Nothing in life is 100%, but death and taxes. But if you don't TRY... that's on you. An Alabama couple who trashed vaccines on their YouTube channel died from COVID-19 within three weeks of each other
They choose not to get vaccinated and died. Their choice, and judging by the amount of bigotry espoused on this page, I'm surprised Rusty, 1974, and the rest of the bunch haven't espoused their joy in that fact. Because, you know, they care.....

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Originally posted by: OBX No answer to my question about the "coincidence" of an increase spread amongst a more vaccinated populace versus a non-vaccinated one?
I answered it on the prior page.
Hows Israel been doing?
Israel's test positivity rate is way below ours and the death rate lower than that. Breakthrough infections happen. You know you can still get smallpox or measles if vaccinated? Recent Brookings writeup on Israel.

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Originally posted by: scombrid They seem to have a problem comprehending that their freedom to swing their fists ends at the extent of the next person's body.
Sometime, but not always. But let's say that you are correct. Should we, then, amputate everyone's fist?

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Let's make it relevant to a surfing forum. Anyone here ever gotten a fin cut? Most have, I am thinking. Does everyone have Proteck fins? If you gash yourself badly and did not have Protecks, should we laugh at you, say you had it coming, and rejoice in your injury? Does everyone here always wear a leash? Doesn't freedom to surf leashless stop at the other guy's head?

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Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: OBX -So your chance of survival increased from the current 98.4% to even a higher percentage?
Measles has a case fatality rate of 1 or 2 per 1,000. Should we stop vaccinating against that?
Scom, I forgot how much you like to dodge questions. Nowhere am I saying to stop getting vaccinated. If your over 65 in the high risk category, absolutely. I'm saying stop making others do what YOU think is right and let the INDIVIDUAL make their own decisions. You know, lets pretend where still in America. But to answer your question, you do you.

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Originally posted by: OBX
Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: OBX -So your chance of survival increased from the current 98.4% to even a higher percentage?
Measles has a case fatality rate of 1 or 2 per 1,000. Should we stop vaccinating against that?
Scom, I forgot how much you like to dodge questions. Nowhere am I saying to stop getting vaccinated. If your over 65 in the high risk category, absolutely. I'm saying stop making others do what YOU think is right and let the INDIVIDUAL make their own decisions. You know, lets pretend where still in America. But to answer your question, you do you.
There are answered questions all over this thread and you are largely ignoring the answers. Measles vaccine is compulsory to attend most schools. I had to dig up my vax card from decades ago to register for a college class. That is why I brought it up. Your opening post called compulsory vaccination "FUCKING PATHETIC". We vaccinate for things that are a lot less deadly than this current run of Covid.

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Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: OBX
Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: OBX -So your chance of survival increased from the current 98.4% to even a higher percentage?
Measles has a case fatality rate of 1 or 2 per 1,000. Should we stop vaccinating against that?
Scom, I forgot how much you like to dodge questions. Nowhere am I saying to stop getting vaccinated. If your over 65 in the high risk category, absolutely. I'm saying stop making others do what YOU think is right and let the INDIVIDUAL make their own decisions. You know, lets pretend where still in America. But to answer your question, you do you.
There are answered questions all over this thread and you are largely ignoring the answers. Measles vaccine is compulsory to attend most schools. I had to dig up my vax card from decades ago to register for a college class. That is why I brought it up. Your opening post called compulsory vaccination "FUCKING PATHETIC". We vaccinate for things that are a lot less deadly than this current run of Covid.
Missing the point. What's FUCKING PATHETIC is sitting in your corner of fear, demonizing all the unvaxxed because YOU think they should get it regardless of the individuals personal preference.

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Blowbs it's not the vaccinated causing the shortage of beds in hospitals. It takes a minute of googling to confirm that.

Patriot Act? Huh?

Blowbs spewing

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For blowbs on his bizarre claim that the vaccinated are filling hospitals...

From FL Today today: "As of Sept.13, there were 250 COVID-19 hospitalizations in Brevard County of those 94.4% were unvaccinated, according to a Facebook posted by the Brevard County Emergency Management Office."
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I know three people who had regeneron, all unvaxxed.

I love the way they won't believe the CDC or hospitals when it comes to data, but they will believe a clinic set up at a football field.

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Bamboo: I care because I have family who can't get vaccinated yet. I care because i have friends who have complications that prevent them from getting the vaccine.

BUT... But.. Your friends and families medical conditions are not taken into account by the mandate...
Your friends and family are not going to be able to work, shop, travel, go out to eat..
Because the mandate does not take their medical state into account when requiring Everybody to take the vaccine....

THAT is the Argument AGAINST the mandated vaccination..

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OBX: And if you're pro choice you should be pro choice, no? Aint identity politics fun!!!!

HAHAHA, damn straight...

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The argument against vaccines is from dimwit/halfwit bitches. Hey nobodyelse that's you! Vaccines work.
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Straight from the CDC:
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson's Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of September 8, 2021, more than 14.5 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 46 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 362 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it's unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event - blood clots with low platelets - which has caused deaths

Thrombosis is a rare effect from the vax. There is no way Holmes was filled with "Vax injuries". LOL Unless you somehow think all 48 cases were in Brevard lol

As far as dying from the vaccine you have just as much of a chance as being attacked by a shark surfing or being struck by lightning.

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Tom: you know very well barrister that assault charges, rather than amputation, are provided. Criminalize the unvaccinated?

Swinging a fist could be a criminal charge even if the fist does not make contact.
And the analogy is backward
The unvaccinated ARE NOT even swinging a fist, it is the vaccinated who are threatening the unvaccinated, not the other way round...
The vaccinated are threatening the unvaccinated with loss of job, restrictions on their freedoms, and now criminalization?
And they are threatening them, not with a fist that stops at the other persons face but with a shot that invades their very person...

The unvaccinated are threatening nobody.
That somebody might get sick is NOT a reason, in America, to Criminalize them..

This disease has been in America for 21 months,
It is the most infectious thing to hit America in over a century
AND yet only 13% of Americans have been infected...
For you to claim that everybody not vaccinated is a criminal or that they should be treated like criminals is the ultimate fear mongering..

Take Bamboos Friends and family, they cannot get the vaccine and yet you advocate their being criminalized...
It Does Follow...

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Greensleeves: FL Today today: "As of Sept.13, there were 250 COVID-19 hospitalizations in Brevard County of those 94.4% were unvaccinated, according to a Facebook posted by the Brevard County Emergency Management Office

OMG 250 cases, call out the national guard
Throw the unvaccinated in Jail.
Close all the schools,
Shut down business's, restaurants and sporting events...
FEAR, Fire, Death, Emergency..
For GODS SAKE SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!!!!!

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Originally posted by: somebodyelse

Greensleeves: FL Today today: "As of Sept.13, there were 250 COVID-19 hospitalizations in Brevard County of those 94.4% were unvaccinated, according to a Facebook posted by the Brevard County Emergency Management Office



OMG 250 cases, call out the national guard

Throw the unvaccinated in Jail.

1. Close all the schools,

Shut down business's, restaurants and sporting events...

FEAR, Fire, Death, Emergency..

2. For GODS SAKE SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!!!!!


1. Mask mandate in Brevard schools has lowered quarantine numbers exponentially.

2. Like wear a mask indoors and get vaccinated or something?
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Tom: Can you point me to that mandate.
California: Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) ended the stay-at-home order on June 15. The state health department has ordered all unvaccinated individuals age 2 and over to wear a mask in indoor public spaces and businesses. Regardless of their vaccination status, the Los Angeles County health department has ordered individuals age 2 and up to wear masks in indoor public settings within its jurisdiction (including public gatherings and in public and private businesses) On Aug. 5, the health department issued an order that requires employees and health care workers to show proof of COVID-19 vaccination or submit to regular testing (once a week). The order also applies to employees who work in high-risk congregate settings, such as jails and senior residential facilities. On Aug. 11, the health department issued an order that requires school staff to be vaccinated or submit to weekly testing
. Colorado: Fully reopened. Individuals 12 and up who are not fully vaccinated must wear a mask indoors in certain settings, such as health care facilities and prisons. Everyone 2 and older must wear a mask when using public transportation, regardless of vaccination status. On Aug. 30, the health board voted to pass a vaccine mandate for health care workers. Workers must be vaccinated by Oct. 31
Connecticut: Gov. Ned Lamont (D) lifted most business restrictions on May 19. He extended through Sept. 30 an order that requires unvaccinated individuals to wear a mask in indoor public spaces. On Aug. 19, Lamont signed an order that mandates COVID-19 vaccines for state employees. Workers must be vaccinated on or before Sept. 27.
. Delaware: Fully reopened. Gov. John Carney (D) announced that employees of the state, long-term care homes and health care facilities must show proof of vaccination by Sept. 30 or submit to weekly testing. Employees and visitors to state facilities must wear a mask
District of Columbia: Fully reopened. Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) reinstated a mask mandate, effective 5 a.m. July 31. Individuals over age 2 must wear a mask in public indoor spaces, regardless of vaccination status. On Aug. 16, Bowser announced that health care workers must receive one dose of the vaccine by Sept. 30. Previously, she announced state employees who work in agencies that report to her must be fully vaccinated by Sept. 19
Hawaii A statewide mandate requires individuals 5 and older to wear a face mask in indoor public settings. Masks are not required outdoors. As of Aug. 16, state employees must show proof of vaccination or undergo regular testing.
. Illinois: Fully reopened. On Aug. 26, Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D) issued an order requiring health care workers to be fully vaccinated within 30 days of the order or submit to regular testing. State employees at congregate facilities must be fully vaccinated by Oct.
. Louisiana: Fully reopened. Gov. John Bel Edwards (D) extended a mask mandate until Sept. 29. Individuals 5 and up must wear masks in indoor places other than their private residences. New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell announced individuals 12 and up must provide proof of vaccination or a negative PCR test for entry into indoor activities, such as dining, gyms and entertainment centers, as well as at outdoor events with more than 500 people
Maryland The health department ordered state employees who work in congregate settings to be vaccinated by Sept. 1 or submit to regular testing. A similar mandate applies to nursing home and hospital employees
. Massachusetts: Fully reopened. Gov. Charlie Baker (R) announced long-term care providers and home care workers are among those who must be vaccinated by Oct. 31. Mayor Kim Janey announced an indoor mask mandate in public settings within the city of Boston. Effective at 8 a.m. on Aug. 27, it applies to all individuals older than 2, regardless of vaccination status
. New York: Fully reopened. Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) announced mask requirements for state-regulated child care, mental health and addiction facilities. Individuals 2 and up must wear a mask in those places regardless of vaccination status. On July 28, former Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced that state employees must show proof of vaccination or submit to regular testing. The mandate was set to go into effect Sept. 6, but Hochul pushed that date to Oct. 12. On Aug. 4, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced that individuals won't be allowed to enter indoor restaurants, gyms or entertainment facilities without proof that they have gotten at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. De Blasio said enforcement will begin Sept. 13. Statewide, unvaccinated individuals must wear a mask in indoor and outdoor public spaces if a 6-foot distance between others cannot be maintained.

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Greensleeves: The argument against vaccines is from dimwit/halfwit bitches

Bamboo: I care because I have family who can't get vaccinated yet. I care because i have friends who have complications that prevent them from getting the vaccine

Greenass, The fact that you do NOT understand the argument and do not know who is making the argument only shows your ignorance.
There are people who CANNOT TAKE THE VACCINE,
Dumbasses like yourself do not take those people into account when forcing your FEARs on OTHER Peoples medical decisions...

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Calling people scared while advocating for people being irrationally scared of getting a vaccine. Classic.
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Hap: 1. Mask mandate in Brevard schools has lowered quarantine numbers exponentially

You need to get back on track with the rest of the brainwashed.
Haven't you heard, school kids are filling the ICUs
Children are filling the hospitals and forcing heart patients to die at holmes...

IF mask mandates have lowered infections exponentially,
Why would anybody mandate a vaccine??? The masks must work exponentially well..
If you are sick, isolate yourself.
If you are susceptible protect yourself.




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I get a report from schools daily quarantines notices have decrease from every day to once a week. Vax lowers chance of death from covid by a large percentage and it also aids in herd immunity. It worked well for schools when mandated for:
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see any catastrophic curtailments for the unvaxed within those state issued "mandates". Each has reasonable provisions for those who are unable to be vaccinated, none draconian. Edit: Rather than relying on someone else's (haha) summarization of these, I'd encourage you to read the actual language. It's available public record.

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Tom - qotards live in what if land, that's why it's impossible to have an intelligent convo with any of them. But then again qotards not very intelligent to begin with...

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Its funny too see the ones that have been programmed/brainwashed to equate supporting the choice to vaccinate, to "anti-vax", just like the narrative tells them too. Supporting the individuals choice, IS NOT THE SAME as anti-vax. The whole narrative to punish/ostracize/demean the ones who choose not to vaccinate, is nothing more then conditioning you to believe that individual rights =s to selfishness. If you let the government mandate injection of foreign substances into your body for "the common good"....whats next? Slippery slope we're on. And most of you are actually cheering it on.....like a bunch of "useful idiots."

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Originally posted by: OBX

Its funny too see the ones that have been programmed/brainwashed to equate supporting the choice to vaccinate, to "anti-vax", just like the narrative tells them too. Supporting the individuals choice, IS NOT THE SAME as anti-vax. The whole narrative to punish/ostracize/demean the ones who choose not to vaccinate, is nothing more then conditioning you to believe that individual rights =s to selfishness. If you let the government mandate injection of foreign substances into your body for "the common good"....whats next? Slippery slope we're on. And most of you are actually cheering it on.....like a bunch of "useful idiots."


Slippery slope? We've had vaccination mandates since 1809 and all of them worked. I guess George Washington was a "useful idiot".
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: OBX Its funny too see the ones that have been programmed/brainwashed to equate supporting the choice to vaccinate, to "anti-vax", just like the narrative tells them too. Supporting the individuals choice, IS NOT THE SAME as anti-vax. The whole narrative to punish/ostracize/demean the ones who choose not to vaccinate, is nothing more then conditioning you to believe that individual rights =s to selfishness. If you let the government mandate injection of foreign substances into your body for "the common good"....whats next? Slippery slope we're on. And most of you are actually cheering it on.....like a bunch of "useful idiots."
Slippery slope? We've had vaccination mandates since 1809 and all of them worked. I guess George Washington was a "useful idiot".
Such a poor attempt at justification, on so many levels. Comparing Covid to measles, polio, or all the other viruses that are completely different in terms of transmissibility and survival rate, in thinking there are actual "mandates" already on the books for vaccination, and then somehow bringing GW into the mix? Too bad mental gymnastics isn't a category in the Olympics.....you'd fair well.

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

Originally posted by: OBX



Its funny too see the ones that have been programmed/brainwashed to equate supporting the choice to vaccinate, to "anti-vax", just like the narrative tells them too. Supporting the individuals choice, IS NOT THE SAME as anti-vax. The whole narrative to punish/ostracize/demean the ones who choose not to vaccinate, is nothing more then conditioning you to believe that individual rights =s to selfishness. If you let the government mandate injection of foreign substances into your body for "the common good"....whats next? Slippery slope we're on. And most of you are actually cheering it on.....like a bunch of "useful idiots."




Slippery slope? We've had vaccination mandates since 1809 and all of them worked. I guess George Washington was a "useful idiot".


Such a poor attempt at justification, on so many levels. Comparing Covid to measles, polio, or all the other viruses that are completely different in terms of transmissibility and survival rate, in thinking there are actual "mandates" already on the books for vaccination, and then somehow bringing GW into the mix? Too bad mental gymnastics isn't a category in the Olympics.....you'd fair well.


I like the personal attacks. Such a sign of "winning". You're such a "smart" guy. SMH Morons
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Originally posted by: OBX Its funny too see the ones that have been programmed/brainwashed to equate supporting the choice to vaccinate, to "anti-vax", just like the narrative tells them too. Supporting the individuals choice, IS NOT THE SAME as anti-vax. The whole narrative to punish/ostracize/demean the ones who choose not to vaccinate, is nothing more then conditioning you to believe that individual rights =s to selfishness. If you let the government mandate injection of foreign substances into your body for "the common good"....whats next? Slippery slope we're on. And most of you are actually cheering it on.....like a bunch of "useful idiots."
Slippery slope? We've had vaccination mandates since 1809 and all of them worked. I guess George Washington was a "useful idiot".
Such a poor attempt at justification, on so many levels. Comparing Covid to measles, polio, or all the other viruses that are completely different in terms of transmissibility and survival rate, in thinking there are actual "mandates" already on the books for vaccination, and then somehow bringing GW into the mix? Too bad mental gymnastics isn't a category in the Olympics.....you'd fair well.
Tell us the survival rate of Measles. Mumps? Or case fatality rate if you prefer.

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Scom, I was going to ask him about the mortality rate of measles pre vaccine compared to Covid pre vaccine and during vaccine availability. LOL But then decided not even bother. That guy is far gone.
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Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.

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Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.


Yeah, just forget about a very aggressive and highly contagious variant while living life as usual in FL and resisting any and all efforts to get it under control...
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Originally posted by: OBX Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.
Yeah, just forget about a very aggressive and highly contagious variant while living life as usual in FL and resisting any and all efforts to get it under control...
Ah, you bring up another question everybody should be asking.....how to do they know all these "new" cases are the "new" variant when they don't even test for specific variants to begin with? NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!? Its almost like they'll tell us anything to make sure we get the jab. I mean, according to our government, the very first thing we should do if we know a hurricane is coming is to get vaccinated....EL-OH-EL... But again, want the stab, go for it, its your choice.

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Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.




Yeah, just forget about a very aggressive and highly contagious variant while living life as usual in FL and resisting any and all efforts to get it under control...


Ah, you bring up another question everybody should be asking.....how to do they know all these "new" cases are the "new" variant when they don't even test for specific variants to begin with? NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!? Its almost like they'll tell us anything to make sure we get the jab. I mean, according to our government, the very first thing we should do if we know a hurricane is coming is to get vaccinated....EL-OH-EL... But again, want the stab, go for it, its your choice.


You just make things up as you go, huh...

Just released an hour ago:
The Delta variant is detected in 99% of U.S. cases, according to C.D.C.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

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Originally posted by: OBX Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.
Yeah, just forget about a very aggressive and highly contagious variant while living life as usual in FL and resisting any and all efforts to get it under control...
Ah, you bring up another question everybody should be asking.....how to do they know all these "new" cases are the "new" variant when they don't even test for specific variants to begin with? NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!? Its almost like they'll tell us anything to make sure we get the jab. I mean, according to our government, the very first thing we should do if we know a hurricane is coming is to get vaccinated....EL-OH-EL... But again, want the stab, go for it, its your choice.
You just make things up as you go, huh... Just released an hour ago: The Delta variant is detected in 99% of U.S. cases, according to C.D.C. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions
I making it up? You have two choices right now, 1. believe what they say at face value, which is fine...."trust the experts". Or, 2. ask "How do they know that?" and dig deeper. Do you know of one single person, who tested positive, that was shown the results of the test for which variant they have? Go ahead and search "How does the CDC know what percentage is the Delta variant" and get back to me.....I'll give you a hint "No one is being diagnosed with the delta variant, or any other variant. Routine tests that individuals receive to determine whether they have COVID-19 do not reveal whether the disease was caused by the delta variant." So how do they come up with that number? There are ways to test the variants (via genome sequencing), do you think they're doing that to every positive case to come up with 99%? "Political science" is taking on a whole new definition.

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Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.








Yeah, just forget about a very aggressive and highly contagious variant while living life as usual in FL and resisting any and all efforts to get it under control...




Ah, you bring up another question everybody should be asking.....how to do they know all these "new" cases are the "new" variant when they don't even test for specific variants to begin with? NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!? Its almost like they'll tell us anything to make sure we get the jab. I mean, according to our government, the very first thing we should do if we know a hurricane is coming is to get vaccinated....EL-OH-EL... But again, want the stab, go for it, its your choice.




You just make things up as you go, huh...



Just released an hour ago:

The Delta variant is detected in 99% of U.S. cases, according to C.D.C.



https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions


I making it up? You have two choices right now, 1. believe what they say at face value, which is fine...."trust the experts". Or, 2. ask "How do they know that?" and dig deeper. Do you know of one single person, who tested positive, that was shown the results of the test for which variant they have? Go ahead and search "How does the CDC know what percentage is the Delta variant" and get back to me.....I'll give you a hint "No one is being diagnosed with the delta variant, or any other variant. Routine tests that individuals receive to determine whether they have COVID-19 do not reveal whether the disease was caused by the delta variant." So how do they come up with that number? There are ways to test the variants (via genome sequencing), do you think they're doing that to every positive case to come up with 99%? "Political science" is taking on a whole new definition.


OK you got me. I'll believe you over the CDC. Can I give my vaccines back?
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Originally posted by: OBX Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.
Yeah, just forget about a very aggressive and highly contagious variant while living life as usual in FL and resisting any and all efforts to get it under control...
Ah, you bring up another question everybody should be asking.....how to do they know all these "new" cases are the "new" variant when they don't even test for specific variants to begin with? NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!? Its almost like they'll tell us anything to make sure we get the jab. I mean, according to our government, the very first thing we should do if we know a hurricane is coming is to get vaccinated....EL-OH-EL... But again, want the stab, go for it, its your choice.
You just make things up as you go, huh... Just released an hour ago: The Delta variant is detected in 99% of U.S. cases, according to C.D.C. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions
I making it up? You have two choices right now, 1. believe what they say at face value, which is fine...."trust the experts". Or, 2. ask "How do they know that?" and dig deeper. Do you know of one single person, who tested positive, that was shown the results of the test for which variant they have? Go ahead and search "How does the CDC know what percentage is the Delta variant" and get back to me.....I'll give you a hint "No one is being diagnosed with the delta variant, or any other variant. Routine tests that individuals receive to determine whether they have COVID-19 do not reveal whether the disease was caused by the delta variant." So how do they come up with that number? There are ways to test the variants (via genome sequencing), do you think they're doing that to every positive case to come up with 99%? "Political science" is taking on a whole new definition.
OK you got me. I'll believe you over the CDC. Can I give my vaccines back?
Look, its not about "getting you" or "winning the argument". Its about getting people to at least question the narrative. Questioning leads to research, and you forming your own opinion. In the case of vaccines, everyone is different as has their own reasons for choosing to not vaccinate. Whether you agree with them or not. Like I said in the original post, forcing someone to partake in something YOU think is the answer or to placate YOUR OWN SENSE OF FEAR, IS FUCKING PATHETIC. ("You" is used generally and not directed at you personaly). Also, the Government forcing anyone to do anything against their will, is the fucking definition of tyranny. Don't you people get that!?! All throughout history tyranny was welcomed under the guise of safety and/or fear. Stop fucking welcoming it.......

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Look, its not about "getting you" or "winning the argument". Its about getting people to at least question the narrative. Questioning leads to research, and you forming your own opinion. In the case of vaccines, everyone is different as has their own reasons for choosing to not vaccinate. Whether you agree with them or not. Like I said in the original post, forcing someone to partake in something YOU think is the answer or to placate YOUR OWN SENSE OF FEAR, IS FUCKING PATHETIC. ("You" is used generally and not directed at you personaly). Also, the Government forcing anyone to do anything against their will, is the fucking definition of tyranny. Don't you people get that!?! All throughout history tyranny was welcomed under the guise of safety and/or fear. Stop fucking welcoming it.......
These people questioning the narrative? Really? Ain't going to happen. If they didn't have the narrative, they'd have no ability to even discuss these topics. These aren't thinking animals.

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Originally posted by: tpapablo
Look, its not about "getting you" or "winning the argument". Its about getting people to at least question the narrative. Questioning leads to research, and you forming your own opinion. In the case of vaccines, everyone is different as has their own reasons for choosing to not vaccinate. Whether you agree with them or not. Like I said in the original post, forcing someone to partake in something YOU think is the answer or to placate YOUR OWN SENSE OF FEAR, IS FUCKING PATHETIC. ("You" is used generally and not directed at you personaly). Also, the Government forcing anyone to do anything against their will, is the fucking definition of tyranny. Don't you people get that!?! All throughout history tyranny was welcomed under the guise of safety and/or fear. Stop fucking welcoming it.......
These people questioning the narrative? Really? Ain't going to happen. If they didn't have the narrative, they'd have no ability to even discuss these topics. These aren't thinking animals.
Thus the term...."useful idiots". I mean, on one hand they complain about the "rich getting richer while the poor get poorer", yet their views/opinions are literally in lockstep with every major corporation, media outlet, Hollywood, and World Governments and will even sacrifice their own rights in the name of the narrative. They sure are useful to those they are against....without even understanding it. Idiots......

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Originally posted by: OBX
Originally posted by: tpapablo
Look, its not about "getting you" or "winning the argument". Its about getting people to at least question the narrative. Questioning leads to research, and you forming your own opinion. In the case of vaccines, everyone is different as has their own reasons for choosing to not vaccinate. Whether you agree with them or not. Like I said in the original post, forcing someone to partake in something YOU think is the answer or to placate YOUR OWN SENSE OF FEAR, IS FUCKING PATHETIC. ("You" is used generally and not directed at you personaly). Also, the Government forcing anyone to do anything against their will, is the fucking definition of tyranny. Don't you people get that!?! All throughout history tyranny was welcomed under the guise of safety and/or fear. Stop fucking welcoming it.......
These people questioning the narrative? Really? Ain't going to happen. If they didn't have the narrative, they'd have no ability to even discuss these topics. These aren't thinking animals.
Thus the term...."useful idiots". I mean, on one hand they complain about the "rich getting richer while the poor get poorer", yet their views/opinions are literally in lockstep with every major corporation, media outlet, Hollywood, and World Governments and will even sacrifice their own rights in the name of the narrative. They sure are useful to those they are against....without even understanding it. Idiots......
I wouldn't call them useful idiots. Useless idiots is the more apt description.

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Thus the term...."useful idiots". I mean, on one hand they complain about the "rich getting richer while the poor get poorer", yet their views/opinions are literally in lockstep with every major corporation, media outlet, Hollywood, and World Governments and will even sacrifice their own rights in the name of the narrative. They sure are useful to those they are against....without even understanding it. Idiots......


Says the guy that religiously voted for Trump, with Trump being one of the biggest corporate whores in the world.

Do you think these guys spin in circles before they type? I mean, there has to be some explanation for their disoriented blathering.

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Originally posted by: OBX
Originally posted by: tpapablo
Look, its not about "getting you" or "winning the argument". Its about getting people to at least question the narrative. Questioning leads to research, and you forming your own opinion. In the case of vaccines, everyone is different as has their own reasons for choosing to not vaccinate. Whether you agree with them or not. Like I said in the original post, forcing someone to partake in something YOU think is the answer or to placate YOUR OWN SENSE OF FEAR, IS FUCKING PATHETIC. ("You" is used generally and not directed at you personaly). Also, the Government forcing anyone to do anything against their will, is the fucking definition of tyranny. Don't you people get that!?! All throughout history tyranny was welcomed under the guise of safety and/or fear. Stop fucking welcoming it.......
These people questioning the narrative? Really? Ain't going to happen. If they didn't have the narrative, they'd have no ability to even discuss these topics. These aren't thinking animals.
Thus the term...."useful idiots". I mean, on one hand they complain about the "rich getting richer while the poor get poorer", yet their views/opinions are literally in lockstep with every major corporation, media outlet, Hollywood, and World Governments and will even sacrifice their own rights in the name of the narrative. They sure are useful to those they are against....without even understanding it. Idiots......
Every major corporation eh? Who did Trump tap to head DOE? Commerce? Treasury? EPA? and on and on???

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Originally posted by: tpapablo
Look, its not about "getting you" or "winning the argument". Its about getting people to at least question the narrative. Questioning leads to research, and you forming your own opinion. In the case of vaccines, everyone is different as has their own reasons for choosing to not vaccinate. Whether you agree with them or not. Like I said in the original post, forcing someone to partake in something YOU think is the answer or to placate YOUR OWN SENSE OF FEAR, IS FUCKING PATHETIC. ("You" is used generally and not directed at you personaly). Also, the Government forcing anyone to do anything against their will, is the fucking definition of tyranny. Don't you people get that!?! All throughout history tyranny was welcomed under the guise of safety and/or fear. Stop fucking welcoming it.......
These people questioning the narrative? Really? Ain't going to happen. If they didn't have the narrative, they'd have no ability to even discuss these topics. These aren't thinking animals.
You are supporting someone that believes that vaccines make people infectious.

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CDC Variant Tracking Methods Here's how Washington State is doing it.

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Since Biden's idiotic speech on vaccination, less people are getting vaccinated than they were before. I guess that people are less likely to follow the ravings of a senile fool than they did in the good, old days. Only progs seem susceptible to that anymore.

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Since Biden's idiotic speech on vaccination, less people are getting vaccinated than they were before. I guess that people are less likely to follow the ravings of a senile fool than they did in the good, old days. Only progs seem susceptible to that anymore.


More than 775,000 per day.

369 million in total as of September 20th.

I love the way you try to blame Biden for your fear of getting the vaccine. Project much?


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Here is how they know what variant proportions are in the population. No your individual test isn't likely to be sequenced.

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Originally posted by: scombrid Here is how they know what variant proportions are in the population. No your individual test isn't likely to be sequenced.
Variant tracking. OBX says 'they' don't do this though.

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Originally posted by: OBX NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!?
Per NPR reporting of FDA and CDC data this morning. Pfizer is still ~70 to 80 percent effective at 6 months and Moderna is still better than 90% effective.

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NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!?


Per NPR reporting of FDA and CDC data this morning. Pfizer is still ~70 to 80 percent effective at 6 months and Moderna is still better than 90% effective.


He's talking about the MU variant and apparently it's resistant to all vaccines, stay with us

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Originally posted by: Lunchmeat
Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: OBX NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!?
Per NPR reporting of FDA and CDC data this morning. Pfizer is still ~70 to 80 percent effective at 6 months and Moderna is still better than 90% effective.
He's talking about the MU variant and apparently it's resistant to all vaccines, stay with us
He said "they" don't do variant testing so how do you know?

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NO ONE FINDS IT WEIRD THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD THIS NEW VARIANT IS MORE DEADLY, CONTAGIOUS, AND THOSE VACCINATED ARE NOT IMMUNE TO IT WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN DO/REPORT VARIANT TESTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!?


Per NPR reporting of FDA and CDC data this morning. Pfizer is still ~70 to 80 percent effective at 6 months and Moderna is still better than 90% effective.


He's talking about the MU variant and apparently it's resistant to all vaccines, stay with us

He said "they" don't do variant testing so how do you know?


I asked my primary care physician how someone knows if they have one of the variants and he said that you don't know because no one is testing for it.

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Hospital test for it.

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Originally posted by: OBX Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.
Only half the population is vaccinated at the start of the Delta spread. They represent >90% of the hospitalized covid cases and deaths. The spread coincided with CDC guidance saying that vaccinated people didn't need to mask in the presence of other vaccinated people. Suddenly nobody had masks in stores, at work, etc... So people got really careless. Maybe you can explain why the only counties with >100 daily new cases per 100,000 residents are the counties with the lowest vaccination rates? Or explain why every hospital system that is going into crisis care mode is begging the populations in their service areas to get vaccinated? I don't need propaganda to know that someone that refuses to deal in population level rates is wrong. I don't need propaganda to tell me that Ivermectin is not passing clinical muster as a therapeutic or a preventive. There was an in vitro study where huge cellular concentrations of the stuff inhibited viral replication. The problem is that the dose required to get that concentration in a whole person would likely be very harmful to the recipient. The safe doses of ivermectin aren't touching covid.

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Originally posted by: OBX Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.
This vaccine was not designed to give 100% immunity from the virus, rather it's goal - through either antibodies or memory cells depending - is to prevent serious effects of the disease. So yes vaccinated people can get the virus and for a very short period of time shed AKA spread it, which yes is occurring now and of course magnified by society's change in behavior. That's the whole point of heard immunity: if we're all vaxed the virus kinda loses its hosts as yeah we can be infected but the window to spread is very minimal so it just doesn't really spread but but but if there is unvaxed people in the equation not only do they get ill and fill up ICU beds but they shed for a longgggg time like 2 weeks depending on viral load. So that's the point: if we're all vaxed think each person that has it just passes to one days worth of contacts, but if not each person that has it passes to 14 days... If you understand maths, compare the graph of Y = X with Y = exponential of 14x...

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Originally posted by: surferclimber

Originally posted by: OBX

Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.


This vaccine was not designed to give 100% immunity from the virus, rather it's goal - through either antibodies or memory cells depending - is to prevent serious effects of the disease. So yes vaccinated people can get the virus and for a very short period of time shed AKA spread it, which yes is occurring now and of course magnified by society's change in behavior.
That's the whole point of heard immunity: if we're all vaxed the virus kinda loses its hosts as yeah we can be infected but the window to spread is very minimal so it just doesn't really spread but but but if there is unvaxed people in the equation not only do they get ill and fill up ICU beds but they shed for a longgggg time like 2 weeks depending on viral load. So that's the point: if we're all vaxed think each person that has it just passes to one days worth of contacts, but if not each person that has it passes to 14 days... If you understand maths, compare the graph of Y = X with Y = exponential of 14x...


Wish everyone here could respond like this, good post

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I'm sure you'd like people to hold your hand and go out of their way to slowly explain and walk you through everything in life

But this is old, obvious news that has been explained to dullards over and over both here and everywhere else ad nauseam.

To be supplying you with "posts like this" at this late point in the game is not our problem, responsibility or interest.

If you're not with it by now, you've pretty much missed the train and it's not worth expending any energy on you other than to entertain ourselves.

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Originally posted by: Lunchmeat

Originally posted by: surferclimber

Originally posted by: OBX

Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.


This vaccine was not designed to give 100% immunity from the virus, rather it's goal - through either antibodies or memory cells depending - is to prevent serious effects of the disease. So yes vaccinated people can get the virus and for a very short period of time shed AKA spread it, which yes is occurring now and of course magnified by society's change in behavior.

That's the whole point of heard immunity: if we're all vaxed the virus kinda loses its hosts as yeah we can be infected but the window to spread is very minimal so it just doesn't really spread but but but if there is unvaxed people in the equation not only do they get ill and fill up ICU beds but they shed for a longgggg time like 2 weeks depending on viral load. So that's the point: if we're all vaxed think each person that has it just passes to one days worth of contacts, but if not each person that has it passes to 14 days... If you understand maths, compare the graph of Y = X with Y = exponential of 14x...


Wish everyone here could respond like this, good post



Yet, you pull stinky salami from your dirty lunchbox and say that the fact that Dr. Fauci and his wiFe happen to both be professionals in the same US Government administration is a wicked and obvious direct line to the introduction of Covid to the USA.

Yeah, dude, I wish Datardism would go away.



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Originally posted by: surferclimber

Originally posted by: OBX

Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.


This vaccine was not designed to give 100% immunity from the virus, rather it's goal - through either antibodies or memory cells depending - is to prevent serious effects of the disease. So yes vaccinated people can get the virus and for a very short period of time shed AKA spread it, which yes is occurring now and of course magnified by society's change in behavior.
That's the whole point of heard immunity: if we're all vaxed the virus kinda loses its hosts as yeah we can be infected but the window to spread is very minimal so it just doesn't really spread but but but if there is unvaxed people in the equation not only do they get ill and fill up ICU beds but they shed for a longgggg time like 2 weeks depending on viral load. So that's the point: if we're all vaxed think each person that has it just passes to one days worth of contacts, but if not each person that has it passes to 14 days... If you understand maths, compare the graph of Y = X with Y = exponential of 14x...


Or maybe most people that are vaxxed maintain proper social distance and wear masks and are not the ones passing covid around, the unvaxxed that are not doing so are spreading it. Seems more likely.
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If you understand maths,
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

Originally posted by: surferclimber



Originally posted by: OBX



Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.




This vaccine was not designed to give 100% immunity from the virus, rather it's goal - through either antibodies or memory cells depending - is to prevent serious effects of the disease. So yes vaccinated people can get the virus and for a very short period of time shed AKA spread it, which yes is occurring now and of course magnified by society's change in behavior.

That's the whole point of heard immunity: if we're all vaxed the virus kinda loses its hosts as yeah we can be infected but the window to spread is very minimal so it just doesn't really spread but but but if there is unvaxed people in the equation not only do they get ill and fill up ICU beds but they shed for a longgggg time like 2 weeks depending on viral load. So that's the point: if we're all vaxed think each person that has it just passes to one days worth of contacts, but if not each person that has it passes to 14 days... If you understand maths, compare the graph of Y = X with Y = exponential of 14x...




Or maybe most people that are vaxxed maintain proper social distance and wear masks and are not the ones passing covid around, the unvaxxed that are not doing so are spreading it. Seems more likely.


BULLSHIT.

The actual facts prove otherwise.

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Originally posted by: surferclimber
Originally posted by: OBX Florida has a higher infection rate this year, with more people vaccinated, then last year when no one vaccinated. FACT. Scom would say its because of "behaviors," Could be, except Florida has been open pretty much this whole time. So I don't think that would attribute to such an increase. If we were pure about this, we would admit that the only major variable this time around is the introduction of the "vaccine." I'm not saying 100% it is the cause, certainly is plausible though. However, you all seem to be 100% its not the cause.....the only reason one could come to such certainty and/or dismiss the plausible scenario without even entertaining the thought, is nothing but a result of propaganda driven bigotry. Keep on swallowing the narrative....without question. This way you can sneer at those that do, applaud the censorship of the dissent, and be the useful idiot.
This vaccine was not designed to give 100% immunity from the virus, rather it's goal - through either antibodies or memory cells depending - is to prevent serious effects of the disease. So yes vaccinated people can get the virus and for a very short period of time shed AKA spread it, which yes is occurring now and of course magnified by society's change in behavior. That's the whole point of heard immunity: if we're all vaxed the virus kinda loses its hosts as yeah we can be infected but the window to spread is very minimal so it just doesn't really spread but but but if there is unvaxed people in the equation not only do they get ill and fill up ICU beds but they shed for a longgggg time like 2 weeks depending on viral load. So that's the point: if we're all vaxed think each person that has it just passes to one days worth of contacts, but if not each person that has it passes to 14 days... If you understand maths, compare the graph of Y = X with Y = exponential of 14x...
Ding!!!!! Did anyone who received the vaccination also receive instructions to self quarantine after both doses (or any for that matter)? Could it possibly be that its BOTH the Vaccinated people are spreading AND behavioral? Problem with your last statement about "herd immunity" is you are assuming that only humans are a viable host. Unfortunately, they are not, and therefore COVID is never going away.

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Originally posted by: OBX Ding!!!!! Did anyone who received the vaccination also receive instructions to self quarantine after both doses (or any for that matter)?.
Why would that be reasonable? The vaccine doesn't make someone infectious. The vaccine mimics the virus and stimulates the production of antibodies. You can't catch a virus from somebody's antibodies.

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Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: OBX Ding!!!!! Did anyone who received the vaccination also receive instructions to self quarantine after both doses (or any for that matter)?.
Why would that be reasonable? The vaccine doesn't make someone infectious. The vaccine mimics the virus and stimulates the production of antibodies. You can't catch a virus from somebody's antibodies.
Scom, you are wrong. When initially vaccinated, you can spread it. Look it up. Love the responses from the rest of the clowns....just keep proving the point of how idiotic you all are. Classic

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You spread it after receiving the vaccine only if you actually have Covid, not because you got the vaccination.

Search something like "are you contagious after getting the covid vaccine".

"The authorized vaccines do not contain the Covid-19 virus, and you cannot develop Covid-19 from the vaccines. Therefore, the vaccines cannot make you contagious with Covid-19 to anyone you come into contact with.

But it does take time for the vaccines to reach their full protection effects. It's possible to be separately infected with the virus just before or just after vaccination and get sick.

That's why wearing masks, social distancing, practicing hand hygiene and avoiding large gatherings remain essential after getting vaccinated."


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^yep^. No way to get Covid, the virus, from the US vaccines. This is exactly the problem of misinformation.

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Originally posted by: tom

^yep^. No way to get Covid, the virus, from the US vaccines. This is exactly the problem of misinformation.


I will provide the more crass version: For fuck's sake.



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What's the end game with vaccines? How did the Spanish flu end?

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What's the end game with vaccines?

The first is to keep people alive, the second is to keep them out of the hospital.

Millions died from the Bird Flu, so I don't get your point. That's not really a statistic we care to match while attempting to reach herd immunity.

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And what does herd immunity mean? What is the number or end game in that regard?

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Originally posted by: moosejaw

And what does herd immunity mean? What is the number or end game in that regard?


It might mean nothing as far as a Coronavirus is concerned. That's the problem.

The dream scenario would be a new variant that is easier to catch, but doesn't make you sick. That would provide the antibodies without the consequences. Or maybe not. only time will tell.








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Maybe we should consult with a "pure blood" to get the answer.

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Must also be a good pick up line.

"Hey, wanna mate with a 'pure blood'?"
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Originally posted by: OBX Did anyone who received the vaccination also receive instructions to self quarantine after both doses (or any for that matter)?
No. Why? What assumption leads you to ask that question?

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Nope. You lie.
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Genome sequencing is how the variant is determined. This is not done for the vast majority of the tests people get.
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If you are in the ICU, does it matter if you have the variant of not?

Needlessly splitting hairs.

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Moral: Just get vaccinated.

Only children left unvaxxed...

Oh and dopes, no goods, martyrs, Jenny McCarthy, human sacrifice wannabees, kamikazes, conspiracy nuts, and so forth
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Originally posted by: Greensleeves

Moral: Just get vaccinated.



Only children left unvaxxed...



Oh and dopes, no goods, martyrs, Jenny McCarthy, human sacrifice wannabees, kamikazes, conspiracy nuts, and so forth


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Blowbs and Qspank needs their naps.

Hey blowBS Did you get the latest from your orange carpet bagger God? He needs more of your money. It may be for his lie about the election but more probably for covering his debts, hookers, and diet soda.

Hey blowBS, Stop paying your taxes, I mean that is complete tyranny isn't it? Damn Qotards are fucking stupid.

Y'all are pathetic. Your complaining whiny bullshit.

Oh wait, immigrants!!

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Trolls trolling while ignoring real problems thinking they are righteous upstanding citizens

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Originally posted by: Lunchmeat Trolls trolling while ignoring real problems thinking they are righteous upstanding citizens
Not trolls either. Just very stupid individuals. Look at their comments. Based on those, what age would you guess they are? 7? They can't spell. Can't write coherent sentences. Throw around grade school insults.

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^^^ Says the angry old guy with dementia who is constantly misspelling his thread titles..

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LOL "research"
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital LOL "research"
Notice he doesn't share his sources.

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

LOL "research"


Notice he doesn't share his sources.


His sources:






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Don't forget this "expert"..





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Originally posted by: 1974

Don't forget this "expert"..





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Bologna's real problems? Immigrants (which Joe is working on)! Qotards unvaxxed - real. Assault on a woman's right to choose - real. Assault on the right to cast a vote - real. Qotardism - real.

Oh please tell us bologna where Joe is ignoring problems.
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I just did some of "my own research". It appears right wingers are dying like crazy from covid. I think "their own research" might be a bit bad. I'll stay the course...
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Herd immunity comes when the combination of the vaccinated and the Covid survivors with natural immunity reaches critical mass.

So those who will refuse to get vaccinated need to hurry up and get it, and either die or get over it with some natural protection.

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Per the History Channel page about the Spanish Flu - https://www.history.com/topics...ar-i/1918-flu-pandemic

"By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity. "

They didn't have a vaccine.


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Great! Thanks guys! I think I learned something. Please keep it up you guys are doing yeoman's work.

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Herd immunity comes when the combination of the vaccinated and the Covid survivors with natural immunity reaches critical mass. So those who will refuse to get vaccinated need to hurry up and get it, and either die or get over it with some natural protection.
So you're saying if you've already contracted COVID, were one of the 98.3% that survived, you can join vax club? Hmmm......you sure that's the narrative?

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Originally posted by: OBX

Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Herd immunity comes when the combination of the vaccinated and the Covid survivors with natural immunity reaches critical mass.



So those who will refuse to get vaccinated need to hurry up and get it, and either die or get over it with some natural protection.


So you're saying if you've already contracted COVID, were one of the 98.3% that survived, you can join vax club? Hmmm......you sure that's the narrative?


Talk about a lack of understanding... ^
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Originally posted by: OBX
Originally posted by: RustyTruck Herd immunity comes when the combination of the vaccinated and the Covid survivors with natural immunity reaches critical mass. So those who will refuse to get vaccinated need to hurry up and get it, and either die or get over it with some natural protection.
So you're saying if you've already contracted COVID, were one of the 98.3% that survived, you can join vax club? Hmmm......you sure that's the narrative?
Talk about a lack of understanding... ^
Jesus man, Rusty literally said "Herd immunity comes when the combination of the vaccinated and the Covid survivors with natural immunity reaches critical mass." Take the mask off, please......

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 09/22/2021 01:52 PM
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jdbman

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I was informed today that my lawn maintenance crew has covid. This means my grass is way too high and my bushes and trees are overgrown. Thats it I have had it. Get vaxed you fuckers.

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HAPDigital

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Originally posted by: jdbman

I was informed today that my lawn maintenance crew has covid. This means my grass is way too high and my bushes and trees are overgrown. Thats it I have had it. Get vaxed you fuckers.


Get mowin, you lazy basteech!
 09/22/2021 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by: jdbman I was informed today that my lawn maintenance crew has covid. This means my grass is way too high and my bushes and trees are overgrown. Thats it I have had it. Get vaxed you fuckers.
Quite the predicament. But, look, you can't cheap out on these things. I pay a little extra to get a fully vaccinated crew that works in biohazard suits with a self contained breathing apparatus. They haven't missed a beat and my lawn looks great. Now you might freak out the neighbors somewhat when this crew jumps into action. But so what?

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Hey tampon,
Thanks, that the first good idea you have ever shared on this here 2L surf forum.

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Jesus man, Rusty literally said "Herd immunity comes when the combination of the vaccinated and the Covid survivors with natural immunity reaches critical mass." Take the mask off, please......
. LOL. Do you think he's intentionally playing dim or just plain... ?

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 09/23/2021 02:05 AM
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News sites are full of stories of the unvaccinated dying. Martyrs for the cause! The cause being what again qotard bitches?
 09/23/2021 11:22 AM
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Are any of you guys experiencing irregular periods after taking the jab?

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Originally posted by: moosejaw

Are any of you guys experiencing irregular periods after taking the jab?


Nope. Feeling very virile.

It's not looking that way for those guys that opt out of the vax and get covid though.

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