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Topic Title: Brevard County Commissioner
Topic Summary: Curt Smith Idiotic Response to Brevard Issues
Created On: 05/06/2020 08:20 PM
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 05/06/2020 08:20 PM
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sfds

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Would like to share a pathetic response from Curt Smith County Commissioner to an email inquiry I sent asking to be called back to discuss three specific topics..... the issues of HOTELS in Brevard county in "phase 1" (particularly beaches) being opened bringing in immediate tourism, the A1A debacle they created with closing beach parks (which I supported), but letting every MORON that wants to park on the street on A1A do so with no ticketing/enforcement and lastly, the crosswalk debacle that runs thru the heart of his beach-side district.

This guy can go F himself. I didnt comment or want to discuss anything covid related and all he can do is get on a high horse. Below is what this pompous asshole responded back to my email simply requesting a call back to discuss. Note the (crappy grammar) comment "the hotels/motels hope you are correct they are filled overnight". Yea, lets just bring everyone from anywhere to Brevard ASAP. What an absolute idiot.


Chad, The time has arrived for us to start moving forward with re-opening our county. This virus isn't going away until we can get a treatment for it and a vaccine. But we certainly cannot shut everything down until that happens. Fear is not an attribute and if you are that worried about the virus, don't go to motels or beaches. Stay inside as much as you can until you are comfortable. Wear a mask and wash your hands often. Prudence is the key. The virus is not as deadly as first feared. Currently less than.02% are dying from it. For perspective, far more people are dying in auto accidents The hotels/motels hope you are correct that they will be filled with tourists overnight, but that is not likely. We will continue to monitor our virus count. The fact is, there are only 7 people currently in all of Brevard hospitals with COVID-19. Four of those are on ventilators. As for A1A that is a state road. You can complain to your local state representatives or contact FDOT directly. Curt Smith Brevard County Commissioner, District 4 P: 321.633.2044 F: 321.633.2121 curt.smith@brevardcounty.us cid:image001.png@01CE9345.AED16CB0 District 4 Commission Office 2725 Judge Fran Jamieson Way Building C - Suite 214 Viera, Florida 32940 Please note: Florida has a very broad public records law. Most written communications to or from the offices of elected officials are public records available to the public and media upon request. Your email communications may, therefore, be subject to public disclosure.

Edited: 05/06/2020 at 08:22 PM by sfds
 05/06/2020 08:33 PM
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WG

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We are poorly represented.
The justifications for reopening too soon are emotional and based on weak facts.
The science doesn't support this.


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Edited: 05/06/2020 at 08:39 PM by WG
 05/07/2020 03:46 AM
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tom

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We'll, quick math check. Using the # deaths / # cases from the CDC uupdate for May 6, I get 5.9%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...dates/cases-in-us.html

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 05/07/2020 04:11 AM
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SurferMic

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You can't forget the Air BNB's as well...they are full of out of towner's mostly Northern state plates...I would say the cleaning is slightly better at a Hotel than it is at a Air BNB where the host (who is usually out of county or out of state) is responsible for disinfecting..We have the power to shut down Air BNB's in certain areas (short term rental laws) but no one does...
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Cole

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Did they make the right decision to reopen? We shall see by the end of this month.

What is an okay death toll? 150,000 - 200,000? Do we try something different at 300,000?

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 05/07/2020 06:32 AM
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sfds

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well, posting up to share the arrogant response not even addressing what I asked about and throwing some bro science off the cuff like he's some expert. I dont have a problem with the 25% soft phase 1 opening and track how things go, but for god's sake bringing tourists in should not be in phase 1, that's a no brainer.


Glad to see he doesn't give 2 $hits about the A1A debacle in his district, especially with the heightened awareness from that poor little girl's death. Not one for politics, but hope people remember this when it comes voting time.
 05/07/2020 06:35 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Cole

Did they make the right decision to reopen? We shall see by the end of this month.

What is an okay death toll? 150,000 - 200,000? Do we try something different at 300,000?


It will probably take longer than a month tbh. The lock down did a pretty decent job of beating back the virus in some places. I suspect it will be more like 4-6 weeks, maybe longer if people still be safe, for infections to climb again and another 10-14 days after that for deaths to rise in response.
 05/07/2020 06:59 AM
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Quadro

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The number of deaths includes probable cases without lab confirmation. Seems a tad unscientific. Curious if anyone cares about the amount of trash being created with all of these disposable masks? What about the turtles? Did not using straws offset this? How did FL with its uncaring, late closing, early opening Governor and the highest # of Medicare patients in the US avoid this plague? What a crock of pooh unless you're old with comorbidities and living in lower NY, upper NJ and urban areas of MA/CT. Guess time will tell. Signed, "Frontline" Registered Nurse P.S. Don't forget to be afraid of the "Second Wave"!

Edited: 05/07/2020 at 07:00 AM by Quadro
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Quadro
The number of deaths includes probable cases without lab confirmation. Seems a tad unscientific.


That is true for the flu yes. Where did you get information that deaths include probable cases without lab confirmation and at what numbers? Please post a link to the source. Everything I am seeing points to cases being vastly under reported.
 05/07/2020 07:09 AM
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Quadro

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Tom's CDC link. You know the CDC who said millions would be dying according to their "models". https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...dates/cases-in-us.html Agree the number of cases is WAAAAAY under-reported, the number of deaths is misleading and WAAAAAAY over-reported. BTW public service announcement if you wear a mask without eye protection, you are not protected from this virus.
 05/07/2020 07:12 AM
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RiddleMe

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Actually no, the data points to deaths being way under reported. Year over year overall death rates going back 5 years in hard hit areas is way way higher even once you subtract out the known covid-19 cases. There wasn't a drastic increase in suicides, murders, etc. to account for it either.

There there is this:

The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC's reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths - that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus - has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.


No, Not the Flu.
 05/07/2020 07:14 AM
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Quadro

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I agree A1A is a joke. Glad to see the speed limit lower and those crosswalks to nowhere going away. Speed kills. Maybe we should close the roads to prevent this? Sure no one can go anywhere but if it saves just one life it's worth it, right?
 05/07/2020 07:16 AM
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Quadro

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If you die from cancer but have COVID-19 how is that counted?
 05/07/2020 07:23 AM
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daner

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What he said about reopening is bang on. Except for the use of % after .02. Tom your number is probably as over an estimate as his is under. We now suspect many cases up to 85x based on some studies may be undocumented which will have a dramatic effect on overall mortality rates.

The fact is that the number of new cases daily in the US started to level off in late March (CDC). Despite shutting down and stay at home April had the same number of daily cases. It may have "flattened the curve" we don't know, but that was the argument for shutting down. It is too soon to say if reopening will effect the numbers. Lets hope they begin to decline.

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 05/07/2020 07:32 AM
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garcia

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Regarding A1A - Sat Bch spearheaded both the original crosswalks and, when they didn't work out, they blamed the state and then demanded the new speed limit and crosswalk design. The "State" did not ram this down anyone's throat. Oh, and BTW, Sat Beach worked to remove the throughlane at the Pineda/A1A intersection even though it is about 3 miles north of their city limit. Don't let anyone tell you differently. The culprit was Sat Bch who was able to enlist everyone else.
 05/07/2020 07:34 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Quadro

If you die from cancer but have COVID-19 how is that counted?


If you die from a heart attack and have Covid-19 how is it counted? Was it the heart condition by itself or the virus pushing your body past a threshold that it was able to handle? How do you determine they 'died' from cancer or the the virus? If the cancer was going to kill them anyway, but the virus caused them to die days, weeks, or months earlier than they would have otherwise how do you make that determination?
 05/07/2020 07:40 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Quadro

Tom's CDC link. You know the CDC who said millions would be dying according to their "models". https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...dates/cases-in-us.html Agree the number of cases is WAAAAAY under-reported, the number of deaths is misleading and WAAAAAAY over-reported. BTW public service announcement if you wear a mask without eye protection, you are not protected from this virus.


The specific link. His link does not contain information backing up your statement. I asked for a link to probable cases that never got confirmed and how many there were.

Also regarding the mask, you should know the mask is to reduce 'your' potential spread around other people. Go look at the droplet tests that have been done.
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Quadro

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Imagine a patient with end-stage renal disease, on dialysis three times a week, hypertensive, poorly controlled type-2 diabetic, smoker, hx of CHF & pneumonia, DVTs, gout and prior MIs. One night they code and die from a MI while admitted to the hospital for new onset fever and cough. The patient tested positive for COVID-19 per the admission labs. What did they die from?
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Quadro

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Agree it slows my potential to contaminate but most people are wearing them to protect themselves. PPE and microbiological ignorance is off the chain right now.
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: Quadro

Imagine a patient with end-stage renal disease, on dialysis three times a week, hypertensive, poorly controlled type-2 diabetic, smoker, hx of CHF & pneumonia, DVTs, gout and prior MIs. One night they code and die from a MI while admitted to the hospital for new onset fever and cough. The patient tested positive for COVID-19 per the admission labs. What did they die from?


Can't rightfully make that determination.
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