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Topic Title: Democrats hate the Constitution and the shackles it puts on people Topic Summary: Created On: 12/01/2022 05:35 AM |
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Democrats hate the Constitution and the shackles it puts on people Charles W. Milliken Thu, December 1, 2022 at 6:03 AM During the run-up to the recent elections, President Joe Biden and the Democrats were at pains to point out that "democracy was on the ballot" and electing Republicans could well spell the end of democracy. Granted political hyperbole, the Democrats had a bit of a point, but perhaps not entirely the point they intended. There is no question the election of Republicans would tend to more republican government, and I wish to explore with you today whether or not that is a bad thing. "Democrats" go back to 1828, or so, and "Republicans" to 1854. Much too long a story to rehash here, but I'm not sure any of the political founders gave a great deal of thought to the actual name selection. Predecessor parties had been "Democrat-Republicans" and "Whigs." But the concepts behind the names are extremely consequential, and do better define the parties today than they may have in the past. "Democracy" and "Republic" are two terms describing systems of human governance. So do "Monarchy," "Aristocracy," and "Oligarchy." Human beings, if we are not to live in a state of nature described by Thomas Hobbes as "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short", need some system of governance, and from the dawn of recorded history all societies have been so governed. From pharaohs to prime ministers, and dozens of other titles, someone, or some group of someones, has always been in charge. The question always is what principle lies behind the government. In a democracy, the principle is the majority rules. One man, one vote. If 51% want x, and 49% want y, the 49% are out of luck. The ancient Athenians developed the first recorded instance of a democracy and were very ambivalent about it. Greeks valued freedom (for themselves - too bad if you were a slave), but realized that rule by majority could devolve easily into a tyranny of the majority. In fact, some of them posited this was an inevitable outcome, because not only was whatever program passed by the majority now law, with the full force of the government behind it, but there was peer pressure as well on the minority by the majority to conform. Contemporary America exemplifies this principle in many ways. The obvious problem with democracy is there are no checks or balances, a problem addressed by those who wrote our Constitution. After all, a lynch mob is a perfect example of pure democracy in action. Was it just unhappy coincidence, a century and more ago, that lynchings were more common in states run by Democrats? When asked by a citizen what the Constitutional Convention had given us, Benjamin Franklin replied "A Republic, madam, if you can keep it." A Republican is a republican, believing in checks and balances on the passions of the moment. A republican will not join a lynch mob. A republican insists there needs to be a fair trial first. Then, if the offending party has been condemned to hang because of his guilt, so be it, but the process will, it is hoped, be a deliberate attempt to arrive at guilt or innocence with as little flush of emotion as possible. Democrats, as far back as Woodrow Wilson, have hated the Constitution, because it puts shackles on the "will of the people," and enshrines minority rights. President Biden is a thorough Wilsonian in that respect. Checks and balances stand in the way of all the critical things we now need - getting rid of hydrocarbons, imposing "equity" on our society, and myriad other outcomes much desired by the (non-democratic aristocratic) elites who run the Democratic Party. Thus Democrats must end the filibuster, must admit new states to make the Senate permanently Democratic, must "reform" the Supreme Court to make it more conform to the will of the people, must increasingly enshrine regulatory agencies to the pinnacle of law-making, and must make executive orders the law of the land, bypassing Congress when necessary. So Biden was right: electing Republicans would slow down untrammeled democracy. Too bad it won't. ------------------------- Dora Hates You |
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12/01/2022 05:37 AM
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holy wall of text batpatch! RD version, please
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12/01/2022 05:41 AM
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RD version: Democrats are Bat Shit Crazy
------------------------- Dora Hates You |
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12/01/2022 05:57 AM
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Please rationally defend the non-proportional representation in both electoral college and Senate - for example..
Because it's 'in the Constitution" is not rational.. Does the constitution say that gun ownership can not be 'taxed'? or 'regulated'? Says that insane or unstable people can own/use guns? The original Constitution has already been ratified/changed how many times? Even changed - and changed again - aka 'prohibition'.. The original was written favoring only rich people with property to vote - no one else counted.. True 'Democracy'? "One man one vote'? IMO - Nahhh.. Third world shit going on there?
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12/01/2022 07:33 AM
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non-proportional representation in what regard? Land? Population? If your question is to rationalize the Electoral College, read the Federalist Papers (specifically No. 10) and the perceived danger of "factions" and the danger true democracy has on the individual's freedoms. Because it's 'in the Constitution" is not rational.. No its not, but you can read the intent behind why its in the Constitution > Does the constitution say that gun ownership can not be 'taxed'? or 'regulated'? Says that insane or unstable people can own/use guns? Yes, it does. Its a fundamental right, just like free speech, freedom of religion, etc.. I mean it literally says "shall not be infringed" Again, read the intent behind this. Why its the 2nd amendment (2nd only to the freedom to talk and worship who you want), and the argument to take away any ability for any "government" body to be able to take that right away The original Constitution has already been ratified/changed how many times? Even changed - and changed again - aka 'prohibition'.. Thus the beauty of it, what's your point? The original was written favoring only rich people with property to vote - no one else counted.. Please provide context to this subjective opinion. The first line in the constitution is "We the People of the United States" as in all of her citizens, nowhere does it say anything about the limits being placed on the Federal Government only applies to the "Rich White Guy". I also can't interpret anything in it, that is specific to a certain group of people. What in the Constitution makes you think what you said, because using the examples I cited above, I'd argue you're incorrect. True 'Democracy'? "One man one vote'? IMO - Nahhh.. If only we had a robust voting system, that only allows one vote person. Seems whenever we talk about going this route (voter ID, limiting mail ins, etc...) you guys go nuts. Why? If you think there is the ability to cheat in the general election, then why fight against more controls? Third world shit going on there? ------------------------- "Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain Edited: 12/01/2022 at 07:34 AM by OBX |
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12/01/2022 05:50 AM
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Jesus ding, what a load of bullshit.
1) Republicans attacked the Capital, not Democrats. Republicans attacked the heart of the Republic. 2) "Lynching" Democrats switched parties after a Democratic president pushed through equal rights legislation. 3) There is no plan to end the filibuster. 4) There is no plan to reform the SCOTUS. 5) There is no plan for any new states. 6) We need regulatory agencies. The last time we let them slip, the economy crashed. 7) Trump never bothered with congress, executive orders were his forte. ------------------------- I was right. |
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12/01/2022 05:51 AM
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P.S. The last batch of Republicans tried to kill you, and still you love them.
I think there is a medical term for this sort of thing. lol ------------------------- I was right. |
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12/01/2022 05:59 AM
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The Republicans seem to be quite happy to drive the country toward anti-democratic fascism, and the Democrats seem content to stand by and let it happen.
In the end they both work for the same wealthy elites who can afford to purchase influence. ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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12/01/2022 07:43 AM
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The Unites States Constitution is long overdue for revision. Our world is far different than it was is 1780.
------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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12/01/2022 08:10 AM
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The Party of Slavery does not like us to have our freedom. Never have.
------------------------- I :heart; Q |
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12/01/2022 02:56 PM
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Maybe we should try Karl Marx's idea from the communist manifesto---right rusty?
------------------------- Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18 |
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12/02/2022 04:03 AM
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Maybe we should try Karl Marx's idea from the communist manifesto---right rusty? The idea that labor is entitled to all the wealthy it creates? Of course. ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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12/02/2022 04:42 AM
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- China - Cuba - Vietnam - Lao Rusty, are you an American of a fucking traitor? You literally want to turn this country into something our brethren gave there lives to prevent. You literally support the ideologies of our enemies, are too stupid to learn from history, and you still think your opinion on our Country's affairs has any relevance. You are a fcking traitor that welcomes the disbanding of our Constitution, and the ideologies this country was founded on, and act like a spoiled little shit, unaware of the luxury this country gives you.....to sit here and shit all over the very country that gives you the freedom to do so. Why are you too much of a pussy to go ahead and live in either of the countries listed above, that operate under your wet dream? ------------------------- "Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain Edited: 12/02/2022 at 04:43 AM by OBX |
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12/01/2022 02:57 PM
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Tpap, you need some new material.
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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12/01/2022 03:26 PM
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In other words, you'd rather be ruled by elitist politicians hailing from rural, sparsely populated lands than have a democratic republic with fair elections where we the people have the power to check and balance the wealthy and powerful elites.
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12/02/2022 06:04 AM
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In other words, you'd rather be ruled by elitist politicians hailing from rural, sparsely populated lands than have a democratic republic with fair elections where we the people have the power to check and balance the wealthy and powerful elites. Yep. In a fair election, why is one vote in a rural area worth double that of a metropolitan area? ------------------------- I was right. |
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12/02/2022 06:11 AM
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In other words, you'd rather be ruled by elitist politicians hailing from rural, sparsely populated lands than have a democratic republic with fair elections where we the people have the power to check and balance the wealthy and powerful elites. Yep. In a fair election, why is one vote in a rural area worth double that of a metropolitan area? So that your epically populated areas with people stacked one on top of anther don't get to make the rules and law for the VAST rest of the entire country. If things were your way ALL elections would be decided by 6 or 7 way overpopulated cities. All rules and law would wind up being decided by the same 6 or 7 humongously overpopulated cities. Only a total hemorrhoid infested ass would want something like that. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 12/02/2022 at 06:13 AM by Fish Killer |
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12/02/2022 06:06 AM
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Now does 'land' get to vote too - I guess like corporations get a say, but - fuck no - actual peoples voices don't count - esp if they go against those who want to make the rules..
Referring to ancient scripts like the federalist papers don't rationalize an argument or give it reason.. like quote the old testament - aka 'ancient book of Jewish fairy tales' - instead.. Like rationalize unstable, crazy or violent people being able to have guns of any type - esp an AR? We need to send all these refugees to these empty states and help them 'increase their populations' and 'diversify their voter base' Why is it that a definite majority of people think that there are significant changes that need to be made but a radical and vocal minority of people can stop progress being made. Does the NRA rule us? Religion too? And also be granted 'Non profit' status from the taxman - and have a say in politics? Take that shit away...
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12/02/2022 07:46 AM
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Huh? Referring to ancient scripts like the federalist papers don't rationalize an argument or give it reason.. like quote the old testament - aka 'ancient book of Jewish fairy tales' - instead.. Jesus, tell me you have myopic views and are closed minded with out telling me. You asked for rationalization.....I literally pointed you to it....and this is your response Like rationalize unstable, crazy or violent people being able to have guns of any type - esp an AR? Yes, read, learn, educate. Or, stay arrogant and ignorant. (seems you're preferring the latter) We need to send all these refugees to these empty states and help them 'increase their populations' and 'diversify their voter base' Well at least you're not being secretive in supporting shady tactics so YOUR party stays in power. You've now lost any credibility when you clutch your pearls over "Democracy" or "saving America" You just want one party control (others will see this as another sign of being brainwashed....wonder if you will) Why is it that a definite majority of people think that there are significant changes that need to be made but a radical and vocal minority of people can stop progress being made. Because you're being sold a narrative that isn't true. The truth is, you need to flip your sentence around. Does the NRA rule us? Religion too? Apparently they both live rent free in your head and rule your emotions. And also be granted 'Non profit' status from the taxman - and have a say in politics? Take that shit away... Do you feel the same way about BLM? Of course not, your views/virtues are party dependent....which also shows what a brainwashed sheep. . ------------------------- "Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain Edited: 12/02/2022 at 07:47 AM by OBX |
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12/02/2022 01:46 PM
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Because something 'says so' in the federalist papers, bible or the 'constitution' etc, don't mean shit and does not even to start to rationalize it unless you are a sheep.
You obviously have a comprehension problem..
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12/02/2022 02:54 PM
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------------------------- I :heart; Q |
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12/03/2022 06:05 AM
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I guess some people still choose to believe in Leprechauns...
------------------------- There are NO white people at all in the Bible... take all the time you need with that... Please stop feeding the trolls - they will go away if you do... Edited: 12/03/2022 at 06:07 AM by surfsail |
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12/03/2022 07:37 AM
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I guess some people still choose to believe in Leprechauns... Yeah...you! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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12/04/2022 01:32 PM
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And qrumpians want to shitcan it altogether...
------------------------- There are NO white people at all in the Bible... take all the time you need with that... Please stop feeding the trolls - they will go away if you do... |
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12/02/2022 05:47 AM
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Opie triggered before breakfast. It's going to be a good day!
------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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12/02/2022 06:02 AM
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In the original Constitution, Clarence Thomas wasn't even a person. He was made part of a person 100 or so years later.
The idea of "Constitutional originalism" is laughable. ------------------------- I was right. |
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12/02/2022 07:51 AM
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And here you are, the very embodiment of what that oath is about. A fucking commie/enemy of the State, who shits on our Constitution. Fuck off, Rusty. Your a POS, and I have no problem calling you out for it. If calling me "triggered" helps you deal with your stench....go for it. ------------------------- "Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain |
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12/02/2022 08:33 AM
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Opie triggered before breakfast. It's going to be a good day! Whats funny is, there are those on this forum that have served, and supposedly took the oat of "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" And here you are, the very embodiment of what that oath is about. A fucking commie/enemy of the State, who shits on our Constitution. Fuck off, Rusty. Your a POS, and I have no problem calling you out for it. If calling me "triggered" helps you deal with your stench....go for it. I'd hate to offend anyone who took the "oat". It's very important to have enough fiber in your diet. But judging by the loads of shit you produce, your fiber intake is just fine. ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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12/02/2022 08:24 AM
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Current Marxist-Leninist States:
- China - Cuba - Vietnam - Lao Are they really marxist? Or just nations ruled by authoritarian elites exploiting the poor to make a buck? Not too far off from a republic where the "masses" have no say. Obviously, we have no issue with taking advantage of the situation there. It's like trading with your neighbors even though you know they keep their kids locked in a closet, beat them when they speak, and make them tend the farm that grows your food. As long as the 401k is okay, all's well, they're just commies anyway. |
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12/02/2022 09:30 AM
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They are both. List of Lenin-Marxist Countries How you fail to connect the dots that Marxism leads to your second point is fascinating. It's like you're willfully ignorant to history, and current reality. Am I to surmise you're part of the anti-American Constitution hating Commie trader like, Rusty? ------------------------- "Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain |
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12/02/2022 10:44 AM
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"Nationalism is politics for basic people" - Beau of the 5th Column
------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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12/04/2022 06:28 PM
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This thread is aging like raw fish since Trump announced he had no use any constitution that prevents him from declaring himself the winner of every election he lost. It's funnier now though.
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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12/04/2022 07:09 PM
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This thread is aging like raw fish since Trump announced he had no use any constitution that prevents him from declaring himself the winner of every election he lost. It's funnier now though. You're funnier now that you have exposed your stupidity. http://redstate.com/bobhoge/20...ia-doesnt-care-n668230 ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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