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KeyserSoze

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Afraid he will lose - -
- - or afraid of what he might do ?


Democratic megadonor urges Pelosi and Schumer to pick a candidate in a bid to stop Bernie Sanders



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 02/27/2020 05:10 AM
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You sure are trying hard, Kevin Spacey

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 02/27/2020 05:12 AM
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Some democrats fear Bernie for the same reasons most republicans fear him.

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 02/27/2020 05:12 AM
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He's too far left for many of us. It's like trump except other way. I like some of his ideas, but reality is there has to be some compromise on his positions, they are too far left.

While I would love to see SL forgiveness of debt - it would really jolt the economy with 1.6T of disposable income freed up - it is not realistic. However what is very realistic is a cap on SL intrerest rates - that's a no brainer.

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 02/27/2020 05:29 AM
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He'll come back to the middle. Unlike the idiot in chief.
 02/27/2020 06:53 AM
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/san...mocrats-211151041.html

"I'll tell you exactly what [Sanders's agenda] adds up to," said Pete Buttigieg. "It adds up to four more years of Donald Trump, [House GOP Minority Leader] Kevin McCarthy as speaker of the House and the inability to get the Senate into Democratic hands. The time has come for us to stop acting like the presidency is the only office that matters. Not only is this a way to get Donald Trump reelected - we got a House to worry about. We got a Senate to worry about. And this is really important."

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 02/27/2020 06:58 AM
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Cole

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I'm 100% Democrat and I'm 100% Bernie. Like Greenie said, he will move to the Middle and considering the middle is now slightly left of center, I'm fine with that.

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 02/27/2020 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by: wtf He's too far left for many of us. It's like trump except other way. I like some of his ideas, but reality is there has to be some compromise on his positions, they are too far left.
this. careful though, you might get labeled a con with comments like that
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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: wtf

He's too far left for many of us. It's like trump except other way. I like some of his ideas, but reality is there has to be some compromise on his positions, they are too far left.



this. careful though, you might get labeled a con with comments like that

I already have been labeled that. I am both prog/con wrapped into one, like most reasonable people. In other word

It's the drama queens like papshmear, cheat, fake christian FK, and cranksshit that need to put labels on people. it's the only way their tiny brains can comprehend anything


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IF Bernie is to "move" more to the center, he better do it ASAP. Otherwise, "the die will be cast" and a lot of voters will only remember him as he is "today" not as he might be tomorrow.

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 02/27/2020 07:12 AM
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I find it amazing that the "smart" people on the right can't differentiate between a socialist and a democratic socialist.

It's like not knowing the difference between a cannibal and a carnivore...

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 02/27/2020 07:16 AM
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RustyTruck

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Bernie is barely left, but the US has gone so far right in the last 80 years that a moderate looks like a radical.

The powerful elites who benefit from the current system will fight tooth and nail against even the most mild reforms. Funny that a party calling itself "democratic" doesn't even try to hide it's undemocratic policies when the elites are threatened. "Super delegates" indeed.

On the actual left the most common belief is that electoral politics are bound to fail because the capitalists will never allow the people to vote away their wealth and privilege. They'll embrace fascism first.
I'll give voting another try, but if they screw Bernie then trump wins for sure, and the Democratic party is finished.

In Nevada Bernie got 75% of the voters 45 years old and younger. A lot of them will walk away rather than vote for an oligarch.



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 02/27/2020 08:08 AM
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RiddleMe

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Originally posted by: wtf
Originally posted by: RiddleMe
Originally posted by: wtf He's too far left for many of us. It's like trump except other way. I like some of his ideas, but reality is there has to be some compromise on his positions, they are too far left.
this. careful though, you might get labeled a con with comments like that
I already have been labeled that. I am both prog/con wrapped into one, like most reasonable people. In other word It's the drama queens like papshmear, cheat, fake christian FK, and cranksshit that need to put labels on people. it's the only way their tiny brains can comprehend anything
you left a couple of names off that list, but yeah i agree
 02/27/2020 09:16 AM
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Last time everyone wanted Bernie except Rich. Thus Hillray got in. We all saw how that turned out.
 02/27/2020 11:20 AM
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DNC superdelegates warn they will block Bernie Sanders at convention and spark civil war within party
Graig Graziosi
The IndependentFebruary 27, 2020, 12:41 PM EST

Senator Bernie Sanders' issues with the Democratic establishment may continue past the nominating races and into the Democratic National Convention, according to a new report.

If Mr Sanders arrives at the convention with any less than a majority of delegates pledged to him, he may find himself with a wave of superdelegates voting against his nomination.

The New York Times reported Thursday that in interviews with 93 superdelegates, only nine said that Mr Sanders arriving at the convention with a plurality was reason enough to support him as nominee.

In the event that Mr Sanders does only win a plurality of pledged delegates, there could be a brokered convention and subsequent fight to choose a nominee.

The Times report was "based on interviews with the 93 superdelegates, out of 771 total, as well as party strategists and aides to senior Democrats about the thinking of party leaders."

Those leaders apparently told the Times they anticipated a fight at the July nominating convention.

"A vast majority of those superdelegates - whose ranks include federal elected officials, former presidents and vice presidents and DNC members - predicted that no candidate would clinch the nomination during the primaries, and that there would be a brokered convention fight in July to choose a nominee."

Politico reported similar findings. In interviews with 20 superdelegates, none of them expressed explicitly endorsement of Mr Sanders' belief that whoever gets the most pledged delegates by the convention should get the nomination.

"No, no I think the rules are set and we ought to follow the rules. Especially when someone says follow the rules who's not even a Democrat," Congressman Jaun Vargas said. Mr Vargas has endorsed former New York City mayor Mike Bloomberg for nominee.

Thanks to a rule change limiting the powers of superdelegates - which largely came about due to criticism from Mr Sanders following the 2016 Democratic primary - they are now only allowed to vote if no candidate wins the 1,991 pledged delegates needed to reach a majority.

Congressman Anthony Brown, who has endorsed former South Bend, Indiana mayor Pete Buttigieg, said there is "going to be a fight no matter what the outcome is."

Should Mr Sanders arrive at the convention with a strong plurality, any attempt by superdelegates to nominate someone else is likely to be seen by Mr Sanders' supporters as the Democratic establishment gaming the system to nominate their preferred candidate. Such a move would likely damage the already tenuous coalition between establishment Democrats and progressive Democrats.

"It's going to be pretty tough to take the nomination away from someone who's got a strong plurality. If it's neck and neck and close and everybody's close, that's one thing. But if there's a clear winner, it's hard to overturn," Congressman John Larson said. "People can fantasize about a brokered convention but it's going to be awfully hard to overturn the will of the people."

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 02/27/2020 12:02 PM
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Cole

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If Bernie gets the most before the convention, the Superdelegates won't matter. You can't predict the unpredictable.

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 02/27/2020 12:02 PM
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Cole

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And Ding, why do you care about Democrats, you are a Trump guy?

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 02/27/2020 12:04 PM
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Cole

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Never mind, you post these things in an effort to sow discord in the Democratic ranks.

My aren't we the good Trumpette! lol

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 02/27/2020 12:14 PM
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In the debate the other night Bernie said he wants to help minorities by helping them sell weed. LOL

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 02/27/2020 12:16 PM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: Sniper

In the debate the other night Bernie said he wants to help minorities by helping them sell weed. LOL


That sure beat sending them to jail for smoking it.



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