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Created On: 12/03/2023 07:33 AM
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johnnyboy

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FSU is looking like they might get squeezed out so the SEC can put in Alabama after a brilliant victory over Georgia. The SEC, according to Finebaum, is just better. He thinks FSU is out over Bama. The FSU strength of schedule and being undefeated should make this an easy decision but being without their star quarterback makes this exclusion seem more reasonable. Washington and Michigan are beyond question. So three and four could get ugly.

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 12/03/2023 08:02 AM
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https://www.tiktok.com/@unknowntalent316/video/7308231888995454239?_t=8hsKAkosTxz&_r=1

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http://www.tiktok.com/@unknown...39?_t=8hsKAkosTxz&_r=1

Fixed it.

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 12/03/2023 09:51 AM
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FSU and Georgia out. Well, they got about half right. FSU got screwed.

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 12/04/2023 08:53 AM
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I am perfectly fine with FSU and Ga. not making it. Don't like either one bit.

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As a lawyer, do you believe the CFP followed their own stated rules for making this decision? It's clear that they did not. Why not?

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The AP poll got it right. FSU got robbed. Every team has key injuries. The Great Teams overcome them and still win.

FSU beat two SEC schools out of conference. LSU and Gators in da swamp. No easy task. Then went on to win the ACC conference over a very good Louisville team.

Another note is that Michigan got caught cheating pretty bad but is ranked #1. We reward cheaters now?!?

Will be interesting the matchup between Georgia and FSU. I see Georgia are early two TD favorites. But...emotion rules supreme in college football.

It would be a great statement if the Heisman voters gave Jordan Travis the trophy. Afterall, he was the best Qb...for bama...

The SEC favoritism has to end. I've lived it forever. And, I still say SCOREBOARD...reality over perception...The last time UCF played Bama, Georgia, Auburn, and The Gators...UCF won.

The subjectivity needs to end. The 12 game playoff scenario starting in 2024 helps.
 12/05/2023 08:18 AM
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garcia

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a much better analysis than the purely emotional ones vented here -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/12/05/college-football-playoff-difficult-choice/
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garcia

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I will always vote for a one-loss team with a tough schedule over an undefeated team with a weak one. It sickened me to watch Oklahoma win multiple NCs when they only played Texas and Nebraska and it sickened me when FSU joined the ACC so they could do the same. The four teams this year all played a tough schedule. FSU, as usual, did not and got left out. To call the ACC a "power conference" is, was, and always will be, a joke.
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There is no good solution under the current system. The solution is to go to at least 8. Then you can gripe about the seeding.

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garcia

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I would stop at "There is no good solution". As I've said repeatedly (or as Dave would say, ad nauseum) , I would just go back to "good old days" when conferences, conference championships, historical rivalries and bowl games truly meant something. It truly was a better time. (And the cheerleaders were much hotter too!)
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whitey

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When the Dawgs crush FSU it won't be a discussion! Alabama vs. Texas Alabama wins another Natty.
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garcia

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yes, it certainly will!
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RustyTruck

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When FSU stops GA cold and finishes undefeated, they can just go ahead and declare themselves champs.

Someone should investigate the relationship between ESPN and the SEC, it's all just become a big money racket now.

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 12/06/2023 07:38 AM
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I, and many others, think the FSU snub was an ESPN decision. They ( ESPN) own the broadcast rights for the Collage football playoffs.

ESPN is crushed financially. They made a corporate decision.

I'm no FSU fan. Miami got snubbed several years ago, in favor of FSU.

All that being said, yea its obvious FSU got hosed. We all know the solution.

Expand the playoffs.

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RustyTruck

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The fix was in.

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Central Floridave

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Garcia, you are a SEC fan boy. They are top heavy but go deeper and the ain't all that.

The ACC record over the SEC is a positive.

 12/06/2023 05:14 PM
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Written by ESPN writer David Hale.

"In the olden days, we had a beauty contest. The top team in the nation was decided entirely by the voters.

Then we moved to a better system, one determined in part by computers that at least added some math to the abstract rationalizing while also allowing two teams to decide it on the field.

Then we moved to a four-team playoff, and the whole point was to eliminate the hypotheticals and let a champion be crowned by the actual results on the field. If you won your games, you had a chance to win a national title.

Turns out, all of that was a charade. None of it mattered. The games are pointless. What happens on the field is less important than what a committee thinks might happen in a future matchup.

It is an absolute slap in the face to every player who has ever put on a helmet, laced up cleats and marched onto the field to battle for a victory, because a bunch of folks in a conference room in Texas decided their sacrifice was not as important as the Las Vegas line on a potential playoff matchup.

Yes, Florida State is without starting QB Jordan Travis, meaning it would have to play with a quarterback who wasn't its opening-week starter in order to win a national title, and of course that couldn't happen. After all, only 2014 Ohio State, 2017 Alabama, 2018 Clemson and 2021 Georgia did that. What are the odds that something that's happened 44% of the time would happen again?

And sure, FSU's passing game was a mess in the ACC championship game. No argument there. Funny thing though: FSU won its title game by more than Alabama did. In fact, FSU has won its past two games by more than Alabama has. And since Travis got hurt in Week 12 against North Alabama, the Seminoles have thrown for just 8 fewer yards than Michigan has in that same stretch, but there was no debate about Michigan.

Oh, and this is probably irrelevant in the face of such a poor quarterback performance against Louisville, but there's also the small matter that the QB who started that game, Brock Glenn, wouldn't be the QB starting a playoff game (since Tate Rodemaker would be out of concussion protocol by then).

The committee cared about one stat when making this decision: FSU's 55 passing yards against Louisville.

Here are the stats it ignored: Seven sacks, 14 tackles for loss, 10 passes defended, 189 rushing yards against a stacked box, a 10-point win over a top-15 team with a QB making his first career start.
Let's be real about what happened here: The committee members couldn't leave the SEC out of the playoff. They didn't care that Alabama needed a miracle to avoid a loss to 6-6 Auburn two weeks ago. They didn't care that Georgia's own injuries -- playing with a banged-up Ladd McConkey and Brock Bowers -- likely played a large part in why the Tide won Saturday. They didn't care that the ACC has a winning record, head-to-head, against the SEC this season. They didn't care that Alabama beat 2023 Georgia, not 2021 or 2022 Georgia. They cared that Alabama and the SEC had to have a spot in the playoff by birthright. And as a result, they sent a message that what happened on the field -- the blood, tears and sacrifice that players made all season to win every game on their schedule -- was less important than getting the most compelling TV matchup.

But hey, there'll be a 12-team playoff next year, so all is forgiven, right?"
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