But yes, we do contribute to climate and environmental change but, , , , , even if we were not here, the climate would still get warm and then cold, rinse, repeat, , , , ,



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Well that's exactly what it did before there were humans. So, I'd have to say that is correct. So the question is, do these other forces that have warmed and cooled the planet multiple times overwhelm any contribution that we make. Don't think that has been determined.

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But, then again, the Sun will very soon have a routine Nova and, , , , , that's it folks ! We can only pray that we have cleaned the Earth up, , , , , , , before its surface gets instantly converted to atom ash.

Or, , , , , the Pole Shift, , , , ,!

Take your pick

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Edited: 01/27/2023 at 10:07 AM by dingpatch

Giant Comet '24

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"For at least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice, and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf or religious and political idols." - Aldous Huxley

End times. It's the new conservatism.

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You guys are right- all those cars, trucks planes and machinery aren't emitting anything.

You should prove it to us by sitting in your closed garage while your car runs for an hour

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You know what I never click on anything titled "they are lying to us"

almost always bullshit.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

"So the question is, do these other forces that have warmed and cooled the planet multiple times overwhelm any contribution that we make. Don't think that has been determined."

Yes it has. Understanding the differences in the relative time scales involved is key.

"they" are not These folks.
It's all there.

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malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 01/27/2023 at 01:33 PM by WG

That's like saying everyone dies to justify killing someone.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Liar!

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 01/27/2023 at 05:20 PM by WG

Yep. Why do those "they are lying to us" folks always leave out things like time scales when talking about paleo climate?

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Humans are not to blame for global warming......

True story!

Like real fish said, where does it all go? Billions of people emitting tons of gasses in a closed system. From inside out anyway.

Does all this crap do nothing?





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Edited: 01/28/2023 at 10:39 AM by Fish Killer

How many PHD's are participating in this thread? LOFL

That's a bare minimum to be taken seriously

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Time scales fishboy

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Mom.. MOM

MOM!!!!

I DON'T CARE IF LUNCH IS READY.. I'M TRYING TO FILM A YOUTUBE VIDEO HERE!!

GEESH I gotta get a lock for the basement door...



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Wait, you're saying not all of these guys have their Ph.D.? Now this is starting to make sense...

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Ya, the time scale thingy is two-edged, , , , ,

On the bigger edge is the fact that we think we know enough to think we know enough about Long Term climate changes. But, lots of "on the street" folks like us don't know much about it at all and otherwise don't pick up on all of the little dramas and such. Back in the last century we were taught about geographic changes in terms of strict Gradualism; "hundreds of thousands of years" and "millions of years", and such. Our 20th century education "stunts" our ability to grasp many recent findings, even if we become aware of them at all! The Greenland ice cores are a big example. A lot of the cores had been drawn some years ago but, the in-depth analysis and data collection is pretty recent. Some years ago I read a science oriented article that talked about the cores showing that there had been "dramatic" climate changes in as little as 50-70 years. But now, with all the refinements in measuring capabilities and such they know that the time frames are much, much, shorter than previously estimated. One temperature increase during The Younger Dryas period was as much as 18 F, in as little as 5 years!! Back in 1990 your response would have been: "You've got to be joking, that can't be, it's impossible, , ,". But now it's: "What The F!!". And on, , , , , , ,

Humanity is the other edge. We are being challenged by a lot that we do not yet fully understand. We've got a pretty good grip on lots of it but, we have a big problem dealing with our "desires" versus reality. It's hard for us to accept/adapt the current climate changes, regardless of what the current-versus-historical might show us. The time frame of our human wants/needs/hopes/musts/can't and such is much too short to deal with much, if any, climate and/or geologic changes. The increase in the current rate of temperature increase is certainly of concern but, we must accept that in "geologic time frames" the Earth's temperature has increased every day since the end of the last Ice Age and, at that, we should expect it to continue to rise. For sure, we need to do what we can do to decrease the rate of increase but, at the same time and perhaps more importantly, we need to plan for how we as a civilization need to deal with continually rising temperatures and seas.

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