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 09/22/2020 08:43 AM
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HAPDigital

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: 426Blue

Sorry for misfire. Tpap - Trump admitted to doing the equivalent of dropping a nuke on American territory. He admitted to knowing about the high degree of contagiousness of Covid-19 weeks and maybe months before the public became fully informed. He chose to keep it to himself, and even worse, underplay the veracity of the disease, likely because he thought it would make the stock market tank, damaging the one perceived accomplishment, which he wrongfully takes credit. Had he shared what he knew about Covid-19, you can bet that millions would have immediately changed their behavior in time to save thousands of lives, and prevent millions from becoming ill.

There is zero difference between Trump's actions in February and March where he elected to not inform the public of the true dangers of Covid-19, versus a decision to not divulge his knowledge of a nuclear warhead headed towards Melbourne FL from North Korea or some other unstable country.

Hopefully you will keep your word, and at least not vote for Trump.


I have one gripe about how Trump handled corona. He should not have encouraged lock downs. That was unnecessary. But he corrected that as more information became available. The greatest number of lives lost occurred in nursing homes and such. The dem governors oversaw that fiasco. In any event, he didn't nuke the U.S., so I will be voting for Trump.


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 09/22/2020 08:48 AM
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I'll do one: if trump were to suggest an assault weapons ban or any sort of gun control beyond the most superficial measure there would be a lot of "one issue" gun culture types who would consider an alternative pro-gun candidate if there were one.



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Trump was a vocal advocate of gun control in the form of stricter background checks, until he noticed that it angered his base. For most of Trump's adult life, he has been left leaning in every regard. He only decided to identify himself as a conservative or Republican (which he really isn't), when he identified a large swath of Americans (what we now know as Trump cult followers) that would unconditionally worship him, as long as he told them that they were victims, and all of their problems (real or perceived) were someone else's fault. Kind of reminds me of an aspect of socialism. Tpap - I'm disappointed in you going back on your word. Your condition only applies to a nuclear weapon? A biological weapon is just as deadly and dangerous as a nuclear weapon. Trump may have not lit the fuse for the Covid biological weapon, but he indisputably made sure that the fuse stayed lit through much of February and March, inflicting maximum damage on Americans.
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BioWeapons have been used more, and have killed more people, than nuclear weapons by far.

Going back to the medieval days they would catapult rotting corpses over the walls of besieged towns and castles to spread plague and disease. And of course the new landers giving Native Americans small poxed blankets to kill them off was quite effective and just friking evil.

And now we have a president who put his own interests ahead of his constituents and who is ok with the numbers that have died, and will die. He may not of pulled the trigger, but his actions and inaction lead to needless deaths...with more to come. He is our president, so the buck stops there. If he had any integrity and honor he would own that.

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Originally posted by: 426Blue Trump was a vocal advocate of gun control in the form of stricter background checks, until he noticed that it angered his base. For most of Trump's adult life, he has been left leaning in every regard. He only decided to identify himself as a conservative or Republican (which he really isn't), when he identified a large swath of Americans (what we now know as Trump cult followers) that would unconditionally worship him, as long as he told them that they were victims, and all of their problems (real or perceived) were someone else's fault. Kind of reminds me of an aspect of socialism. Tpap - I'm disappointed in you going back on your word. Your condition only applies to a nuclear weapon? A biological weapon is just as deadly and dangerous as a nuclear weapon. Trump may have not lit the fuse for the Covid biological weapon, but he indisputably made sure that the fuse stayed lit through much of February and March, inflicting maximum damage on Americans.
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Apparently, Tpapalachia cherry picks his industrial-scale death tolls LOL

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Copied from Jim Wright:

Question from the audience: "Stonekettle, what does Trump hold over the Republican congress (other threat tweets), to make them allow his treasonous activities?"

Nothing.

Hitler didn't have to blackmail Nazis into being terrible people.

THEY WERE TERRIBLE PEOPLE.

No SS Guard had to be blackmailed into committing genocide on an industrial scale, they VOLUNTEERED.

Gestapo Officers weren't bribed into rounding up enemies of the state or murdering Jews in the street, they WANTED TO DO IT.

Because they were terrible people.

Maybe the average German wasn't, but they didn't do anything to stop it either -- so long as the fucking Nazis didn't come for THEM.

And the truth of the matter is that they never thought they'd lose. They thought the end they wanted justified the means. They were absolutely certain that when it was all over, when they'd conquered the world and eliminated all the undesirables, those who were left would cheer them. Cheer their ideology, their vision of a master race, of some Aryan ideal of law and order and strength.

It never occurred to them that they would lose.

It never occurred to them that they would be held accountable, that the ends didn't justify the means, that they were criminals and murderers and fucking genocidal thugs.

The movies nowadays like to portray Nazi generals as some sort of victims, full of doubts and second thoughts, worthy of pity. Professionals bullied by Hitler into terrible crimes. But that's bullshit. They were fucking Nazis and they did what they did willingly.

When it was over, when they were put on trial and led to the gallows, they were unrepentant. They still believed they were the master race and that every terrible thing they did was justified.

Hell, there are still a handful of these assholes around today. And they are STILL unashamed and unrepentant.

Because they were terrible people.

They weren't led astray by Hitler. They went willingly. Because THAT'S who they were.

It's the same thing today.

All that happened was Trump freed these assholes to be themselves. And once they've gone this far, they can't go back. So, they're all in and if we let them, they'll go the rest of the way.

They've SAID so.

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 09/24/2020 02:06 PM
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I've heard that from several ex Nazis, including one who whipped out his national socialist card. That he still carried.
"Hitler was just misunderstood, that's all...."

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Pagerow, that is such a profound essay, dripping with truth and righteousness.

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Originally posted by: theglide

Pagerow, that is such a profound essay, dripping with truth and righteousness.


Yeah, Jim Wright has a great way with words, expressing what is really going on.

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 09/26/2020 06:59 AM
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Copied from A NAZI Brownshirt: How do Democrats justify supporting NAZI brownshirt and justify riots and burning of buildings and pardoning those that assault, riot and steal?? They employ these tactics to retain power over minorities and to stop public discourse and free speech.. They didn't have to blackmail Nazis into being terrible people. THEY WERE TERRIBLE PEOPLE. No SS Guard had to be blackmailed into committing genocide on an industrial scale, they VOLUNTEERED. Gestapo Officers weren't bribed into rounding up enemies of the state or murdering Jews in the street, they WANTED TO DO IT. Because they were terrible people. Maybe the average German wasn't, but they didn't do anything to stop it either -- so long as the fucking Anti-Fa didn't come for THEM. >>> BUT here in America we have average Americans counter protesting and STOPPING the NAZI Brownshirts Anti-Fa... The Democrats HAATE these free speech Americans... And the truth of the matter is that Anti-Fa never thought they'd lose. They thought the end they wanted justified the means. They were absolutely certain that when it was all over, when they'd conquered the world and eliminated all the undesirables, those who were left would cheer them. Cheer their ideology, their vision of a Ruling race, of some SOCIALIST ideal of law and order and strength. It never occurred to them that they would lose. It never occurred to them that they would be held accountable, that the ends didn't justify the means, that they were criminals and murderers and fucking riotous thugs. The Press nowadays like to portray Anti-Fa as some sort of victims, full of doubts and second thoughts, worthy of pity. Innocent students bullied by Police into terrible crimes. But that's bullshit. They were fucking Nazis and they did what they did willingly. When it was over, when they were put on trial and led to the gallows, they were unrepentant. They still believed they were the superior race and that every terrible thing they did was justified. Hell, there are still a handful of these assholes around today. And they are STILL unashamed and unrepentant. The Democrats coddle them and enable their illegal and dangerous behavior because they are the new Democrats and they support putting Democrats back into power... Because they are terrible people. They weren't led astray by Hitler. They went willingly. Because THAT'S who they were. It's the same thing today. All that happened was the Democrats freed these assholes to be themselves. And once they've gone this far, they can't go back. So, they're all in and if we let them, they'll go the rest of the way. ..... They're Doing it right NOW...

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You need to go back to school, dude. It's apparent you do not know anything about European and World History. You do know the brownshirts, Sturmabteilung, purged all the communists, right? I'm assuming not. They were the right wing's paramilitary and they were the main reason Hitler came to power. Kinda like all those MAGA hat and Trump flag waving sheep herding themselves into tight groups at rallies and screaming white power at "protests". Kinda like the rentacops throwing tear gas and beating up protestors. Which brings me to another thing wrong with that copy/past trash you posted. What race are these imaginary brown shirts you paste about wanting to become the ruling race, the superior race? That's a biggy missing from your theory. Because the democrats are very diverse so there goes that idea. Along with the word anti-fa. LOLOLOL How could you claim anti-fa are brownshirts when brownshirts were fascists? LOLOLOL So much more wrong with your fucked up fantasy. Should I go on? I didn't even get started on ICE. Anyway, I truly recommend you go back to school. You're lost.









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What a fucking MORON!


By Its Own Definition Antifa is Fascist
By Daniel Kowalski

Antifa's founding can be traced back to 2007 in Portland and the Rose City Antifa group. Prior to 2016, the group's activities were limited to harassing neo-Nazi gatherings and doxing white supremacists. But that changed in 2016 after the election of Donald Trump, when the group declared a national emergency.

Rose City Antifa has a website full of information about the group. In their FAQ (frequently asked questions) section, they admit that fascism can be difficult to define as all fascist movements do not have the same features. They utilize a definition of fascism that is based on a cluster of traits, so that a specific definition is never mentioned. While a movement may not have every one of these traits, if there is a preponderance (a specific number is never defined but we can believe that it's two or more) then Antifa will classify that movement or group as fascist. By these criteria, Antifa clearly is fascist.



Seven of the traits of Fascism listed on their page are:

anti-Enlightenment
anti-reason
the creation of a vilified other
reliance on violence or threats of violence to impose views on others
anti-liberal
anti-conservative, and
portraying the current social and political situation as one of dire decay brought about by decadence and corruption.
Anti-Enlightenment and Anti-Reason: The core philosophy of the Enlightenment and the concept of reason can be traced to the Socratic Method of debate, where one side presents a case, a second side presents a counter argument, and the debate back and forth about the idea in front of a group where ideas are freely spoken and judged for their merit.

Antifa claims to be against racism and hate speech. In fact, most people are against racism and hate speech and when they hear it, they freely make up their mind and assume that speaker is an idiot. And in a free society, people can say and do stupid things freely without being stopped forcefully unless they're inciting violence.

Antifa says that all fascists should be prevented from speaking. They are against the concept of free speech and have no problem violating the First Amendment rights of others. They are therefore anti-Enlightenment and anti-reason.

"Failing to stop fascists from speaking, that is, giving them the opportunity to organize and impose their agenda on the rest of us - makes you as bad as them."

The Creation of the Vilified Other: By having a broad list of traits that can be used to label someone as a fascist and then shut them out of society Antifa itself is creating a vilified other.

Reliance on Violence or Threats of Violence to Impose Views on Others: Showing up to demonstrations and events in a ski mask with bats and mace to club those you define as "fascist" fits this criterion. Likewise, the assault on journalist Andy Ngo was meant to serve as a message to anyone who professed a negative view of the group.

Anti-Liberal: The United States of America is a liberal democracy that Antifa rejects because they claim, without proof, that the liberal democratically elected leaders "have more in common with fascism than they do with us" So, the elected leaders and voters must therefore be part of the vilified others. They also criticize the liberals that defend free speech.

Anti-Conservative: They have showed up to harass and attack participants at conservative gatherings that were not-alt right and did not have any ties to White Nationalism on the basis that conservatives are oppressive fascists.

Portraying the Current Social and Political Situation as One of Dire Decay Brought About by Decadence and Corruption: "Likewise, we reject the "right" of the government and police - who have more in common with fascists than they do with us - to decide for us when fascists have crossed the line by merely expressing themselves into posing an immediate threat."

By rejecting the democratically elected law makers and law enforcers as corrupted fascists they are portraying the current situation as decayed by corruption where the only hope for healing is for them to take matters into their own hands.

By using Antifa's own definition that one can be a fascist by having traits found in Fascist government, Antifa is fascist by their own logic. It's clear that they believe the current liberal democracy government of the country has failed and what the people need are strong incorruptible leaders to take the reins and do what is needed to fix it in their image.

And while Antifa does not have a leader or spokesperson whose identity is publicly known, there is someone is running their official website and planning their protests. They might be keeping their identity secret for now out of fear of law enforcement, but they are likely out there.

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Reasons to not vote Trump, He is a environmental disaster...: Trump bans oil drilling off Virginia, North Carolina ... 15 hours ago · President Trump on Friday announced a ban on oil drilling off the coast of North Carolina and Virginia - expanding an Atlantic moratorium he established this month. Trump announced the surprise restrictions at a large campaign rally in Newport News, Virginia. He had earlier this month banned drilling off the coast of Florida, Georgia and South Carolina...

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Reason not to vote Trump... environmental NAZI: Trump Signs Landmark Great American Outdoors Act - The New ... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/.. Aug 04, 2020 · WASHINGTON - President Trump on Tuesday signed into law the Great American Outdoors Act, a measure with broad bipartisan support that guarantees maximum annual funding for a federal program to...

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Why not to vote for Trump.... Trump signs PACT Act, making animal cruelty a felony https://www.usatoday.com/story/ Nov 26, 2019 · President Donald Trump signed a bill making animal cruelty a felony, expanding on legislation from 2010 that made creation or distribution of

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Any President that does this, deserves a NO vote... 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund extension signed by Trump ... https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/29/politics/donald-trump-signs-9-11-bill... Jul 29, 2019 · President Donald Trump on Monday signed an act into law which authorizes the extension of the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund.

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Originally posted by: somebodyelse

Reasons to not vote Trump, He is a environmental disaster...: Trump bans oil drilling off Virginia, North Carolina ...

15 hours ago · President Trump on Friday announced a ban on oil drilling off the coast of North Carolina and Virginia - expanding an Atlantic moratorium he established this month. Trump announced the surprise restrictions at a large campaign rally in Newport News, Virginia. He had earlier this month banned drilling off the coast of Florida, Georgia and South Carolina...




You know what that word means, right? Maybe you should quit. You're no good at this. Put more effort into getting a GED.
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