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 04/02/2019 05:04 PM
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tpapablo

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And it will bankrupt us too. What a deal.

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 04/02/2019 06:33 PM
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RustyTruck

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Guess how long you wait in the USA if you don't have insurance?

Health care debt is the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in this country. 60% of Americans can't write a check for $1000.

Where do you see the Brits calling for the end of the NHS in favor of an American style private profit system? You dont.

No country in the world wants the shit system we have. And the GOP has NO plan.

They like healthcare for the rich, screw the poor. Where's your plan Pablo?

You got yours, let them get theirs?

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 04/02/2019 06:39 PM
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RustyTruck

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Forbes? Fuck that capitalist rag.

VA? Socialized healthcare.

Medicare? Socialized healthcare.

Why not offer that to all Americans and set them free from shitty jobs that they keep for the medical benefits? Let them start a business. Let them not lose everything if they get sick.

Jesus, Americans can't be this stupid. Talk to a friend in another country about their healthcare. Ask them if they would swap their national system for a cut throat system like the USA.


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 04/03/2019 04:13 AM
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Fish Killer

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Medicare for all will NOT work....EVER!

Single Payer Healthcare will NOT work...EVER!

Doctors and Nurses dont work for free (or a 40% reduction in pay...as proposed by 'The Burn'...Bernie Sanders).

No...even YOU can make them!

FOOLS!

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 04/03/2019 05:08 AM
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Cole

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Make an affordable pay plan that will infuse competition into the market.

It doesn't have to be free, it just has to be affordable.

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 04/03/2019 06:44 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Make an affordable pay plan that will infuse competition into the market.



It doesn't have to be free, it just has to be affordable.


At 40% reduction in pay to doctors and nurses.... by Bernie Sanders ploy....the cost is 36 TRILLION DOLLARS!

MORON!

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 04/03/2019 07:13 AM
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Cole

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Yo, idiot, did I say anything about free health care or Sanders?

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 04/03/2019 07:14 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Yo, idiot, did I say anything about free health care or Sanders?


Then explain exactly how this works:

Originally posted by: Cole

Make an affordable pay plan that will infuse competition into the market.


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 04/03/2019 07:16 AM
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I pay three, four or five hundred a month instead of one thousand. Competition, aka the free market principle.

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 04/03/2019 07:21 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

I pay three, four or five hundred a month instead of one thousand. Competition, aka the free market principle.


One has to have free market for competition to happen...

Obamacare isn't free market.

Neither is single payer....

Neither is medicare for all....

Are you now turning into a Republican conservative?????

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 04/03/2019 07:38 AM
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RustyTruck

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Medicare for All would be a net savings over what Americans pay now for insurance company corporate jets and vacation houses.

Let the current CMS infrastructure manage the insurance for everyone and fund through taxation instead of putting the burden on business and workers.

It makes perfect sense to everyone who isn't profiting from the current broken system.

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 04/03/2019 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Medicare for All would be a net savings over what Americans pay now for insurance company corporate jets and vacation houses. Let the current CMS infrastructure manage the insurance for everyone and fund through taxation instead of putting the burden on business and workers. It makes perfect sense to everyone who isn't profiting from the current broken system.
The costs would be much higher, unless they ration and provide worse care. That's the trade off.

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 04/03/2019 09:36 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Medicare for All would be a net savings over what Americans pay now...


LIAR!

Not even CLOSE!

36 TRILLION dollars and doctors and nurses would need to take a 40% pay cut!

FOOL!

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 04/04/2019 05:05 AM
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Cole

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Obamacare isn't free market.


Yes, for the most part it is.

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 04/04/2019 06:46 AM
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wtf

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It's so funny how these billionaires have fk and tpap so brainwashed. They tell you it won't work and you buy it and then spout =complete nonsense. It works just fine thank you. But by all means, keep bankrupting 65% of Americans. I hope it happens to you, karma is a bitch...

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 04/04/2019 06:55 AM
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Didn't take long to figure out that particular article came from Pacific Research Institue which is funded by the Koch brothers and has big pharma as significant contributors - Funded by Koch Bros

Nice propaganda piece tpap, but you need to wake up a little earlier, LMFAO

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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Medicare for All would be a net savings over what Americans pay now for insurance company corporate jets and vacation houses.



Let the current CMS infrastructure manage the insurance for everyone and fund through taxation instead of putting the burden on business and workers.



It makes perfect sense to everyone who isn't profiting from the current broken system.



The costs would be much higher, unless they ration and provide worse care. That's the trade off.



That's not true, Medicare for All would be a 2 trillion savings over 10 years.

There's no need for "competition" in the administration of health insurance which everyone needs. Redundancy adds millions in costs, and profits for the private insurance companies (who add no value) drain resources.

There's no need to ban them, let them sell supplemental coverage if they like, but core medical, dental, vision, and mental health coverage should be established for all people in this country, and the cheapest delivery model is to expand Medicare.


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 04/04/2019 07:15 AM
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chopola

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I'm all for it if you can opt out and not pay the tax.
 04/04/2019 07:25 AM
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RustyTruck

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No, you'll pay the tax. But you'll not be paying for health insurance through your employer anymore. And if you change jobs, get laid off, get sick, or want to start a small business, no worries; you're covered.
You won't go bankrupt, you won't have to worry about paying for your meds, you'll be able to see a dentist, and get glasses if needed.



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 04/04/2019 07:28 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Obamacare isn't free market.





Yes, for the most part it is.


Ummmm...HELL NO IT ISNT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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