Over 60% of the country prefers the status quo, but the pugs stacking of the SCOTUS may pay off with a win in the culture war against women's rights.

If so, will there be any political cost?

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

My Twitter feed tells me that this is the next new thing for Conservitards.

If they win, it could be something for the Dems to use to stimulate their base, but they only seem to remember they're a political party 12 months in advance of major elections.

They aren't doing a good job so far against the well funded propaganda machine of the far right.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Is abortion a Constitutional right? Of course not. Overturning Roe would simply have the abortion decision being made by the states and the people, which is as it should be. If the murderers

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I :heart; Q

More distraction.

Since we're all going to become Roe vs Wade scholars, and come to battle armed with our programmed bias....I'll start.

I happen to agree with the court's dissent, which was:

"At the heart of the controversy in these cases are those recurring pregnancies that pose no danger whatsoever to the life or health of the mother but are, nevertheless, unwanted for any one or more of a variety of reasons - convenience, family planning, economics, dislike of children, the embarrassment of illegitimacy, etc. The common claim before us is that, for any one of such reasons, or for no reason at all, and without asserting or claiming any threat to life or health, any woman is entitled to an abortion at her request if she is able to find a medical advisor willing to undertake the procedure.

The Court, for the most part, sustains this position: during the period prior to the time the fetus becomes viable, the Constitution of the United States values the convenience, whim, or caprice of the putative mother more than the life or potential life of the fetus; the Constitution, therefore, guarantees the right to an abortion as against any state law or policy seeking to protect the fetus from an abortion not prompted by more compelling reasons of the mother.

With all due respect, I dissent. I find nothing in the language or history of the Constitution to support the Court's judgment. The Court simply fashions and announces a new constitutional right for pregnant mothers [410 U.S. 222] and, with scarcely any reason or authority for its action, invests that right with sufficient substance to override most existing state abortion statutes. The upshot is that the people and the legislatures of the 50 States are constitutionally dissentitled to weigh the relative importance of the continued existence and development of the fetus, on the one hand, against a spectrum of possible impacts on the mother, on the other hand. As an exercise of raw judicial power, the Court perhaps has authority to do what it does today; but, in my view, its judgment is an improvident and extravagant exercise of the power of judicial review that the Constitution extends to this Court.

The Court apparently values the convenience of the pregnant mother more than the continued existence and development of the life or potential life that she carries. Whether or not I might agree with that marshaling of values, I can in no event join the Court's judgment because I find no constitutional warrant for imposing such an order of priorities on the people and legislatures of the States. In a sensitive area such as this, involving as it does issues over which reasonable men may easily and heatedly differ, I cannot accept the Court's exercise of its clear power of choice by interposing a constitutional barrier to state efforts to protect human life and by investing mothers and doctors with the constitutionally protected right to exterminate it. This issue, for the most part, should be left with the people and to the political processes the people have devised to govern their affairs.

It is my view, therefore, that the Texas statute is not constitutionally infirm because it denies abortions to those who seek to serve only their convenience, rather than to protect their life or health. Nor is this plaintiff, who claims no threat to her mental or physical health, entitled to assert the possible rights of those women [410 U.S. 223] whose pregnancy assertedly implicates their health. This, together with United States v. Vuitch, 402 U.S. 62 (1971), dictates reversal of the judgment of the District Court.

Likewise, because Georgia may constitutionally forbid abortions to putative mothers who, like the plaintiff in this case, do not fall within the reach of § 26-1202(a) of its criminal code, I have no occasion, and the District Court had none, to consider the constitutionality of the procedural requirements of the Georgia statute as applied to those pregnancies posing substantial hazards to either life or health. I would reverse the judgment of the District Court in the Georgia case."

Do I think it warrants all this attention/over turning? No

Gotta rally up the identity politics to keep us divided and prevent us from having honest discussions. Especially since more and more are catching on and uniting over this COVID response BS...

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Edited: 12/01/2021 at 11:05 AM by OBX

That's why Mississippi banned abortion? They are just creating identity politics distractions? Same with Texas? Actually you are right about that. It is great to see you recognize it. But you'll still vote for DeSantis/Trump/Abbott/Gaetz and all the other corporate stooges that live on these "wedge" issues.

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Miss. did not ban abortions.

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I :heart; Q

If bodily autonomy isn't a Constitutional right then we might as well wipe our asses with it.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Wipe away then. It ain't. Nor should it be.

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Says the guy who supports mandated vaccinations.....lol

In all seriousness, gonna be fun to watch the "my body my right" hypocrisy fly on this topic.....

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Vaccines aren't about your autonomy any more than rules against pissing on the sidewalk or shitting in the creek. Of course with the pandemic there should have been mandatory quarrantine and contact tracing in the early days with people reimbursed for any costs incurred. Not some stupid payments to everyone in the country and locking down South Dakota when cities next to ports of entry were the initial hotspots.

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I support a vaccination requirement for access to common spaces such as the workplace to protect other workers, not a general government mandate.

Your ass was vaccinated for a bunch of stuff before you ate your first booger at Kindergarten.




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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

That my body my right hypocrisy will be ugly for all sides.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Those privileged daughters of God fearing Republicans are going to abide by these prohibitions and not fly to places where its legal?

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

We both know that answer.

This is a purely culture war subject that completely ignores the fact that it discriminates against the poor, and will result in dead women from botched abortions.

There will always be abortions, the question is whether they will be performed safely or not.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Most everything discriminates against the poor. Flights to Europe, for example. That serves as an inspiration to not be poor.

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I :heart; Q

Great idea, I think first we seize the means of production and end hunger by eating the rich.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

QOP will pay. Normal women hate you Q believing shitheads. You can have your bubble heads. They are fake as shit and yucky like y'all.

STFU ball sack face.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Qish your doctor get back to on your issues?

Tpapschmear is anti abortion because he was born with a clothes hanger in his head.

The 50 year fight for women's rights will end under the bias Supreme Court.

The once great court is now a political joke.

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I was right.

So has the CDC, the FBI, the IRS, OSHA, Hollywood, the Media, etc.......yet most of you are lock step with their narrative; blind to the reality of supporting the very thing you're supposedly against....

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Now that's genuinely funny....and explains a lot.
They finally just gave him enough money to warehouse him on a dank superfund site in glamorous Mims.....let him think it was his decision
Hey piggy, drink lots of the glow in the dark groundwater, it's good for you!



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It's a democratic hoax

Wow. How did I miss this absolute gem of a comment.

Well done. Well fucking done.

"Will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the Constitution and its reading are just political acts?"

"I don't see how it is possible," - Justice Sotomayor

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

So much for the lame argument of apathy that "both parties are the same".

The Supreme Court is meant to ensure any laws passed at either the State or Federal Level do not go against what is defined in the Constitution. That is it. The Court is not to decide on the morality of the law, or interject any personal bias into the consideration. Its when the latter happens, the Court just becomes a political act.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

The parties aren't the same Folly, the economic powers behind the parties are the same.

And don't think for a minute there aren't capitol D Dems hoping Roe is overturned so they can fundraise off of it.

As as for the court, it's just another political organ of the failed American government.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Edited: 12/02/2021 at 08:59 AM by RustyTruck

So which is it Rusty....here you're saying the American government is a failure, yet in the other thread you said "The right wing has succeeded in convincing an unfortunately large number of people that government is incapable of doing anything to improve material conditions"

So are you admitting you can't trust the government? Are you saying its because the right wing convinced you? Or are you saying you can only trust the competency of the government when dealing with YOUR health?



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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Obie, I'm LITERALLY an Anarchist. Of COURSE you can't trust the government. I know this is hard for you, but that doesn't mean the government can't do positive things that DO improve material conditions.



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

The court is marching toward determine the ruling of a previous Supreme Court decision is incorrect. It's been done genius. Your sacred constitution is subject to the whims of interpretation. Yes?

Jeez Qotards are dopes.

>>Short of a massive surprise, Dobbs will likely overhaul abortion jurisprudence, scale back abortion rights and tee up a later decision in which the conservative majority will likely feel more emboldened to overturn Roe outright. Six of the justices have been selected partly because they favor limiting abortion; there is no reason to think the court's conservative supermajority will fail to deliver. Court watchers will mostly be looking out to see how bad the damage will be for the pro-choice side now, and how quickly the end for abortion rights could come.,,<<

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Even most leftist Constitutional scholars agree that Roe was a bad decision. And they are right.

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I need to start selling pink Gadsden flags.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Even most leftist Constitutional scholars agree that Roe was a bad decision.

Nope.

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I was right.

'Why is 15 weeks not enough time?' -Justice Roberts

Obviously because of complications that put the woman's life at risk are not always apparent until later in the pregnancy. How incredibly daft.

Yup, pretty stupid question. Has nothing to due with the real legal issues.

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Nothing to due?

Oh boy I'll bet old tspank knows the legal issues behind a woman's right to choose. Qotards's stink of old.

The critique on Roe was that it created a judicial discovery of the right to privacy from the penumbra of rights already guaranteed by due process and equal protection. This was later cleared up in Planned Parenthood vs. Casey.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Arbitrary government intrusion.

In the uterus.

The 4th Amendment.

Most Conservitards are only interested in the 2nd Amendment.

But, this one is important - too.

My body my choice? Nope - qotard motto is 'your body, my choice'. This is just a stepping stone for qotards to control all of your choices - that along with the secret police force to ensure you comply.

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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

The wealthy will still have access to abortion, poor people will not.

..as the religious right slowly moves us back into the Dark Ages.

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I was right.

Look - we have to keep a certain percentage of the population down. And this will help accomplish that. :-/


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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay