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Topic Summary: The GOP’s go to.
Created On: 07/06/2020 04:21 PM
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johnnyboy

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Even when they are going after trump.

What goes around is now coming around.

http://www.politico.com/news/m...icans-democrats-349184

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 07/06/2020 04:31 PM
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RustyTruck

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The game is on, that's for sure. Damn shame that no matter what, you get a Republican president.

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HAPDigital

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I agree.
 07/06/2020 04:46 PM
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scombrid

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Getting undergraduate and graduate degrees in ecology and natural resource management we study a fair amount of economics and decision theory; "Human Dimensions". It starts with Garrett Hardin's "Tragedy of the Commons" and builds from there. You learn a lot about what makes people tick and what collective behaviors and motivations can lead to better or worse collective outcomes. The biggie is that "rational self interest" that maximizes the utility of short term economic decisions tends to drive the bus. It is why capitalism is the most productive and most efficient economic system. But it is also an Achilles heal of sorts when collective fuckups and lizard brain decision making cause market failures. Academics and Democrats make the fatal error of trying to appeal to logic and "good nature" to get people to make better decisions when collective action is needed to elevate average outcomes. The oligarchs have learned that you can really drive people by pushing the lizard brain buttons.

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RustyTruck

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"The biggie is that "rational self interest" that maximizes the utility of short term economic decisions tends to drive the bus. It is why capitalism is the most productive and most efficient economic system. "

I used to think this too. But it's only true on the small scale. The moment capitalists can afford to purchase the systems of authority it goes out the window. "Efficient" is not empty housing units while people are evicted, food thrown away when kids are hungry, or billions given to corporations as "covid relief" while small business fails.

In fact, you're not talking about capitalism at all, you're talking about free markets. And the first thing they teach in capitalism (bidness) school is how to defeat free markets and create monopoly.

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Edited: 07/06/2020 at 05:33 PM by RustyTruck
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Fish Killer

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The left is ashamed of this country. How can they lead a country they despise?

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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HAPDigital

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We're ashamed of Trump and his sycophants. Nothing more.
 07/06/2020 06:01 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

We're ashamed of Trump and his sycophants. Nothing more.


Nope!

Very very clearly you and your ILK HATE this country...that's why you and your iILK are trying so desperately to remove it's history....fundamentally change it.....remove it!

It's a FACT!

YOU hate this country and everything it stands for!

2020...

DONE!

One other thing...you're a liar!

Caught again...

You and fishkller....#1 fans!

Bravo...

IDIOT!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

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RustyTruck

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Then you'll get nothing more.

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 07/06/2020 06:24 PM
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johnnyboy

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It may not be your idea of good but it's everyone's idea of better.

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 07/06/2020 07:08 PM
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HAPDigital

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I love the USA. I even served to defend it from all enemies foreign and domestic. Trump is the biggest domestic enemy I've seen in my life time.
 07/06/2020 07:17 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

I love the USA.


Liar!

FACT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 07/06/2020 07:34 PM
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fishkller

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital
Trump is the biggest domestic enemy I've seen in my life time.



Yup. People don't even realize it, but we are in another Cold War, and losing apparently.



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 07/06/2020 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck "The biggie is that "rational self interest" that maximizes the utility of short term economic decisions tends to drive the bus. It is why capitalism is the most productive and most efficient economic system. " I used to think this too. But it's only true on the small scale. The moment capitalists can afford to purchase the systems of authority it goes out the window. "Efficient" is not empty housing units while people are evicted, food thrown away when kids are hungry, or billions given to corporations as "covid relief" while small business fails. In fact, you're not talking about capitalism at all, you're talking about free markets. And the first thing they teach in capitalism (bidness) school is how to defeat free markets and create monopoly.
Rational short term self interest still drives the bus. You can monopolize it like now. You can let it run loose where it often works but sometimes has a bed shitting market failure. Or you can put in regulatory stops t o blunt the bad.

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 07/06/2020 08:10 PM
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HAPDigital

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Originally posted by: fishkller

Originally posted by: HAPDigital

Trump is the biggest domestic enemy I've seen in my life time.






Yup. People don't even realize it, but we are in another Cold War, and losing apparently.


38% of the US is complicit.
 07/06/2020 09:10 PM
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Greensleeves

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talk about fear!

russki gets the GOP no matter what? get over yourself genius. The democrats are the closest thing to socialism you'll get in your lifetime unless you move.

minnow kisser coming unglued as he realizes the toilet that is the oval office currently is getting flushed.

barring a brain and heart transplant for the sack o' $hit in chief he will be no more!
 07/07/2020 06:49 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: scombrid

Originally posted by: RustyTruck

"The biggie is that "rational self interest" that maximizes the utility of short term economic decisions tends to drive the bus. It is why capitalism is the most productive and most efficient economic system. "



I used to think this too. But it's only true on the small scale. The moment capitalists can afford to purchase the systems of authority it goes out the window. "Efficient" is not empty housing units while people are evicted, food thrown away when kids are hungry, or billions given to corporations as "covid relief" while small business fails.



In fact, you're not talking about capitalism at all, you're talking about free markets. And the first thing they teach in capitalism (bidness) school is how to defeat free markets and create monopoly.


Rational short term self interest still drives the bus. You can monopolize it like now. You can let it run loose where it often works but sometimes has a bed shitting market failure. Or you can put in regulatory stops t o blunt the bad.


Once again, markets and capitalism are not the same thing.
It's not in the best interest of the vast majority of people for means of production to be controlled by individuals who will "act in their self interest" at the cost of society.

And Green, I don't think the situation in November or the future of this country is as predictable as you do, but good luck with it.

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 07/07/2020 07:19 AM
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Cole

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It's about time for the "fear the brown people" part of the campaign to kick back in from Trump.

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 07/07/2020 07:32 AM
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theglide

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Is a HUGE caravan on the way?

We can only hope, the lawn looks horrible and don't get me started on the edging!
 07/07/2020 01:51 PM
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johnnyboy

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From Canadia.

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