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Topic Title: How far would republicans go to win an election?
Topic Summary: They would stall the release of hostages.
Created On: 03/19/2023 01:03 PM
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 03/19/2023 01:03 PM
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johnnyboy

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http://nymag.com/intelligencer...n-hostage-crisis.html
>> A former Texas lawmaker, compelled by the news of President Jimmy Carter entering hospice care, has come forward to reveal that there was, in fact, a secret GOP effort in 1980 to prevent Iran from releasing more than 50 Americans hostages until after that year's presidential election.

Former Texas Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes, 85, has told the New York Times that in the summer of 1980, he accompanied his mentor and one-time business partner, former Texas governor John Connally, on a trip to the Middle East during which Connally asked Arab leaders to communicate to Iranian officials that they should not release the hostages before Election Day because if they waited, Ronald Reagan would offer them a better deal. (Connally, at that point a former Democrat, is also known for being the other person seriously wounded during the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963.)...<<



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 03/19/2023 02:40 PM
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Fish Killer

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Political party: Democratic.

A demoshit that lies.

The two words are today...synonymous.

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 03/19/2023 07:44 PM
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3rdworldlover

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George Bush was a key player in that deal.
 03/20/2023 04:35 AM
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RustyTruck

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The fact that no one has ever been held accountable for this is a shit stain in us history.



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 03/20/2023 05:26 AM
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Fish Killer

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Former Texas Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes:

Political party: Democratic.

A democrat that lies.

Those two words are today (Democrat and lie).....are synonymous.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 03/20/2023 06:09 AM
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Cole

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A traitor to the party for more power. How so very Republican of him.

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 03/20/2023 06:22 AM
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RustyTruck

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Lindsay Graham and Mike Pence would suck every dick in the room to get a pug elected.



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 03/20/2023 06:24 AM
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Thought this was real old news......

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 03/20/2023 06:26 AM
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tpapablo

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Ha. The pro-slavers are outraged about the past? Rich.

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 03/20/2023 06:31 AM
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Cole

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Another pro slaver that converted to the Republican party. He did it ten years later, but change he did. All hail the new Dixiecrat failure! WOOT!

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 03/20/2023 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole Another pro slaver that converted to the Republican party. He did it ten years later, but change he did. All hail the new Dixiecrat failure! WOOT!
Your party voted and fought a war to retain slavery. Whatever the Republicans did or did not do re Iran pales by comparison, doesn't it?

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 03/20/2023 08:05 AM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: Cole

Another pro slaver that converted to the Republican party. He did it ten years later, but change he did. All hail the new Dixiecrat failure! WOOT!


Your party voted and fought a war to retain slavery. Whatever the Republicans did or did not do re Iran pales by comparison, doesn't it?


Your stance is laughable, considering they switched parties after pro Black legislation was passed in the 60's. The parties reverted. How can you not understand such a simple concept?

Issues like this are the reason Republicans don't want actual history to be taught in school.



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Edited: 03/20/2023 at 08:08 AM by Cole
 03/20/2023 08:47 AM
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Fish Killer

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Former Texas Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes:

Political party: Democratic.

A democrat that lies.

Those two words are today (Democrat and lie).....are synonymous.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 03/20/2023 12:33 PM
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johnnyboy

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Yes Pence and graham would do that, but in fairness to Pence, he wouldn't enjoy it like Lindsay so it would be (or was) more of a sacrifice for him.

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 03/20/2023 01:15 PM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: Cole

Another pro slaver that converted to the Republican party. He did it ten years later, but change he did. All hail the new Dixiecrat failure! WOOT!


Your party voted and fought a war to retain slavery. Whatever the Republicans did or did not do re Iran pales by comparison, doesn't it?


Didn't you say the other day that your family fought in that war to maintain the institution of slavery?

I'm not suggesting you should be held accountable for their crimes, but I wouldn't go around talking smack toward those of us whose ancestors settled that little disagreement.

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Edited: 03/20/2023 at 01:16 PM by RustyTruck
 03/21/2023 06:14 AM
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Cole

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My paternal side were mariners who employed Blacks on their boats in the time of Bondage.

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 03/21/2023 06:45 AM
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Fish Killer

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Former Texas Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes:

Political party: Democratic.

A democrat that lies.

Those two words are today (Democrat and lie).....are synonymous.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 03/21/2023 06:51 AM
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tpapablo

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I still marvel over the audacity of the pro-slavers complaining about the other party's past deeds. Cole, your relatives shipped slaves to the colonies? Well, at least you get your pro-slavery views honestly. I can imagine that you were mesmerized by the family tales gloriying the whipping of the slaves starving and in chains in the hold.

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 03/21/2023 07:47 AM
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Pagerow

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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: tpapablo

Derp, derp?


How can you not understand such a simple concept?


[Psst... Hey Cole, consider the source...]

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 03/21/2023 07:53 AM
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RustyTruck

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The GOP literally negotiated with an overt enemy to KEEP Americans held hostage until they could install their guy to take credit for their release.

I remember the speech Reagan gave, even then there was no way it was a coincidence.

Butter emails, hunter's laptop, blah, blah, blah. The GOP and it's collaborators can fuck off.

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