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 06/04/2020 06:37 AM
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tpapablo

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LA to cut police budget. I support this, of course. I thoroughly enjoy seeing prog run cities devolve into chaos.

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 06/04/2020 06:54 AM
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You mean no money for the militarization of their force? No facial recognition technology, tracker apps, high tech sniper rifles, drones, tanks, armored personnel carriers and lawyers on the excessive force cases? How will they make it?

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Finally figured out that police are not military. Hooray for LA.

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Police budgets are now generally at or over 50% of big city budgets. They have tanks, helicopters, and suits of armor while city hospitals can't get PPE for docs and nurses.

Time to defund. We need "peace officers" again, not mechanized infantry.

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 06/04/2020 07:00 AM
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We need "peace officers" again, not mechanized infantry.


Yep, the tactical moves can now be community involvement and not military aggression. Good move LA.

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 06/04/2020 07:19 AM
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The militarization of police departments was a huge mistake. Glad to see them backtracking on that and getting back to public service.

Part of this is due to the post-911 mentality. Also, surplussing of military equipment and DHS money fueled this.

LEOs used to be very skilled at de-escalation and it was a point of pride to never have fired a shot during a LEO career. If shots were fired the training was to fire two shots, access the situation, rinse and repeat as required. Now most PDs train their personnel to empty their glocks or sigs or ?? into their target to neutralize the threat. That is why you get news stories like the two ladies delivering news papers whose truck was mistaken for a killers and police fired more than 100 rounds. Thankfully they were not killed, but on the other hand how embarrassing that the police hosed the truck down and didn't kill the perceived threat. BTW - the officers were not punished but received additional training.

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Well, I hope that we don't use the actual military to bail these dunces out, when things start going down the toilet. Let them go down.

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Cole

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Well, I hope that we don't use the actual military to bail these dunces out, when things start going down the toilet. Let them go down.


It's not happening tomorrow you moron. lol



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 06/04/2020 02:16 PM
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it will be like that movie where it had a fence around it and only democrats were on the inside doing what they do best, rape, pillage and destroy.. Hope they do go under
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You saw it here first



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Originally posted by: Sniper

You saw it here first







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In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".
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My tablet hates cops too apparently.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

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RustyTruck

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

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In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

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Minneapolis to do one better. Smart move. We should applaud this bold initiative and all prog governors and mayors should follow suit.

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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Minneapolis to do one better. Smart move.

We should applaud this bold initiative and all prog governors and mayors should follow suit.


Absolutely. Defund and disband.

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In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Originally posted by: tpapablo Minneapolis to do one better. Smart move. We should applaud this bold initiative and all prog governors and mayors should follow suit.
Absolutely. Defund and disband.
Funny, isn't it? You and I, who are at the opposite ends of the political spectrum, share a lot of the same views. And largely for the same reasons. The difference is how we think things will end up. I am thinking we will have a prog free capitalist country, and you think we'll have a socialist country. We'll see how it works out. Hopefully it will not end in a prog country. That, in my view, is the worst of all worlds. I'd rather be governed by socialists than progs.

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I wouldn't say opposite ends, it's more of a matrix, and we both are on the anti-authoritarian side of the chart. When I talk about the principled rejection of hierarchy, it's essentially the same thing as "small government".

I don't want a corrupt government program that taxes people and then tries to set up bureaucracies to decide who qualifies for help, I want communities based on democratic principles to produce what's necessary to meet the real needs of that population and not produce commodities to sell so a few owners of the production tools can mass wealth.

The idea is no "government" really, just federations of autonomous collectives. You can start ones that allows a few to own means of production and try to hire people to work; but who would do that if they could affiliate with a collective that works 4 hours a day and produces what everyone needs? Socialism by it's very nature has to be voluntary, so people could choose for themselves how they want to live.


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In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".
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