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WG

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It's been almost three months since Trump left the White House, most
Republicans still believe his election loss was the result of a rigged election or
illegal voting
Topline Findings
Washington, DC, April 2, 2021 - A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that most Americans agree that
former President Donald Trump was partly to blame for the Jan. 6th riot at the Capitol, and 61%
agree that he should not run for president again in 2024. However, support for Trump among his
Republican base remains strong as 55% of Republicans believe his 2020 election loss resulted from
illegal voting or election rigging. Paradoxically, 35% of Republicans agreed with both of the following
theories: that the people who gathered at the U.S. Capitol on Jan 6th were peaceful, law-abiding
Americans and that it was actually led by violent left-wing protestors trying to make Trump look bad.
To that end, 81% of Republicans still view Trump favorably. Of the other Republican political figures
asked about, Republicans were most familiar with Mitt Romney and Ted Cruz, yet favorability for
both of these figures is not as high as for Donald Trump. Sixty-one percent view Ted Cruz favorably,
and only 38% favor Mitt Romney.
Finally, when it comes to voting rights, 81% of Americans believe it is important for the government
to make it easier to vote, but 74% also think it's important that new limits are set to protect elections
from fraud.

ipsos

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Thank you WG for an informative post citing a reputable news source.

In the long run Qrump is the best thing to happen to liberalism in America.

He is the orange, worm-eaten albatross around the skinny failing neck of the QOP and they will never recover from him.
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tpapablo

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It was lost by fraud. If it wasn't, why won't dems investigate it? Indeed they are imposing road blocks to those who are. If I may serve as an example, I love demonstrating that my foes are idiots.

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 04/12/2021 07:15 AM
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I see "The Big Lie" is still the popular with the pugs, regular folks have moved on.

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but 74% also think it's important that new limits are set to protect elections
from fraud.

Why, if there was no fraud, do %74 of Americans believe that new 'Laws' need to be set to protect elections??

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Well I don't believe that statistic, but if anyone thinks that it's because there's a well funded propaganda machine that has been trying to convince them of it from the moment trump lost the election.

The Pugs are an anti-democratic party, and they understand that their only path to power is via disenfranchising voters who tend to vote Dem.

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Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system.

In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer".

Edited: 04/12/2021 at 10:36 AM by RustyTruck
 04/12/2021 07:50 AM
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tpapablo

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck I see "The Big Lie" is still the popular with the pugs, regular folks have moved on.
Not the regular folks. The idiots who believed the Russian collusion Big Lie are the ones who have moved on. As always, they are on the wrong side of the truth.

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 04/12/2021 07:57 AM
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I love the poeple that think Joe Biden personally caused gas prices to go up.......gas price is low during election and is high after.........every damn time no matter who's doing what

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Greensleeves

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Yes pandaroo the qotard movement is feeble in:

logical thought
economics
ability to ride a wave
Saying no to a request for contributions from their orange puppet master

They suq
 04/12/2021 09:28 AM
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>>During the Trump era, we've already seen how Republicans who once embraced free trade are now committed protectionists. The party that insisted that "character matters" in the 1990s, decided that nothing mattered after Trump came along. Republicans cared deeply about deficits and debts ... until they lost interest. A party that prided itself on its patriotism has made its peace with a seditious insurrection, and now finds itself attacking the national pastime.


It's a head-shaking display of ideological malleability that seems like a rejection of every principle that conservatives held dear. The reality is that the GOP's working-class war against corporate America is neither a war, nor working class, nor especially anti-corporate. Like almost everything else in Republican politics these days, the GOP-corporate slap fight is more performative than substantive. And everyone involved knows it.

For decades, Republicans claimed to believe in local control and the right of private businesses to make their own decisions. But now, activist GOP governors like Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas are signing executive orders barring businesses from requiring "vaccination passports."

Conservatives who once claimed they favored limited government, now push an ambitious array of state mandates and interventions. Senators like Josh Hawley have called for the creation of new bureaucracies to audit and monitor speech on social media platforms. "Constitutional conservatives" like Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee threaten to use government power to retaliate against private organizations for their political speech.

And until about five minutes ago, GOP Minority Leader Mitch McConnell was the Senate's chief defender of the free speech rights of corporate America. Back in 2012, when Democrats pressed for more transparency in corporate political spending, McConnell declared: "It is critically important for all conservatives - and indeed all Americans - to stand up and unite in defense of the freedom to organize around the causes we believe in, and against any effort that would constrain our ability to do so."<<

THis is from an oped in Politico. It struck as me as proof the times have changed.




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 04/12/2021 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy >>During the Trump era, we've already seen how Republicans who once embraced free trade are now committed protectionists. The party that insisted that "character matters" in the 1990s, decided that nothing mattered after Trump came along. Republicans cared deeply about deficits and debts ... until they lost interest. A party that prided itself on its patriotism has made its peace with a seditious insurrection, and now finds itself attacking the national pastime. It's a head-shaking display of ideological malleability that seems like a rejection of every principle that conservatives held dear. The reality is that the GOP's working-class war against corporate America is neither a war, nor working class, nor especially anti-corporate. Like almost everything else in Republican politics these days, the GOP-corporate slap fight is more performative than substantive. And everyone involved knows it. For decades, Republicans claimed to believe in local control and the right of private businesses to make their own decisions. But now, activist GOP governors like Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas are signing executive orders barring businesses from requiring "vaccination passports." Conservatives who once claimed they favored limited government, now push an ambitious array of state mandates and interventions. Senators like Josh Hawley have called for the creation of new bureaucracies to audit and monitor speech on social media platforms. "Constitutional conservatives" like Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee threaten to use government power to retaliate against private organizations for their political speech. And until about five minutes ago, GOP Minority Leader Mitch McConnell was the Senate's chief defender of the free speech rights of corporate America. Back in 2012, when Democrats pressed for more transparency in corporate political spending, McConnell declared: "It is critically important for all conservatives - and indeed all Americans - to stand up and unite in defense of the freedom to organize around the causes we believe in, and against any effort that would constrain our ability to do so."<< THis is from an oped in Politico. It struck as me as proof the times have changed.
The dems left a wide open hole for us to march through and we took advantage. The dems dumped the working man in favor of billionaires. They try to keep minorities under their sway by the use of "racism" in every statment they make. But the reality is that they are pissing on minorities, as is shown by the recent open border policy, which will undercut minority wages and which sky-rocketed under Trump. So, now the GOP represents the common man. That includes minorities, who will continue to drift our way. When your enemy (and the enemy of America) gives you a gift, take it.

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 04/12/2021 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: johnnyboy

>>During the Trump era, we've already seen how Republicans who once embraced free trade are now committed protectionists. The party that insisted that "character matters" in the 1990s, decided that nothing mattered after Trump came along. Republicans cared deeply about deficits and debts ... until they lost interest. A party that prided itself on its patriotism has made its peace with a seditious insurrection, and now finds itself attacking the national pastime.



It's a head-shaking display of ideological malleability that seems like a rejection of every principle that conservatives held dear. The reality is that the GOP's working-class war against corporate America is neither a war, nor working class, nor especially anti-corporate. Like almost everything else in Republican politics these days, the GOP-corporate slap fight is more performative than substantive. And everyone involved knows it.



For decades, Republicans claimed to believe in local control and the right of private businesses to make their own decisions. But now, activist GOP governors like Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas are signing executive orders barring businesses from requiring "vaccination passports."



Conservatives who once claimed they favored limited government, now push an ambitious array of state mandates and interventions. Senators like Josh Hawley have called for the creation of new bureaucracies to audit and monitor speech on social media platforms. "Constitutional conservatives" like Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee threaten to use government power to retaliate against private organizations for their political speech.



And until about five minutes ago, GOP Minority Leader Mitch McConnell was the Senate's chief defender of the free speech rights of corporate America. Back in 2012, when Democrats pressed for more transparency in corporate political spending, McConnell declared: "It is critically important for all conservatives - and indeed all Americans - to stand up and unite in defense of the freedom to organize around the causes we believe in, and against any effort that would constrain our ability to do so."<<



THis is from an oped in Politico. It struck as me as proof the times have changed.


The dems left a wide open hole for us to march through and we took advantage. The dems dumped the working man in favor of billionaires. They try to keep minorities under their sway by the use of "racism" in every statment they make. But the reality is that they are pissing on minorities, as is shown by the recent open border policy, which will undercut minority wages and which sky-rocketed under Trump. So, now the GOP represents the common man. That includes minorities, who will continue to drift our way. When your enemy (and the enemy of America) gives you a gift, take it.


We won the last election by a landslide...yet the fraud was so great that it still had the demoshits win.

How is epic fraud going to be stopped by the next election?



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 04/12/2021 11:24 AM
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" most
Republicans still believe his election loss was the result of a rigged election".

Only a small percentage really believe it. The rest are just bad sports that don't give two ships and a flock about the USA. It's about giving their rich sugar daddy a bone.
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: SlimyBritches

" most

Republicans still believe his election loss was the result of a rigged election".



Only a small percentage really believe it.


Liar!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 04/12/2021 11:29 AM
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Fish Killer

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...and thats a rigged liberal poll!

http://www.ipsos.com/en-us/new...as-stolen-donald-trump

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 04/12/2021 02:07 PM
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Greensleeves

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QOP = suckers. Stick with Qrump! QOP irrelevancy guaranteed!
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The dems embraced millionaires. That's rich. Pun intended.

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 04/12/2021 03:31 PM
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tpapablo

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Some are investigating. I will be watching the result of the audit closely.

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follydude

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Boo-hoo Boehner is trying to make a comeback run.

Or, at least he is trying to sell books.

Allthewhile, stoking broad brushes of revisionist history.

T'rump-tards, Conservitards. Shake 'em up in a bag. They fall out the same.


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Trump's sixty plus cases were so pathetic that all courts - Liberal, Conservative, Independent - couldn't even be bothered with trying them. Just a clown show of drunks, lies, disease spreading and other fabricated bullshit.

As to fraud, yes, I'm sure it was attempted, but by Republicans. There is no way Trump won the state of Florida by the margins he did and doubly so considering that the votes that put him over the top came from Blue areas of the state.

Without this fraud, Biden would had won by a larger margin.

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