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Lifted from Greg CRSURF.com...long read...November 1 at 6:23 PM ·

November 6th(Wednesday) is the City Hall meeting where the city is going to add 222
nits into the 'PUD 3' or 'PCN 3' subdivision in the old South Patrick Housing Area.

What they are proposing is this:

1) Adding 222 units of commercial development on a 27 acre plot of land that is
already allowing 398 residential units. This is despite the fact that our city's land use
regulations call for a MAXIMUM of 6 units per acre in this development. They are adding
density to an already overcrowded plot of land.

2) They are removing the maximum number of stories allowed in the 85' tall towers
that are being proposed for this site. The restriction is currently 7 stories maximum.
They are adding density to an already overcrowded plot of land.

3) The city is not being honest when they say that the point of the meeting is to allow
single family homes. The PUD 3 already allows that.

Here's some additional information:

1) A survey of Florida's Cities found that Satellite falls within the 88th percentile of
most densely populated cities in FL.

2) No Environmental impact study has been conducted to see how this development
will affect the conservation lands next to Hightower Park.

3) The current city administration allowed the two largest buildings EVER built in
Satellite Beach, to be built on the eroding land across from Publix. They replaced what
used to be one large building(The Ramada).

4) The mid-reach shore protection project is a major consideration for the very large
financial interests in their decision to underwrite and finance these developments.

5) The current city administration is considering a height increase along the west side
of A1A next year which will clear the way for large scale development throughout the
city, and they have discussed taking density from properties along South Patrick Drive
to accommodate this development.

6) This is a plan that has developed over the last several years while we have all been
told over and over again that this isn't what is actually happening.

7) The developer who owns the Shearwater Property is a man named Jimmy Winemiller
who has been connected to crimes and investigations throughout the country. These
include White Water(Yes, The Clinton's), fraud involving a catfish farm, a former
business partner who was trafficking young women from Asia for the purpose of
prostitution, corruption and bribery of a public official in Maryland, and more. He is a
major developer here in Brevard County.

8. The people who are advancing this major redevelopment and complete destruction of
our city's character are part of the same group of people who built all the
condominiums on the dunes.

This development will never happen if the people of this town start talking to their
neighbors, and begin organizing to remove the city council members and administration
officials who are working to allow all of this. November 6th is their last opportunity to
show us that they will stand up for the community.

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 03:46 AM by 2nd Light Forums Moderator

NBD!

Who are we to stand in the way of "progress"? LOL. LOL. LOL

There are those who would proudly tell you that Brevard is "under" developed. Lots of "expansion" opportunities.

I've shared this here before, , , ,:

Back when the "base closure" thingy was going on, there were more than a few developers who wanted Patrick to be closed. I was at a private party and some of the attendees were the Biggest Developers in the state/South Eastern USA. They already had "plans" and pretty much already had all of the required financial backing.

First, A1A would have to be moved westward from the NCO club to the O'club. Too much prime "beach front" would go to waste if A1A was not moved. It needed to be "condo'd". Or, perhaps use that area for a few very large private "estates". The areas of the base to the south and north could be the "condo" and "resort" corridors.

Then, the rest of the base that was west of A1A would be fenced off and gated.

There was much discussion about whether-or-not the runway should be retained in order to "up the antee" in regard to perhaps attracting the "super" wealthy.

The golf course and marina areas would need to be greatly improved.

There is plenty of room on the river front to put in some very nice "residences".

The expected "value" would be "untold billions".

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This is par for the course for Satellite - the concrete strip mall laden corridor for this County, or Developer's dream municipality declining to enact local ordinances and land use planning adverse to pouring concrete. Looks like Satellite, & IHB for that matter, needs leadership willing or able to analyze beyond property tax revenue, which really should not be the end analysis for land use and building regs.

Here is a petition to help stop it. I don't think it is approved yet. Even better - show up at 7 p.m. when they do their presentation in Sat. Beach on Nov. 6th.
Petition to stop highrises in Satellite Beach

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Or possibly show up a little before 6pm?

FL Today reports there is a "gathering" sponsored by a "Save The Turtles" group starting at 6pm outside city hall.

FL Today

Also, the city's website lists a CRA meeting Wed 11/6 at 6:00 pm. I thought the CRA (Community Redevelopment Agency) had been dissolved... Anyone know what's up there?

Minor edit: The CRA link on the city web page is separate from the other boards:
http://www.satellitebeach.org/...development_agency.php
but I still thought it had been dissolved. My bad.

CRA minutes and agendas: http://www.satellitebeach.org/...gendas_and_minutes.php

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 06:58 PM by UpperDecker

Anyone go to the meeting?

Edited: 11/07/2019 at 06:39 AM by UpperDecker

Yes, I went.

These meetings are always good for a laugh.

Basically, it goes back to the 2004/2005 time frame.
It was zoned back then for condos and such.

The bottom line is this;

You can have 4 condos and 17 multi level buildings

or

You can have 3 condos and a hotel (check)

or

C. Get sued by developer. They paid $13.5 million for land, and the annual budget for the city happens to be $13.5 million. In the end, the developer would win and the City would be left devastated. It would be in litigation for years and years. Even if the City prevailed, the would basically be bankrupt.

The best point of the night was brought up by a lady from North Satellite Beach.
She mentioned that she didn't want to see chairs and jet skis for rent on the beach.

The City does have total control of this. So at this point, if you want to protest anything, call the city and express your thoughts about rental companies connected to the hotel.

I don't think the City does have control at this point. You can't deny building that
meets zoning and code. Even if Satellite changed their land use regs. right now, the
developer would have a viable Bert Harris Act claim against the City, since the plans
were so far in motion before the change.


Satellite clearly does not have the stomach to stop the worsening landscape pollution
and oversized structures in their own community. Councilman Montanaro's comment in
Florida Today's article, suggesting Satellite somehow prevented an even worse
scenario, comparing Neptune Beach's "blowing up" with development, is a dishonest
and ignorant comparison. Who is that guy? - Satellite did not do their "homework" on
this issue.

Neptune Beach may have "blown up" recently, but the reason for that is because it's a
great place to live, due to successfully doing what Satellite and a few other beach
communities in this area have failed to do, namely: zoning only allowing single family
or duplexes & a few grandfathered triplexes; no short term rentals; encouraging long
term & permanent residency; 2004 vote passed on height limitations at around 35'
-45'; commercial limited to "Town Center" and portions west of 3rd st.; modifying 1st
street successfully discouraging vehicular traffic - you don't need or want a car in
Neptune Beach; tight restrictions on what can exist in commercial sector (Town Center)
encouraging interesting commercial and artistic ventures; the town appears to work at
improving the lives of permanent or long term residents, unlike Satellite.

At this point, civil disobedience would be the only road to stopping this project, which
has worked in stopping unpopular proposed development.


Edited: 11/07/2019 at 03:11 PM by 2nd Light Forums Moderator

I hate to name names, but here goes. Several years ago just when they started the twin towers of hell, I called John Stone, building Director for Sat Bch to inquire about the project.

He told me that the condo was going to deed 25 feet of land on the south end when the final building was CO'd (Certificate of Occupancy). Here we are near that point and I don't see 25 feet there. I see some underground power utility boxes and a narrow strip of land on the south end of the chain link fence. Nowhere near 25 feet.

I see the north Scorpion Court with barriers from storm damage.

He said he was a surfer growing up here.

I guess he's not a surfer anymore.

Edited: 11/08/2019 at 12:32 PM by rc

OMG!

My wife says she will enjoy the addition sewage overflow into the river.

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