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tpapablo

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Rusty wanted an anarchist and Dementia Joe turned out to be just that. Hard to imagine that someone could create so much chaos in 3 short months. We went to a vibrant economy to one teetering on the brink. All Biden had to do to keep that going was nothing. We had peace around the world. Not now. We had illegal immigration under control. Utter pandemonium now. Children left alone in a desert. We had low inflation. Now it is sky-rocketing. We had bad debt before. Now it is far worse. Crime was way down. Now it has exploded. Congratulations, Rusty, you got one of yours in finally. Let's see what happens.

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 05/12/2021 06:52 AM
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And the GOP was impotent to stop it. No amount of cheating, insurrectionist treason, gerrymandering, court cases snd lies could stop it. The GOP has been castrated and all due to an anarchist with dementia. The GOP may as well have tried to stop the coming of summer. Seriously, how does anyone respect such impotent losers. Besides you, Tpap, that makes sense.

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 05/12/2021 07:07 AM
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Sorry Pabs, Joe dislikes us anarchists as much as we dislike him. You're better off blaming the "progs".

That said, the country is clearly in a much better position today than it was during the trump regime.

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 05/12/2021 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Sorry Pabs, Joe dislikes us anarchists as much as we dislike him. You're better off blaming the "progs". That said, the country is clearly in a much better position today than it was during the trump regime.
That's what I said. Much better position if you are an anarchist.

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 05/12/2021 07:17 AM
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The cities that have been run by Democrats, claiming they have all the answers, for half a century or more are absolutely imploding. People are fleeing in droves. Crime is going through the roof. You have schools with 10% literacy rates spending more time on changing the name on the front of the school than they are on teaching the kids inside. Who are Democrats going to blame that shit on? When you look at where Democrats do what they want, unfettered, it is pretty obvious what you get. Democrats should thank the god of their choice that we did the census in 2020, instead of 2021.

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 05/12/2021 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy And the GOP was impotent to stop it. No amount of cheating, insurrectionist treason, gerrymandering, court cases snd lies could stop it. The GOP has been castrated and all due to an anarchist with dementia. The GOP may as well have tried to stop the coming of summer. Seriously, how does anyone respect such impotent losers. Besides you, Tpap, that makes sense.
Covid. All the cheating in the world wouldn't have defeated Trump but for covid. Now that some Americans are experiencing the results of their stupid vote, things will be a bit different in 2022. People will be fighting each other to get to the polls to vote against these idiots. We will once again save you guys from yourselves.

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 05/12/2021 07:49 AM
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Rusty, you may have some differing views than that of most progs but regardless of which of these socialist/ Marxist/ communist ideals we are talking about, they all have the same problem. THAT SHIT DON'T SCALE. On a small scale, most of the things you guys want work just fine. Try to scale it up and it falls apart.

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 05/12/2021 08:02 AM
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Yawn...Isn't is time for you qotards to take a nap?

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 05/12/2021 08:19 AM
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I forgot about Dementia Joe sowing racial discord. Another plus for the anarchist crowd.

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 05/12/2021 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Rusty, you may have some differing views than that of most progs but regardless of which of these socialist/ Marxist/ communist ideals we are talking about, they all have the same problem. THAT SHIT DON'T SCALE. On a small scale, most of the things you guys want work just fine. Try to scale it up and it falls apart.


It scales fine if capital isn't allowed to come in and undermine it. You've been programmed since birth to think that there is no alternative to capitalism.

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 05/12/2021 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Originally posted by: Sniper

Rusty, you may have some differing views than that of most progs but regardless of which of these socialist/ Marxist/ communist ideals we are talking about, they all have the same problem. THAT SHIT DON'T SCALE. On a small scale, most of the things you guys want work just fine. Try to scale it up and it falls apart.


It scales fine if capital isn't allowed to come in and undermine it. You've been programmed since birth to think that there is no alternative to capitalism.


Not true. Capital isn't the problem. Human nature is the problem.

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 05/12/2021 09:37 AM
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Joe Biden is paying people, most of whom are not in high-risk categories, $16 per hour to sit at home and play Playstation instead of work when there are three vaccines in play. Businesses can't find people to work for less that 50%+ more than what the position is worth. The businesses either go out of business, or fork out more money to the employees, that they will keep much fewer of on staff, to keep the operation going and inflate the cost of what they sell by the amount they had to raise the employees wages. You end up with high unemployment, prices of goods go up, and the workers who are lucky enough to have one of these positions will have to do the work of what 2-4 did before. The problem is that you have prices of goods and services going up by 30-100%. Nobody's wages are going up. They just have to work the same or harder for less stuff. Way to go, Joe. You're doing great.

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“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 05/12/2021 at 10:11 AM by Sniper
 05/12/2021 10:45 AM
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Its the minimum wage crowd thats the problem. Not the millionaires paying taxes, or the Billionaires that don't pay taxes because taxes are for suckers.

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 05/12/2021 11:06 AM
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Read where you have to make something like $32,000/yr to beat what you get for free. Thus, no prog in the country is working right now.

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 05/12/2021 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Businesses can't find people to work for less that 50%+ more than what the position is worth.



You're the free market guy, right? Since when does the buyer of a service get to decide what the service is worth and then basically demand that a provider accept that price?

If no one will take a job at X wage, then you're going to have to pay a higher wage. I don't make the rules.

But one thing that I want all you guys to pay attention to. That's the fact that capital will actively campaign to prevent workers from accessing healthcare and material benefits because it might tend to make those workers elect not to perform low wage labor.

It's call the "reserve army of the unemployed" and they are key component to the exploitative nature of capitalism.



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 05/12/2021 11:41 AM
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Since when does the buyer of a service get to decide what the service is worth and then basically demand that a provider accept that price?
Has always been that way. I cannot tell you how many times I have felt that something was too expensive and did not buy it.

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Since when does the buyer of a service get to decide what the service is worth and then basically demand that a provider accept that price?

Has always been that way. I cannot tell you how many times I have felt that something was too expensive and did not buy it.


You elected to not buy it, not demand the seller reduce the price.

What capital is saying is that if these people aren't afraid of becoming homeless or food insecure, it's far harder to force them to work for poverty wages.

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 05/12/2021 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Originally posted by: tpapablo
Since when does the buyer of a service get to decide what the service is worth and then basically demand that a provider accept that price?
Has always been that way. I cannot tell you how many times I have felt that something was too expensive and did not buy it.
You elected to not buy it, not demand the seller reduce the price. What capital is saying is that if these people aren't afraid of becoming homeless or food insecure, it's far harder to force them to work for poverty wages.
If a seller doesn't sell, he must lower his price or go out of business. Consumers, as a group, absolutely determine the price of things ultimately. That's why you don't see $100 loaves of bread in Publix (though we soon might if Biden keeps keeps screwing up the economy), though every bread maker in existence would like to sell it for that.

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 05/12/2021 12:17 PM
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If a buyer of labor is unwilling to pay a wage fair enough to attract a seller, he must raise the wage or go out of business. If someone walks in your office and asks for a legal service, but tells you he only think's it's worth 75% of your normal fee, do you acquiesce to the "absolute determination" of the consumer?

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 05/13/2021 07:10 AM
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That's the fact that capital will actively campaign to prevent workers from accessing healthcare and material benefits because it might tend to make those workers elect not to perform low wage labor...

That does not sound logical, that sounds backward
Capital uses medical benefits and health care to attract people into working for them.
I know people who are near retirement who accept a lower pay/ lower hour job that fits their lifestyle Just because the job offers medical and healthcare benefits.

Capital says we have a pot of employment money, it is divide up between salary, retirement and medical..
But Capital never says we want to cut health benefits to keep your pay low??


If someone walks in your office and asks for a legal service, but tells you he only think's it's worth 75% of your normal fee, do you acquiesce to the "absolute determination" of the consumer?
Only if you want to settle for that amount of money, they are free to go to cut-rate-Joes-Legal services right down the street if you don't accept their offered amount

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Edited: 05/13/2021 at 07:12 AM by somebodyelse
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