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dingpatch

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Well again, things point to the facts that we are probably at the stage of knowing what "fire" does but, still don't know how to start a fire without nature doing it for us, , , , ,! Couple this "5th Force" stuff with stuff like physicists saying that as best as we can now guess, everything we think we know does not work unless there are 11 dimensions!?!?

https://www.popularmechanics.c...92/fifth-force-nature/

The Fifth Force of Nature Could Be Real and Fantastic
Scientists think they've found it in a helium atom.


By Caroline Delbert
Nov 20, 2019

Hungarian researchers have followed up a major 2016 observation with a second similar one, both suggesting a fifth force of nature and a new kind of subatomic particle.
The scientists used a radiation particle accelerator to blast helium nuclei in order to observe the explosion.

Their paper is awaiting peer review and will likely spark a new wave of research to help explain what they saw.

In 2016, Attila Krasznahorkay made news around the world when his team published its discovery of evidence of a fifth force of nature. Now, the scientists are making news again with a second observation of the same force, which may be the beginning of a unified fifth force theory. The researchers have made their original LaTeX paper available prior to acceptance by a peer-reviewed journal.

Study of the hypothesized fifth force, a subfield all by itself, is centered on trying to explain missing pieces in our understanding of physics, like dark matter, which could be expanded or validated by an important new discovery or piece of evidence. Scientists and specifically cosmologists are baffled by the amount of our universe made of dark matter and energy we can't observe except in indirect ways and still don't understand.

The scientists' first observation in 2016 was of an isotope of beryllium, and their second is of an isotope of helium. Both observations involved circumstantial evidence of a force exerted by a new form of particle the researchers are calling X17 because of its energy potential of 17 megaelectronvolts. In 2016, the researchers wrote, "The deviation between the experimental and theoretical angular correlations is significant and can be described by assuming the creation and subsequent decay of a boson." This new boson is the proposed X17 particle.

Krasznahorkay and his colleagues work from Hungary's Atomki facility, where they used a Van de Graaff accelerator to observe beryllium in 2016 and helium in 2019. You may have seen a small, user-friendly Van de Graaff accelerator, or generator as it's usually known, throwing off branching "lightning" or making your hair stand on end in your local science museum. The technology dates to the 1930s, subsumed by the cyclotron and later the synchrotron for some purposes, but still useful for many others.

The Van de Graaff shoots particles through a vacuum tube at super high speeds. Krasznahorkay's team used the accelerator to watch isotopes decay, when the nucleus ruptures and particles generate light as they fly out. The scientists expected the flying particles to act a certain way because of the law of conservation of energy, but they observed a different behavior that couldn't be explained by existing knowledge. They posit their new X17 particle as the reason for the anomalies they've now observed in two different elements.

Beryllium, a brittle metal with atomic number 4, and helium, a noble gas with atomic number 2, are similar in ways that could influence the observation of the X17 particle anomaly in both elements. The proposed new boson is 33 times more energetic than an electron but exists for a minuscule fraction of a second - less than a trillionth.

Science Alert points out that scientists on other teams have already been looking for a particle that fits the description of the X17 particle, like how the Atomki team gave a description to a criminal sketch artist who is now trying to matchmake the sketch with a logical explanation. The more scientists who are on the hunt for the fifth force, the more likely their research will all eventually cohere into one explanation.
 11/21/2019 07:01 AM
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TeeBirdForever

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If you want your mind blown, just do some reading on what we already know about quantum mechanics. Just looking at that stuff tells you things are way more than what you see.

It has not yet been unified with general relativity. One is a theory of the small and the other is a theory of the massive and vast. They both work until the scale changes.
 11/21/2019 07:04 AM
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tom

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See, size does matter.

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 11/21/2019 07:07 AM
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TeeBirdForever

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And speed! Tempus fugit.
 11/23/2019 08:29 AM
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dab

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Stalking The Wild Pendulum by Itzhak Bentov">null

If you're into Quantum Theory and or String Theory this book is a provocative read.

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Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.



Edited: 11/23/2019 at 08:30 AM by dab
 11/23/2019 10:25 AM
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RegularJoe

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There is also the mysterious force that causes saltwater to drain for your nose after a good session. It's not just gravity, because it only exerts itself in certain places, and when another person is looking and/or eating.
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