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dingpatch

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This clearly reflects a core problem involved with tackling climate change: concerns about the economy and jobs. Unless, and until, "population reduction" is taken more seriously, , , , this is what we have to deal with, , , ,! Notice the supposed emphasis on economic "expansion"? Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Australia Says Climate Change Targets Can't Risk Economy, Jobs
David Stringer
BloombergFebruary 22, 2020, 7:18 PM EST

(Bloomberg) -- Australia's government will work to set new long-term plans on reducing greenhouse gas emissions ahead of a key global summit this year, though signaled it won't pursue policies that pose risks to jobs or growth.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who has faced pressure over his climate and energy strategy in the wake of Australia's deadly wildfires, has criticized opponents for pledging to target net zero emissions by 2050 without detailing how they'll safeguard economic expansion.

"If we make the wrong decisions, not only would we be harming the Australian economy, harming Australian workers, we would also be harming the global environment," Finance Minister Mathias Cormann said in an interview on Sky News.

Australia's plans will need to account for the production of materials including liquefied natural gas, which is exported to markets like China or Japan and typically displaces more polluting energy sources, Cormann said. "We know that that helps reduce global emissions by more," he said.

Following the fires, Morrison, who won a national election in May and won't face a new poll until late 2022, has appeared to signal he'll resist any quick shift to more extensive cuts to carbon emissions. His Liberal-National coalition government also remains cautious over the impact on a coal sector that employs about 50,000 workers, according to the Minerals Council of Australia, an industry group.

Morrison's government will finalize long-term emissions reduction proposals ahead of the United Nations climate summit in Glasgow in November, Cormann said.

Australia may continue to be an exporter of thermal coal in 2050, according to Anthony Albanese, leader of the main opposition Labour Party, that's targeting net zero emissions by that date.

"That will be determined by the market and by international agreements," Albanese told ABC Television in an interview. "You don't measure the emissions where the original product comes from -- Japan isn't responsible for the emissions of every vehicle that's built in Japan."

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 02/23/2020 06:07 AM
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Cole

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Australia had a PM that thought it was a good idea to release coal waste over the Great Barrier reef, so are they really the go-to country when it comes to environmental issues?

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 02/23/2020 06:19 AM
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dingpatch

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No, certainly not a "Poster Child" but, pretty middle-of-the-road.

"Economic expansion and jobs" is one thing but, when do they come face-to-face with "mouths to feed"?

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Edited: 02/23/2020 at 06:19 AM by dingpatch
 02/23/2020 06:50 AM
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scombrid

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The modern western market economy thrives only on expansion. That has meant through time that the population needs to expand to grow the labor force faster than people age out and that resource use necessarily expands too. Technology has offset this to a degree but not completely by any stretch. Irrespective of climate change there have always been physical limits to how much expansion is sustainable because most natural resources cannot be replaced at the rate at which they are extracted. But if the size of the economy becomes stagnant or declines then economic exchange becomes a zero sum game. It s a catch-22 for which no economist has come up with a good answer. Natural law will force us to that point anyway. The question is how do we manage the transition?

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 02/23/2020 02:49 PM
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nukeh2o

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Another stupid dinghy post.
Australia's tourism industry got creamed. The barrier reef complex got shmeared , again.
Carbon emissions dimwit?
Much of the populace could barely friggin breathe for coupla months. Wildfires are carbon emissions too dumbass.
Why: even Rupert Murdoch's son is calling bullshit on this government. But you think you know what australians want?
I'd say again maybe wise up.....nahhhhh
Just: duuuhhuuhuuh.........silver foil hats!

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Edited: 02/23/2020 at 03:29 PM by nukeh2o
 02/24/2020 07:36 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: dingpatch

... Unless, and until, "population reduction" is taken more seriously, , , , this is what we have to deal with, , , ,!



Ding is talking about ecofascism.

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